Black Cipher Protest
Black Cipher: http://maplestory.nexon.net/News/News.aspx?boardNo=100&contentNo=00Dm9&pageIndex=1
[b]EDIT:[/b]Many think i'm only complaining [b]soley[/b] based on the lag. It's more-so the fact that we are [b]BANNED[/b] when we end the process, when there are many legitimate reasons to do so, ranging from idiocracy, to not responding errors. i do not believe that ending the process should automatically lead to a ban.
Black Cipher is the new software used to combat hacks and exploits. However, it's flawed in the sense that it massively lags [i]most[/i] people who attempt to play MS. Nexon does many things that try to combat exploits and what-not. For the most part, i support them in most of the decisions they do (including some roll-backs), however, this is a bit excessive.
While i do commend them for at least [i]attempting[/i] to take a stronger stance against hacking, this would be in the wrong direction. Recently, it seems like Nexon has been patching their own mistakes faster than usual, and getting more involved in hacking websites. However, this Black Cipher just creates a more unplayable game than it would if it wasn't there.
This is why I'm proposing a PROTEST.
But im assuming you're wondering why you should [b]listen to me?[/b]
My name is Dem and I'm 15. I've been hacked multiple times due to no reason other than my own stupidity. I've played this game since long before pirates were released. I'm guilty of using hacking programs and modified files, such as the 1.04v familiar hack. I miss old MS, LMPQ, etc. I've seen the changes from when we all used to track people to get into KPQ, to when Ecko hacked that GM (which feels like the greatest maple day ever) to the current days when everyone has 100% dmg potentials, and anyone can solo anything (which if u told me that years ago, i'd call you insane.) I don't hate Nexon. I applaud them for the attempt, but this creates an unplayable mess. The game is excessively laggy now. My maple screen goes unresponsive every few minutes. Again, this is why I'm proposing a PROTEST.
How will be go about doing this [b]Protest?[/b]
This protest would start on April 1 and end on April 5.
We post comments on Maplestory's Facebook page, We will TWEET @Maplestory, @Nexon. We will create threads on Maplestory's official website, and we will log tickets ON APRIL 5TH only if the issue Is still not addressed.
Why should [b]I get involved[/b] if I'm not directly affected?
Maybe you aren't affected [b]This time[/b], but what makes you so sure it won't affect you [b]NEXT TIME?[/b] If we don't show Nexon our disapproval or dissatisfaction THIS TIME, then maybe we won't have a chance for next time. Remember, this is supposed to be [b]Your[/] Maplestory.
Instead of playing maplestory, why don't you [b]Get A Life?[/b] instead of this ridiculous protest?
I love Maplestory, and I have no probs admitting I'm a no-life. I'm not exactly the richest person in the world, (not necessarily poor) in my 5 years of Maplestory, I've probably only spent about $50 on NX, But [i][b]I love this game.[/b][/i] i would hate for it to die. I doubt that Black Cipher will make a lot of people quit, but [b]something might[/b]
Nexon doesn't even answer tickets, [b]no way this will work.[/b]
This is far from the truth. Many people complained to Maplestory twitter about the Familiar Exploit, which is why it was removed. If enough of us unite against this, [b]It will work.[/b]
[b]Why don't you just make it [i]Lower priority?[/i][/b]
Like I said, I'm not the [i]richest[/i] and I play Maplestory on a pimp'd out calculator, and I don't believe that I'm the only one who does either.
~VerysimplyUA, Scania, Koguashu Guild~
17 Comments • Newest first
[quote=myrdrex]Seeing how you're a cheater yourself, I highly recommend your carry on with your protest indefinitely. See if you can get many other cheaters to quit as well- that would truly make for a better game.[/quote]
Right.
Yea, I've been having problems with this also so I'll join in with the protest
Seeing how you're a cheater yourself, I highly recommend your carry on with your protest indefinitely. See if you can get many other cheaters to quit as well- that would truly make for a better game.
Since basil hates me this is the 2nd time im typing all of this T.T
[b]EDIT:[/b]Idk why only gorcarebear got the reply.
@zeron8195
So i guess you don't believe in redemption or second chances? I guess you're entitled to that opinion and which is why i included that in there. I wanted you to know who i am. If that changes your opinion of me or the protest, then that's fine. I don't want to use anything deceptive in order to sway opinion like Kony 2012.
@Tagg
I love you. You're the first to make valid arguments so far.
(1) I have. i've ran Mcafee and CCleaner, as well as low prioritized Black Cipher. I still have occasional unresponsive errors on my pimp'd out calculator.
(2) Because this may lead to [i]more[/i] radical things. Black Cipher is casuing problems for many people that i have talked to, as well as it might cause problems for people that you may talk to aswell.
(3) The "something might" that i referred to was the more radical things in (2.) Example of such things is like in KMS where you need your Social Security in order to play, (or some type of identification.)
(4) The twitter tweets was the first time that they showed us that they were aware of the problem. I'm not sure if it was the deciding factor, but that seems to be the only way that they'll show us their atleast [b]aware[/b] of the problem.
(5)I think you misinterpreted what i said.
The similarities is that they [b]both made the game unplayable.[/b]
Fam hax killed everything on the map, so you couldn't.
Black Cipher lags you everywhere you go, so you risk dying and have hard time killing everything on the map.
(6.A) I can see how that is. When i first started typing this, i wanted to make it so it would connect to a wider audience of people, which is why i made the focus about the lag. I should revise it so the fact about a possible [b]BAN[/b] is clearer. Thank you
(6.B) I'm not an english teacher, and i was unsure if it was idiocy or idiocracy. i even google'd it to check and idiocracy is what came up lol.
(6.C) At the time i was typing this, it just seemed like a large majority of people was having issues. I had [b]TERRIBAD[/b] lag with NOT RESPONSIVE often reoccuring. I still have issues playing maplestory.
(6.D)I have. i've ran Mcafee and CCleaner, as well as low prioritized Black Cipher. I still have occasional unresponsive errors on my pimp'd out calculator.
Did i mention i love you?
@gorcarebear @lololZombiedogs
Welcome to the internet, ppl spel tings rong. Besides, his first language isn't english. Let's give him a break please?
@harley123
Many people, (including me) don't visit the website. We use the GAME LAUNCHER, the only way to get what nexon said is to visit their website, which i rarely do. And while i have to disagree about this being futile, i respect your opinion.
I can also understand how first saying it's about the bans, then it's about the lag, is contradictory, however i'm not exactly a speech writer. Please just try to understand the point that i'm trying to bring across.
@hirrho
Haven't had any problem with trolls, only people who express their opinion in a rather angry way....
I support you. Unfortunately, there are a Ton of trolls on this site and just plan negative rude people.
Yeh Cipher is horrible. Quote me if you also keep getting *Disconnected by the HACK reason* messages more often. I feel like I get them, solely based on spamming a skill more than 5 times in a row as an aran (combat step)
@harley123:
We only assume that the program is very helpful and is actually doing what it suppose to do.
There's no harm in trying for people to try and protest, but it can be considered a waste of time if there is no general result from the protesting.
You can't compare Black Cipher to Big Bang, not yet anyway until we truly know maple story is getting more hack free than before it was implemented.
Im glad they tried to do something to stop the hacks and exploits. Nexon said not to end process so why would you complain if people do do it? I don't see how adding this program is excessive just because a few people lag from it. I disconnect from the game randomly all the time, but it was happening way before this program was released. Firstly, you say you are protesting it because you would get banned for ending the process of the prgram, but then you say its because it is making you lag? I find the game as good as ever, awaiting each new patch eagerly as to see what they come up with to further increase the fun of the game. I really do think you are rather stupid to complain on something that affects the game in a positive way. You say that it may not effect some of us this time, but it might next time, and so we should complain about this. Do you actually know how many people have complained about patches that are larger and affect the game A LOT more then this little hackshield update? Did anything stop those updates? No. So why would nexon change this one? This proposed protest is very stupid and OBVIOUSLY this program wont make people quit. The thing that makes them most quit is the fact that they have been hacked, and so if this program stops hacks and people being able to gain access to your account info, how will it make you quit? Also, the familiar exploit was not meant to happen, hence the reason Nexon removed it. This program has been intended for this game for that exact purpose; to stop the exploits and hacks. I find this whole thing you are trying to do rather pointless and if you want to continue on your futile request of removing this program from the game, go ahead. I'm telling you now, NOTHING you do will change ANYTHING that Nexon has done to the game. It's like asking for them to remove the Big Bang Update. It's not gonna happen. >.<
@jasper2005:
I am appalled by your grammar, you should go get that checked out
OT: As of now for me, Black Cipher was causing major lag spikes for me.
I then listened to some people and set Black Cipher.aes to Low Priority.
The CPU usage went down from 99% to 45-54%, just by setting Black Cipher to low priority.
My comp has 2GB of ram and a standard graphics card.
I know I should buy a new comp with at least 4GB of ram, considering that the price of 4GB toshiba laptops are the same prices as the current laptop that I have and bought 2 years ago >_< but I have no funds as of yet.
If Black Cipher shows a great amount progress when it comes to destroying hackers, then I support it. If it doesn't, then it's just useless CPU space.
@DexNpqless [i]"However, it's flawed in the sense that it massively lagsmost people who attempt to play MS. "[/i]
I'd also like to point out that do you have any conclusive evidence that Black Cipher is the cause of the lag? That every mapler is affected? I, for one, have not noticed much new lag with the introduction of Black Cipher. You should check whether you have something wrong on your end.
[i]"But im assuming you're wondering why you should listen to me?"[/i]
The reasons you gave for why we should listen to you aren't very convincing and at times work against you. You state that you've played the game for a long period of time, but that hardly grants you any credibility. Also stating that you've hacked and that you're 15 does not add to that either. You also don't mention any technological experience, an important factor when you're making the claim that Black Cipher is the definitive cause of the lag.
[i]"Why should I get involved if I'm not directly affected?"[/i]
Maybe you aren't affected This time, but what makes you so sure it won't affect you NEXT TIME? If we don't show Nexon our disapproval or dissatisfaction THIS TIME, then maybe we won't have a chance for next time. Remember, this is supposed to be [b]Your[/] Maplestory.
Your reasoning for why I should get involved if I'm not directly affected isn't very convincing either. You'll always have a chance to voice your opinion to Nexon (unless, of course, they remove customer service which I don't foresee happening anytime soon). If I am not dissatisfied with Black Cipher, why should I stand against it?
[i]"Instead of playing maplestory, why don't you Get A Life? instead of this ridiculous protest?"[/i]
[i]I doubt that Black Cipher will make a lot of people quit, but something might"[/i]
I don't think anybody who's telling you to get a life is worth giving attention to They're here on basilmarket posting on a maplestory related site.
Anyways... you state that "I doubt that Black Cipher will make a lot of people quit, but something might". If you doubt your own claim that Black Cipher is causing this incredible lag and will cause people to quit, then why even bring it up. You also fail to say what "something" is. Shouldn't that be the focus of your protest?
Also, like I said before, you can't make the claim that Nexon removed the familiar hack BECAUSE of the twitter messages. You don't know for sure whether that was true.
[i]"How is it not close?
...
See the similarities?"[/i]
There's an enormous difference. Nexon didn't remove the familiar hack because they wanted to remove the lag. They did it because it was an exploit which allowed for people to level at an incredible pace (way higher than normal) and it got in the way of regular players training.
Overall, this is a very flawed argument and hardly something that will convince people to join you =3= It also reminds me a lot of Kony 2012.
I'd appreciate it if you read everything I had to say and thought about it.
Also, remember that [b]Correlation does not imply causation[/b]
Anyways, good luck and happy mapling.
@zeron8195 You can't say that he's not allowed to protest hackers because he has in the past. That would be a logical fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Just because he has in the past doesn't mean he isn't qualified or isn't allowed to argue against it.
@DexNpqless [i]"Many think i'm only complaining soley based on the lag. It's more-so the fact that we are BANNED when we end the process, when there are many legitimate reasons to do so, ranging from idiocracy, to not responding errors. i do not believe that ending the process should automatically lead to a ban."[/i]
A few things here.
1) Your main argument in the original post was that the protest would be against the lag that Black cipher caused. That would be why everyone is complaining solely based on the lag. If you want to focus the argument on the banning, i would revise your post.
2) It would help to use correct spelling and legitimate words when trying to establish credibility. "Soley" should be spelled "solely" and "idiocracy" isn't a word, it's a movie. (You're probably thinking of idiocy)
3) Nexon set up Black Cipher as a security tool. By ending the process, you're basically attempting to circumvent security that is stopping you from hacking which, from their point of view, would mean you're trying to hack. I would suggest lodging a ticket and encouraging other people who feel the same way to do so, but refrain from going with an all out protest against something that doesn't even affect a good portion of maplers. Maybe scout out how much of the population is actually affected by this before going with the protest idea.
4) Like I stated up there, make sure Black Cipher is the cause of your lag and try to figure out ways of reducing your lag without closing black cipher.
Just patched my MS and I'm not having any problem with Black Cipher. Not seeing any of this lag, just the typical clunky Nexon server speed.
At any rate, since you admitted to hacking, what right do you have to protest it? You are part of the reason why Nexon has to take such "drastic" steps.
And lag is not synonymous to hackers. Lag is annoying but that's it. Hackers make it impossible to play the game normally. The two are completely different.
Edit: @Tagg I was arguing from an ethical not logical standpoint. Certainly, he can bang pots and protest and make all then noise he likes but he is partially at fault and should just suck it up and deal with the consequences quietly.
Interesting link by the way. Reminds me of the current presidential election for some reason.
[quote=Tagg]You realize that the familiar hack was going for a good week while Nexon was supposedly on vacation.
Just because there were complaints on twitter doesn't mean that they removed the familiar hack because of the twitter posts. It could've been possible that they realized there was a problem earlier and had been working on a solution, or they already knew it existed and were planning on fixing it anyways.
Correlation does not imply causation o3o[/quote]
and that is a complete possibility.
@metaghost3
Unless they do something to correct the lag first, which is also a complete possibility.
You realize that the familiar hack was going for a good week while Nexon was supposedly on vacation.
Just because there were complaints on twitter doesn't mean that they removed the familiar hack because of the twitter posts. It could've been possible that they realized there was a problem earlier and had been working on a solution, or they already knew it existed and were planning on fixing it anyways.
Correlation does not imply causation o3o
[quote=ImarksmanI]Are you serious sir this is not even close to what the familiar exploit was about. Please give me a better reason because that was too easy.[/quote]
How is it not close?
Many people have many problems of training due to the excessive amount of lag that is applied to the game.
Many people had many problems of training due to the excessive amount of familiars slaughtering every map.
See the similarities?
[quote=metaghost3]I lag after every patch, but it doesn't take long for my computer to run smoother or else Nexon would have a patch to do something about it. We just got this Black Cipher today (at least I patched today), give it some time. Perhaps Nexon already knows this problem and is working on it. But don't expect them to completely remove it just because of lag from the start.[/quote]
Which is why it would start April 1st, so i can quickly close this thread if there are no longer any problems.
3, maybe 4.
OT: lol.
[quote=ImarksmanI]Cool mate, but you're not going to make ANY difference, nor Nexon will even try to listen to you. Close this thread.[/quote]
you clearly didn't read the bottom of it.