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[quote=2kawaii4u]Hello, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZBlJJOOssc]Alex Day[/url].

People like OP. Fat-shaming anime elitist? perfect husbando, ladies! Cosplayers aren't cosplaying for your pleasure, dumbass. Mind your own business and let them be.[/quote]

Fat person detected.

@6ppl3m6g3:

Well I think being exposed to the medium and watching more titles educates you more.

I don't try to shame others. It's fine if they like popular Shonen. They can love it all they want. But when they claim that their Shonen is the best with barely any experience on the tropes and cliches that anime has to offer, their opinion is not that credible. There's a difference between an ignorant opinion and an educated opinion. They can love the show with all of it's flaws, because they are [i]aware[/i] of its flaws. EDIT: I believe I already addressed this in a previous post of mine.

I don't have the power to tell people what not to do. People are still going to do it. But that's not going to change the fact that I dislike it.

EDIT:
I can see that a lot of people agree with me here and I don't see it fair to call them elitists too.

When people bash you for your opinion on an anime. Also, people who only saw like 1-3 anime titles act like anime know it alls, so I can kind of see where OP is coming from on #2.

People who defend the shortcomings of an anime adaptation by proclaiming that you need to read the manga/light novel...

[quote=Darkness129]@6ppl3m6g3:

But aren't [i]you[/i] judging me right now?

I didn't know that watching more than 20 anime makes you an elitist now a days.

Edit: Or are you defending these people who think Popular shonen is good...?
I'm not following the reason of your accusation.[/quote]

You are an elitist because you think meeting your arbitrary standard of watching an irrelevant number of titles somehow makes your opinion on what's good and bad more credible than others'. You are an elitist because you try to shame others who like popular titles and not your "super credible" self-proclaimed "actual good anime". You are judgmental because you think you have the right to tell others who and who they can't dress up as based on their physique. You are judgmental because you say people shouldn't cosplay if they're not "doing it right"; your judgmental ass thinks if it looks like they "whipped up the damn cosplay the night before" they can't wear it for fun.

No accusations or judgments were made. Everything stated was in your original post.

[quote=2kawaii4u]Hello, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZBlJJOOssc]Alex Day[/url].

People like OP. Fat-shaming anime elitist? perfect husbando, ladies! Cosplayers aren't cosplaying for your pleasure, dumbass. Mind your own business and let them be.[/quote]

Calm the hostility.
Why can't you be more civil like @Above?

@cupofcoffee

That's fine. It's not really bad per se, it's just that I dislike seeing people like that. I know that people aren't going to stop just because I said so. You're entitled to your own opinion I guess. Not going to put you down for it.

Don't care too much for people who are obsessed with anime, but squealing (especially 'kya') really gets to me. Tacking on honorifics when you're not studying the language is also pretty annoying - unless you're using it as a joke. Oh, and people who claim to "speak the language" after watching a few series.

Also, OP, I'm going to have to disagree with you on your comment about cosplay - it's offensive. I think the person in your image does a wonderful job, regardless of the fact that her body type may not match who she's trying to convey. As corny as this sounds, I admire the fact that she at least she has the confidence to cosplay, especially in really revealing clothing. If anything, I'd be supportive of these type of cosplayers.

lol those boyxboy fangirls. I understand if thats your thing but don't be so insistent that a boyxboy couple you made are canon when they're not.

Hello, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZBlJJOOssc]Alex Day[/url].

People like OP. Fat-shaming anime elitist? perfect husbando, ladies! Cosplayers aren't cosplaying for your pleasure, dumbass. Mind your own business and let them be.

One thing that pisses me off is how obssesed people would get. I watch them to enjoy it, but the fans always ruin it , like for example I hate the people who do (Whatever character x Whatever character) in like a shounen anime. It just annoys me for some reason.

@6ppl3m6g3:

But aren't [i]you[/i] judging me right now?

I didn't know that watching more than 20 anime makes you an elitist now a days.

Edit: Or are you defending these people who think Popular shonen is good...?
I'm not following the reason of your accusation.

Too passionate and vocal about their anime; which is true for any fandom out there, but I find it so much more prevalent in the anime community. The really fervent individuals put their favorite anime on some kind of pedestal and condemn all others to hell.

Or how all those references to particularly obscure animes that look like they can come from anything, on games that have nothing to do with anime (Like Warframe). What really annoys me is when they push that reference as some kind of intended nod from the developers, despite it clearly being a reference to a far more popular/mainstream thing and not that random run-of-the-mill anime.

Legitimate weebs.

[b]Edit[/b]:
Not sure if @Luapxal344 just wanted list views or--
In any case, looking at your list: are your ratings supposed to be objective or based purely on enjoyment? I ask because the amount of 10s you have is a bit on the high side.. in my opinion, at least.

Yes, I know what he says, you just put it in a weird reply.

[quote=HolyBloodly]but the ones it has can be easily overlooked.[/quote]

Not on my watch.

@Plenair: This is not the topic to go into a lengthy discussion on it, but yes. I do believe that it is a "good" series. It has flaws, but the ones it has can be easily overlooked.

@Plenair: SAO has huge issues obviously. Massive plot holes. There is no logic or drama is SAO, but I couldn't care less. It fulfills all the "epic moments" quota that I need this season, with Kirito being as OP as ever. And Sinon's legs.

Akame ga Kill is my favorite series this season by miles. But if you checked what I think is the "best" so far this season, it's not in my top three. I do believe it to be a very good series though. Not only do I believe it will gain a cult following, but that it will be viewed as the standard for shounen action for quite some time. It possesses everything shounen fans desire: Nonstop action, quality fanservice and good comedic moments between the action. And all the upcoming death(s) gives seinen fans something to be happy about as well.

[quote=Darkness129]@6ppl3m6g3
I think you missed the whole point of the thread there bud.

It's what 'I' dislike about the fandom. Just because I dislike it, doesn't mean that I'll expect it to magically change.[/quote]

I understand the point of the thread. What 'I' dislike about the fandom are judgemental egocentric "anime elitist" people like you within the fandom. Just because I dislike you, doesn't mean that I'll expect you to magically change.

Oh... so with all my posting, I never actually addressed the topic at hand.

My biggest issue is people not understanding the difference between liking a bad series, and thinking a bad series is good.

I like a lot of "bad" series. But I know that they are bad. K-On is a great example. I thought it was a good waste of time. But I also know that it was a horrendous series. And vise-versa as well. I dislike some series that I will acknowledge are actually really good series, but they aren't my cup of tea. There are too many anime watchers who aren't capable of that. And it really grinds my gears.

And to those who are too lazy to create a MAL (or A-P or w/e else)... just do it. It doesn't take THAT long to do. Work on it over a couple of weekends or something. It's worth it. It's interesting to see what others think of a particular series with just a number.

[quote=fradddd]@djmaxaaron: yeah. But did you comprehend the thread title?[/quote]

I wanted to talk with you anyway

@djmaxaaron: yeah. But did you comprehend the thread title?

@6ppl3m6g3
@Deciduous
I think you missed the whole point of the thread there bud.

It's what 'I' dislike about the fandom. Just because I dislike it, doesn't mean that I'll expect it to magically change.

@Cloudshadowv

Human advancement is based on conflict. As I said previously, liking a show does not make the show good. Disliking a show doesn't make it bad either.

Another form of entertainment is books. The purpose of book discussions is to get opinions out there and receive feedback so why can't anime be the same thing?

Of course there comes a point where criticism turns into bashing/hating and then it turns bad.

And no, unless you praise mainstream anime that isn't amazing as a masterpiece, nobody is going to have a problem with you.

EDIT: If you would like to hear my thought's on the topic of criticism/bashing and quality of anime, feel free to read my earlier posts.

@Luapxal344
You have To Love Ru and Highschool Of the Dead as 10s? That's a first o.o

I see that you dropped Samurai Champloo. Aww. Oh well, you have your reasons.

I would make a list but I have the same problem as Plenair

[quote=Plenair]@ShiraokaJinja: "O god, anime topics are the new religion topic." Implying there's a lot of anime topics. He says this while in the anime section.[/quote]

I wanna see ur list. I just updated my list and it has at least 90% of anime/H that I have watched. http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Luapxal
I didn't start religiously watching anime until I was 18.

[quote=Plenair]Anime topics in the anime section, egad .[/quote]
Um, ok? I was just saying that there's more rants here than what I've seen in religion threads.

[quote=Plenair]Anime topics in the anime section, egad .[/quote]

I've always thought you talk in a confusing manner. Will you explain please, @plenair?
Sarcasm and satire don't travel well through web posts, I've heard.

OT:
-Bad cosplay is bad.
-People who bash others (opinions can be respected)
-People who stereotype and generalize too much without logical reasons.
-Trolls, just don't feed them

O god, anime topics are the new religion topic.

I dislike people like the OP who think people can't have opinions without meeting his arbitrary standards.

I also dislike people like the OP who thinks people shouldn't cosplay because it doesn't "look right" to him.

The world doesn't revolve around you buddy. People will like what they want and dress up the way they want. Nobody's trying to impress you.

I hate people who ONLY watch anime and think as long as it's anime then it's good. I find most animes repetitive and boring.

Well for starters, I'm blown away by this cosplay bs being spouted. Don't care to read the thread but I certainly hope ppl aren't as ridiculous as TS when it comes to cosplay. Obviously there aren't any actual limitations put on cosplayers, but damn if you're going to police other ppl's fun bc you think they're too fat or too tall/short, or maybe even the "wrong" race or sex.

I'm not sure how to really express my dislike of the whole anime quality discussion. Anime is fun, it should be fun, ppl should be able to have fun with it! I think the issue comes bc there's a consistent overlap between fun and criticism/analysis/active viewing. Being critical and conscious about what you consume is very different from hate or trying to crush fun. There are definitely extremes to criticism, but more often than not I feel like people who enjoy shows need to realize the previous point (crit =/= hate). Debatable whether it's even worth it to engage in the quality discussion, but I feel like anime is real media and crit is easy/should be expected. Especially with over half a century of anime out there and more being added, it's worthwhile to understand what's good or bad, why, and when enjoyment intersects with objective/critical quality.

I don't "hate" it, per se, but a lot of the "new" anime fans out there always reccomend current anime and completely forget the real classics.

[quote=Cloudshadowv]People take Anime too seriously. It's all shows meant for entertainment. No need to over think things or criticize other people who enjoy the mainstream stuff. Watch what you enjoy, let them do the same, and keep your nose out of their business.

Oh and before someone calls me out, yes I do watch a lot of mainstream anime. Got a problem with it?[/quote]

This.

People that bash on other people's opinion on animes.

People take Anime too seriously. It's all shows meant for entertainment. No need to over think things or criticize other people who enjoy the mainstream stuff. Watch what you enjoy, let them do the same, and keep your nose out of their business.

Oh and before someone calls me out, yes I do watch a lot of mainstream anime. Got a problem with it?

[quote=fradddd]I hate everything about it. People are so obsessed about it but it is not that great. And it creeps me out, Mainstream anime sucks and so does your hipster crap.[/quote]

Maybe not to you, but a lot of people really do love anime. It may creep you out but whose to say what you do doesn't creep someone else out. Mainstream, hipster, these labels shouldn't stop someone from enjoying a specific anime rather than the other. If YOU the viewer likes the anime, then there's nothing else to it.

[quote=fradddd]I hate everything about it. People are so obsessed about it but it is not that great. And it creeps me out, Mainstream anime sucks and so does your hipster crap.[/quote]

wow you're so cool, I wish I was as cool as you.

I'm not particularly interested in those that take the whole thing too far; those that only watch certain titles primarily to ogle at a character or a set of characters (harem/reverse, yuri, etc.) and enjoy Jpop and Kpop (I'm still a bit confused as to why some people like listening to stuff in languages they don't understand outside of enjoying the beat, but then again there must be similar stuff in languages they [i]do[/i] understand with similarities >_> ) then talk about it wherever they go in the company of friends*

As for the whole "is the anime [i]actually[/i] good or not argument," I tend to just like anime titles that I've enjoyed, whether it is because it has an interesting plot and characters or concept (with good execution), or even if it's some of the cookie cutter series in each season (you know, the random romance/comedy harem series or action series and the like), because those titles are easy to digest since there's usually not much thinking that goes into watching it, so it's easy to sort of just "turn off" and let the series nudge you towards the super-predictable ending because it's still a relatively enjoyable title, even if it's not a "[b]good[/b]" series. Sometimes a series might be rated somewhat poorly or looked down upon by the vocal community but is still a neat series to watch in the company of friends (or even something random to talk about while watching over a few beers ), just like how the same group of people would sit down together for a few rounds of gaming over Skype, maybe some board games or RPGs, movies, etc.

But I suppose that also makes me one of those "I like it" folk, even though I (should, or that's the impression of some people I know) know better and explain why :x

* I have a friend who's just like that (with included inserted "souka" or "senpai" and the like in her normal dialogue), except she doesn't like Japanese food in general; outside of a few dishes (to the point that her sushi pretty much needs cream cheese in it lol), or tea

EDIT
[b]errmaigaud all the run-on sentences[/b] >_> lol

People who only talk or make references of a single anime.

@crazypoorer

Umm. I don't know what you mean :c

[quote=Darkness129]@HolyBloodly:
If people claim Bebop is the best despite only have seen a dozen or so anime, that's fine. It's generally agreed upon that Bebop is one of the best.

Their opinion isn't as credible as say, someone who has seen a couple hundred anime, have a general sense of criticism and knows what makes a show good

People need to know the difference between liking a show and saying it's good. You can love a show all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the show is bad and likewise. If the show is good, it doesn't necessarily mean that you like it.

I know people who love shows, flaws and all and I also know people who love shows but can still criticize it properly.

EDIT: @Novagnome24
You hit the head on the nail. Especially at the end of Case A.[/quote]

Why the fxck aren't you posting in anime threads instead of the typical Naruto/SAO/AoT/CodeGeass poster?

[quote=Darkness129]@HolyBloodly:
If people claim Bebop is the best despite only have seen a dozen or so anime, that's fine. It's generally agreed upon that Bebop is one of the best.

Their opinion isn't as credible as say, someone who has seen a couple hundred anime, have a general sense of criticism and knows what makes a show good

People need to know the difference between liking a show and saying it's good. You can love a show all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the show is bad and likewise. If the show is good, it doesn't necessarily mean that you like it.

I know people who love shows, flaws and all and I also know people who love shows but can still criticize it properly.[/quote]

Quoting the entire post, because it's all perfectly spot-on. 100% agree with all of it.

Extreme fangirls
Fangirls+Weeaboos
Weeaboos
and people who try to act like a cool anime char, when they are not

@HolyBloodly:
If people claim Bebop is the best despite only have seen a dozen or so anime, that's fine. It's generally agreed upon that Bebop is one of the best.

Their opinion isn't as credible as say, someone who has seen a couple hundred anime, have a general sense of criticism and knows what makes a show good

People need to know the difference between liking a show and saying it's good. You can love a show all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the show is bad and likewise. If the show is good, it doesn't necessarily mean that you like it.

I know people who love shows, flaws and all and I also know people who love shows but can still criticize it properly.

EDIT: @Novagnome24
You hit the head on the nail. Especially at the end of Case A.

[b]Case A[/b]
[i]Anime has been announced, but has not yet started airing[/i]
>"You know guys, I'm looking at the summary, and honestly, I don't think that this show is going to be very good..."
>"But how can you even say that? It hasn't even started yet, and you're already calling it bad?"

[i]Anime is currently airing[/i]
>"Okay guys, I've watched like four episodes of this show, and so far it has gone absolutely nowhere. I think that it's pretty bad so far."
>"But don't you think that it's a little too early to judge it now? Don't you think you should wait until it's over to criticize it?"

[i]Anime has finished airing[/i]
>"So I finished this show, and I think that it was bad; the characters were all boring, and the slapstick comedy ruined any serious moments they had."
>"Well if you didn't like it then why the hell did you watch it? You're probably only bashing on it because it's popular; go be negative somewhere else. Bad taste detected."

[b]Case B[/b]
[i]Anime has been announced, but has not yet started airing[/i]
>"Hey guys check out this show! Look at its premise, it's gonna be awesome!"
>"This looks really promising; I can't wait to watch it!"

[i]Anime is currently airing[/i]
>"Did you guys see the latest episode? AOTS right here."
>"That was awesome, can't believe he killed that huge monster in just one hit! Also, ([b]Kuudere [/b])-chan is mai waifu."

[i]Anime has finished airing[/i]
>"That last episode tho. 10/10"
>"Haha yeah; I hope it gets a second season!"

I hate everything about it. People are so obsessed about it but it is not that great. And it creeps me out, Mainstream anime sucks and so does your hipster crap.

[quote=TeenyRikku]People who watch anime and use these words:
-senpai
-waifu
-kawaii desu^5

I could give more examples but I'm gonna stop here
It's one thing to like anime, and it's another thing when you start talking like that. I cringe every time I see someone online talking like that.[/quote]

I agree with kawaii desu and senpai, because those are just stupid. I'm fine with waifu, probably because I don't see it very often to the point that it annoys me.

If someone has seen < 35 anime I don't accept them as a critic, they don't understand some of the things that are fundamentally wrong with a lot of anime that rears its head in again and again, especially in seasonal shows.

[quote=TeenyRikku]People who watch anime and use these words:
-senpai
-waifu
-kawaii desu^5

I could give more examples but I'm gonna stop here
It's one thing to like anime, and it's another thing when you start talking like that. I cringe every time I see someone online talking like that.[/quote]

I use it sarcastically online to piss people off like you, senpai!

OT: Super over-hyped anime and the people that watch it irritate me so much. Like, if you speak of a flaw in the anime, the fanboys will come bashing at you. Not every anime is perfect, brah.

@Darkness129: I had Titan in my top 3 for AOTY. I thought it was fantastic. I've been a follower of the manga since it started getting published. It's exactly what I'm looking for in anime. Cowboy Bebop has one of the largest fanbases out there (29th on MAL)... yet I have no problem with people calling it the greatest ever. I can understand why they would say such a thing. It's not MY personal favorite, but the logic behind people believing it to be the best, is solid. Even if someone has only seen a dozen series and claims Bebop to the best ever, I can't say they are wrong. Yes, they could obviously reach outside of the typical shounen garbage and watch other things, and they should, but I can't fault them for saying series X is the best.

Yes, no doubt they might be the worst type of anime fan out there. Series is still amazing though.

The stigma of the fandom is the only thing that bothers me a little. Everything else mentioned in this thread isn't relevant to me.

@HolyBloodly:

I get what you're saying; there are good mainstream anime's out there, but I think what OP was trying to say is that there are people who only watched a few mainstream ones and praise it to be the best out there. For example Naruto, Bleach, SAO, etc. Not saying they are the worst out there but definitely not masterpieces.

[quote=HolyBloodly]I was gonna call you out on that, until I read "kids who have seen <15 titles." Yeah, I can buy that. But to say that "mainstream" anime is bad just because it's mainstream is ridiculous. It's okay to like something that is popular. Popular doesn't mean it's going to be good, but it sure doesn't mean it's going to be bad, either.[/quote]

I'm not saying they're bad. Titan is the biggest show of 2013 and the Manga sales even beat One Piece, and it's not a bad show.

It's not a masterpiece but it's not average either. It's "good".

It's the reason they're mainstream that people claim it's the best. It's the few anime that beginners start of as and that's all that they're being exposed to of the vast world of anime. I know at some point I was that kid. I got exposed to anime through Shonen. Naruto being the last straw to get me to search for more.

At some point I've though that Naruto was the best but when you actually explore the medium more, you learn that it's not as great as others make it out to be. Which is what I'm referring to in my #1. It's the people's inability to expand their horizons and search for greater shows, which leads them to claim that their shonen is the best.

It's not the shows themselves, it's their fandom.