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[quote=ytrewq1248]That was a bit wall of text. I didn't even realize that.

But LOL, I use a shiner, which is probably the least efficient of all crossbows.

To maker, there like 150m+ EACH, or more, and if you buy them clean, there like 20m each, but then a makered Dark Neschere is probably better.

But it looks cool, and I found this nice 132 attack hammered for only 120m 2 line though but who cares.[/quote]
dw, that happens to me too
and even tho it might be the least efficient of xbows, i still love it. if i'm an HP hoe i think i can sacrifice damage for looks. plus, i got a 108 ATT 3-line clean shiner for 45m, just waiting for me to 50%+WS

and as long as the lines are decent, it's good. my 131 ATT u/h 2-lines was 240m, but the lines are decent, and i can still hammer it to 141 ATT

That was a bit wall of text. I didn't even realize that.

But LOL, I use a shiner, which is probably the least efficient of all crossbows.

To maker, there like 150m+ EACH, or more, and if you buy them clean, there like 20m each, but then a makered Dark Neschere is probably better.

But it looks cool, and I found this nice 132 attack hammered for only 120m 2 line though but who cares.

@ChibiCross: meh, for me my endgame will be shiner cross. i don't really like the BB look (well, it isn't on my top list) and even tho i love reverse overalls and shoes, i still want my weapons to be tradable (i can trade my shiner with my friend's VIP whenever i want, you can't do that with a reverse ). plus, shiner is second in my xbow looks ranking (only dark crow and void hunter beat it, but those aren't endgame material ) plus, i'm a tad biased since i got a 108 ATT clean 3-line shiner, i justn eed to raise the funds to perfect+cube it

@dinosaaur: yea, if you aren't aiming for your true endgame weapon (anything lvl 100+ perfectly scrolled with 30% boss potential at the very least), don't mess with shiners, reverses or even VIP. it's easier and cheaper to get a nice neschere, since it's more common, easier to self scroll, easier to maker, it's tradable, and doesn't ask for a lot of STR

@ytrewq1248: tho it's true reverses aren't worth it unless you perfect-scroll em, you can get the PoT yourself. from my friend's i can tell they're a rather common drop as of lately, so even getting em wouldn't be so hard. and you get to train in the process

What I would do would be maker (for about 10m of materials, intermediate diamond+basic DEX crystal+black crystal+sim), then make about 10.

Total cost so far about 105m.

Then, buy a crap load of 30%, for about 6-8m each, so if you were to need about 15ish, thats another 105m.

Total cost: 210m.

Then, throw 1 on each. Toss the fail's.

Then buy some 70% pot scrolls, and toss 1 on each of the good ones, cost of about 21m. Sell 2 liners for a bit of cash (like ~20m each)

Throw another 1 on each. KEEP the fails this time.

Ok, now you probably will have 1-2 ones with 2 30%'s on them, and then another 1-2 with 1 30% on them. Now, buy some pinks, and 50% the ones with both scrolls working!

Then, (buying 50% at 40m each), your going to need 5 for each crossbow to finish. So 10 total. Thats ANOTHER 400m.

Total of only 631mish so far. Now, lets look at what you have left.

ATK 102 clean, might be more or less. 98+2+sim.

worked 2, Thats 112. Then, 5 slots. Your most likely to land 2 or 3. So a total of 122 attack, or 127 attack each 3 line. You will probably have 2, so one might even be better .

And 127 attack+ 3 line crossbow sure makes up for that 631m.

And you can sell all the leftovers.

Then, use that MTS button with the mesos from the leftovers.. And get some nx for HAMMERZZZ.

Hammer that thing, and 50% twice more (still with the money from leftovers).

Probably, you will end up with one or more crossbows with 3 line. 132 attack OR MORE! for only 631m using this method.

NOW, Lets compare it to a reverse.

First, you need 20 more STR. So thats going to cost you about 3-5 attack worth of DEX already.

so 108 clean, + 5 from gems and stuff. Total of 113 attack clean. Probably cost you about 250m to maker, between all the materials.

Now make 3, and potential them with 90%

Poof 810m+ already. And you didn't even scroll.

Ok, now purchase 7 50% scrolls. Probably 3-4 will work, giving you 128 3 line, OR 133 3 line. Scrolls costing 280m more.

Now, you spent 1090m, and your not even done. (1.09b)

And then, you get to hammer, sell the surviving 2 line reverses for the mesos. Use mts. Most likely, you will get a 1 more 50% to work, giving you 133/138 attack 3 line.

Then, you have your crossbow. BUT WAIT, reverses can level! Lets give it 3 more attack from leveling.

136-141 attack now. BUT don't forget, that 20 STR at the start that you wasted? And your potentials.. Lets give you 50% potential, so your losing out on 30 dex, 20 if you don't have potential. And 20 dex can be a nice 5 attack, and 30 dex is probably more like 7. The more funded you are, the more you lose.

So subtract 6 attack from this, because of the loss of DEX. 130-135 attack usually.

For 1,090,000,000 mesos. 130-135 attack 3 line reverse (and you cant resell it) VS a 132 attack 3 line crossbow that you can sell later, for only about 610,000,000.

The choice is clear; Reverse are not cost efficient.

wowowo, I completely forgot reverses can't be traded once they're equipped. Well scratch that idea, I know eventually I'd want to resell it.

I'm just going to look for a 120+ atk neschere, with some potential.

[quote=MesoCollector]Reverse is TERRIBLE IMO.Once a better option comes out and you will br surprised you're stuck with Reverse.
I want a clean last xbow/vip xbow in Scania to perfect scroll it but can't find any yet..[/quote]
VIP are even worse IMO. alien PQ, according to nexon was supposed to be removed in BB patch (tho because of some glitch that'll get fixed some people can still do it) so they'll be rare as hell in a couple months. plus, just the price alone is enough to scare the hell out of anyone but the most wealthy maplers, and scrollings can go awry unless you 50%+WS.

tho i agree, reverse aren't really worth it unless you perfect scroll them and throw a couple enhancement scrolls (aside from the obligatory potential, at least 2-line), but they have the leveling and price advantages over VIP. you can get 2-6 ATT from leveling it, PoTs are cheap as hell nowadays (i see them 2-3.5m ea in bello) and you can make at least 2-3 clean reverses for the price of one VIP.

[quote=IliekAranDx]But PoT price did deflated a lot you know...[/quote]
ITs true, they're down to about 3.5m each in Windia.

My only problem with makering a reverse is adding potential to it afterwards. I have horrible luck with scrolls that can make things blow up.

Edit: That's a pretty sweet XBow Chatman. o:

[quote=yonge66]Reverse is probably the best option, but I heard it's pretty difficult to buy the PoTs since the level of monsters in ToT increased. I'm probably gonna stick to Nischeres until I can make a reverse.[/quote]

But PoT price did deflated a lot you know...

Reverse is probably the best option, but I heard it's pretty difficult to buy the PoTs since the level of monsters in ToT increased. I'm probably gonna stick to Nischeres until I can make a reverse.

i was gonna do the same as you