range or damage/line for end game bosses?
Hey guys, im looking at funding a xenon, its always been a fun class to me, but im really all about the end game bossing experience now!
Im wondering what kind of range it takes to be able to solo; hellux, empress, first 3 CRA bosses, and hard magnus? or damage/line it takes you
also what kind of %stat/total of each stats and %atk you have to get you to said range would be GREATLY appreciated!
Atm i have about 11k luk, and 2500 of each other stat. I could sell my claw to easily fund scrolling a terminus whipblade, but whats the %difference in dps im looking at? I remember reading something like 7% per atk speed increase.
also does speed go into negatives, or does it cap at 0?
Thanks in advance!
February 10, 2015
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[quote=daringwaffle]jeez that really is much higher lol
yeah i dunno I've always found xenon to be really fun, NW is alright but definitely not my favourite haha. right now i can solo all 3 cra bosses, emp, hellux, hard magnus with 1.5ish mill clean, and only 193% boss. i do have 90% ignore which helps but dam thats a huge difference! I assume buffs help xenons buffed range much much more than NW, as All we have is literally maple warrior lmao
Ill probably end up getting fafnir if i do, simply because its so much cheaper, and available finished. I doubt ill be capping anytime soon, especially if i keep changing my main every couple months lmfao[/quote]
Yeah, Aeraxis is right here. Xenons just don't do well at high funding levels. I mean, of course you can, but you need to put in a lot more funding than you would for a NW.
His Hard Magnus damage assumes you have a binder or insane control. Having 6 important buffs and losing your energy every time you rez means you'll be operating at 60% of your maximum dps most of the time. Then you're stuck with Beam Dance if you don't feel like dying, since in stage 4 using Snipe = praying a meteor of death doesn't fall onto you during the delay, so you're down to 40% dps.
Xenons also have no significant burst damage skills. That means the Gollux gem will be just Snipe+field to handle the mobs. I agree with 40+ M primary lines, though you can push it a little lower if you use a speed rune right before and have good hypogram placement timing+knowledge of when to stop using it.
On the matter of Terminus vs Fafnir, it depends on which regime your endgame funding falls into.
Below 2 M range the 30% boss from the Fafnir is too important to ignore.
2 M-7 M (When 10% dps from faster snipes > 30% boss from Fafnir set) You want Terminus for the +1 att speed, or you can use Fafnir if you manage to luck into a +1 att speed IA line, since +1 AS IA, green potion, and dSI will hard cap your attack speed with Snipe even when using a Fafnir. I would normally prefer to have % buff duration on my IA though.
7M+ (30 M+ BD on CVellum) You want Fafnir, since Beam Dance will be outdamaging snipe and it isn't affected by attack speed.
@iEvanMaster: he does have like 300% boss which helps immensly. still tho thats 10m/4 2.5m/400k 625%dmg a line / 1.5(crit dmg) =400%skill dmg ish. thats not so far fetched in theory with enough PDR
@daringwaffle:
Yeah, I was pretty surprised too; especially since I didn't think it was possible at all to hit 10m lines with a 400k range on any class even if you ignored elemental resist but apparently the evidence says otherwise...
@iEvanMaster: yeah you're probably right. I really want to fund a secondary character, definitely not as quickly or as much as my nightwalker, but i just cant decide what :@
maybe ill just go Dawn warrior since I have a good secondary already, and according to youtube, they boss like nobody's business! 400k range clean to solo hard mag? thats insane! even if i only have 200% boss on it and 80% pdr thats like 600k range clean to kill it. That is if I had great control of course
@daringwaffle: High range=/= high dps, unfortunately for xenons
Their range is inflated sky high due to their passive 40% total damage from multilateral and their damage formula which uses three main stats, but their subpar hits per second and lack of damage multipliers negate that advantange. They have no multiplying damage boosts like hero drk or phantom, %total damage can only get you so far...
But yeah, if you enjoy the class and want to secondary main it, go for it. I'd highly advise against selling off your NW's gear to fund xenon though unless you [b]REALLY[/b] like the class and don't mind pretty much losing 50-66% of your dps.
[quote=iEvanMaster]Empress: Depends how good you are at not dying honestly. It's possible to finish with 20m's.
Hellux: 40m per line minimum on ALL hits and level 210 to kill the gem in time in a solo run.
CRA:
Von Bon: 20-25m if you know what you're doing.
Same goes for Queen.
Pierre, 25m as well to be safe, though you could get away with a bit less with good hat colors and control.
Hard Magnus: 35m per line was when I first started soloing, though this was way back then when his yellow clones were glitched to instant KO before they even appeared, so right now I'd say 25m with excellent control is the minimum. 30m+ to be on the safe side.
Oops. You asked about range, not raw damage... but I'll leave the above there.
All the following numbers assume a decent amount of %boss and pdr, i.e. 250%+ and 80%+ respectively.
For all three CRA and Empress, you'll need 1.7-2.5m range.
Hell Gollux, I remember I first solo'ed him when I hit 4.5m clean. Hard Magnus should be in the 3mil ranges... though I can't help but feel something is off.
As for the Terminus question... post revamp, it'll be a 10% boost in hits per second assuming you use decent si and a green mpe potion. Take in mind the 30% loss in boss damage though, if you don't cap without it then the boost will probably be about 4%* (and that's assuming you have 500% boss/%total).
*Not counting the 41 atk advantage a Terminus has over a fafnir.
Though I don't know why you'd change from a NW to Xenon if endgame bossing is what you like to do, Xenon's buff helps a lot but even so switching over is pretty much a massive downgrade...
I hope I helped.
I would link you to a spreadsheet someone on SP made that allows xenons to calc their range by inputting their equips/stats... but unfortunately I can't find it atm. If you're still interested, I guess you can pm me and I'll perhaps give it to you via skype or something?[/quote]
jeez that really is much higher lol
yeah i dunno I've always found xenon to be really fun, NW is alright but definitely not my favourite haha. right now i can solo all 3 cra bosses, emp, hellux, hard magnus with 1.5ish mill clean, and only 193% boss. i do have 90% ignore which helps but dam thats a huge difference! I assume buffs help xenons buffed range much much more than NW, as All we have is literally maple warrior lmao
Ill probably end up getting fafnir if i do, simply because its so much cheaper, and available finished. I doubt ill be capping anytime soon, especially if i keep changing my main every couple months lmfao
Empress: Depends how good you are at not dying honestly. It's possible to finish with 20m's.
Hellux: 40m per line minimum on ALL hits and level 210 to kill the gem in time in a solo run.
CRA:
Von Bon: 20-25m if you know what you're doing.
Same goes for Queen.
Pierre, 25m as well to be safe, though you could get away with a bit less with good hat colors and control.
Hard Magnus: 35m per line was when I first started soloing, though this was way back then when his yellow clones were glitched to instant KO before they even appeared, so right now I'd say 25m with excellent control is the minimum. 30m+ to be on the safe side.
Oops. You asked about range, not raw damage... but I'll leave the above there.
All the following numbers assume a decent amount of %boss and pdr, i.e. 250%+ and 80%+ respectively.
For all three CRA and Empress, you'll need 1.7-2.5m range.
Hell Gollux, I remember I first solo'ed him when I hit 4.5m clean. Hard Magnus should be in the 3mil ranges... though I can't help but feel something is off.
As for the Terminus question... post revamp, it'll be a 10% boost in hits per second assuming you use decent si and a green mpe potion. Take in mind the 30% loss in boss damage though, if you don't cap without it then the boost will probably be about 4%* (and that's assuming you have 500% boss/%total).
*Not counting the 41 atk advantage a Terminus has over a fafnir.
Though I don't know why you'd change from a NW to Xenon if endgame bossing is what you like to do, Xenon's buff helps a lot but even so switching over is pretty much a massive downgrade...
I hope I helped.
I would link you to a spreadsheet someone on SP made that allows xenons to calc their range by inputting their equips/stats... but unfortunately I can't find it atm. If you're still interested, I guess you can pm me and I'll perhaps give it to you via skype or something?
Speed has a hard cap at 0, you can't break it