General

[quote=dragonmatt5]Nice to see the thread working well. And it is good to see a sheriff here discussing things.

Touching on a comment made a couple pages back about not letting grey blobs post, I agree and I don't. Sure they tend to be the worst of the trolls, but if you require an avatar, they will simply start taking random people's off the nexon site. I'd rather not have the troll impersonating people. Maybe limit it so that you have to be here a few days to post, or have a certain feedback? Sure doesn't slow them much, but makes it take more effort in order to troll and would slow down on the annoyance some without affecting most users. Maybe set up a limited amount of posts for the "trial" period if you wanted to allow newbies to post still (or just tell them when they try to use the search function and they can post later)

Personally I think requiring people to verify who they are in game before they can add the account to their basil and requiring an account on their basil before posting would be the way to stop it all. But that requires far too much work to think it would be possible.[/quote]

The problem is that we used to have a feedback requirement to post near the birth of the forums and it only caused people to create fake feedback. I've had three accounts banned in the past for such reason, as a simply suspension would bring to light my obvious feedback falsities when viewed by those in power at the time.

As for the requirement to verify in game, beside the point that there are [b]far[/b] too few team members and the fact that this is meant to be fun, friendly forum rather than a secret club, a large portion of those that frequent sections such as Chat and Tech don't actually play anymore. An obvious solution to that would be to not get permanently banned on an account, but some things just happen.

I personally don't find the trolling to be a large issue on the site. I can't speak for General, which is the section that receives the most posts per day, but Chat, Site, and Tech which I frequently lurk and post in are fairly clean. The moderators do a great deal of work handling the inappropriate posts, so it leaves only the few that slip by their radar (those that go un-reported, mainly).

Nice to see the thread working well. And it is good to see a sheriff here discussing things.

Touching on a comment made a couple pages back about not letting grey blobs post, I agree and I don't. Sure they tend to be the worst of the trolls, but if you require an avatar, they will simply start taking random people's off the nexon site. I'd rather not have the troll impersonating people. Maybe limit it so that you have to be here a few days to post, or have a certain feedback? Sure doesn't slow them much, but makes it take more effort in order to troll and would slow down on the annoyance some without affecting most users. Maybe set up a limited amount of posts for the "trial" period if you wanted to allow newbies to post still (or just tell them when they try to use the search function and they can post later)

Personally I think requiring people to verify who they are in game before they can add the account to their basil and requiring an account on their basil before posting would be the way to stop it all. But that requires far too much work to think it would be possible.

@DrHye: Aye, I've seen Mythos's statistical post (I believe it was Mythos) about how Mr. Basil's projected percentile was that of roughly 3 users. It was probably just a bit too stressful for Mr. Basil, though. Since the mods were revoked of their screen acceptance abilities that I think they had back in the day, he hasn't allowed you guys much ability other than moderating posts and had taken on all of the reviewing of screenshots, videos, and avatars alone.
Being a one-man-army against a website with tens of thousands of users while trying to maintain a few other websites and a personal career is surely not an easy task, one that I applaud the man for. In the end, I think that he needs to give you guys a bit more responsibility than moderating posts, even if it was to assign a new team or two to other website related tasks rather than the current moderators. I can understand that he has a few trust issues, but with a website this large, it's extremely difficult for such a small group of people to control.
Since the loss of our security members, he's also had to uphold the behind-the-scenes works all by himself, so that just adds to him work load.

I'd put my money on the fact that upgrading those servers would take a bit of the stress off, though, as the traffic due to Nexon's game problems has been exceptionally high, causing more down times in the past week than the entire month combined. I hope he's looking into that issue a bit more seriously.

@Davyn: I remember one day, he kept toying around with the format of the forum boards. At one point he tried making each title smaller for the guides, so that he could put them all in like a 3x3 "box" format, which seemed good enough for me, but he didn't stick with it.

I still do want to talk to him about custom avatars as well. I don't see the reason for getting rid of them. According to him, a very small (a nearly impossible) amount of basilers used them, but if that's the case, then the job of approving avatars should have been easy enough. I'd be more than happy to go through submitted avatars, and I'm sure other mods would too. I think I'll bring it up in the next mod meeting, whenever that is

@DrHye: Yes, I should have made myself more clear in the first post. I was agreeing with yumtoast and you.

Understandable on the guides. Not much sways Mr. Basil in terms of improvement/addition recommendations and it's not like they're invisible as it is. Being at the top of the page is fine as it is. I do agree, though, that the older forums format was a bit more appealing. It was a bit more condensed and less flashy.

@Davyn: Oh, then you're in agreement with what yumtoast said, which I too agree with

And I do agree as well on the guides, I was merely saying what mrbasil's view on it was. I've always been in agreement of changing each forum back to the classic format (so that they appear above the threads, I don't mind if the guide itself stays in its current format). There's no doubt better ways to deal with it, but mrb's mind is made up. I've talked to him about it on at least three different occasions.

@DrHye: I was referring to how when quoting someone via the Meebo bar, as I'm doing with yours now, it doesn't provide the post that I'm quoting, and simply the name of the person I'm quoting. This requires others to find the previous post by you I'm quoting if they were to inquire what I'm responding to.

And I'd go with MrTouchnGo with the guides idea. Make them simply stand out a bit more. Let new users or those with the common problems that can be solves via the guides see them and remember to reference to them.

@MrTouchnGo: Mods aren't picked because of what time zone they're in. Of course, if there's someone in Europe that eventually becomes a mod, that's great, but a user's time zone won't make them a better candidate than anyone else

[quote=DrHye]@Davyn There's a few things I think I can clear up here:

-For whatever reason, I THINK that if you edit in a tag (as in, you didn't have the tag in your post until after an edit), it doesn't go to that person's quoted tab. I'll test it on myself after I post this

-I asked mrbasil about the whole guide format again. He says:

"Not sure how much more in your face we can make the guides, they're the first thing on the left column when viewing the forum. I'm not going to put them above the threads on the right since it doesn't make sense to force everyone to scroll past it every time they view that forum. I'm guessing that 99% of viewers are NOT looking for guides, so it's a bit obnoxious to force everyone to look at them. Guides aren't there to boost writers' egos, they're there to be of help when they're needed. I do want guide authors to feel that their work is being read and respected, but we can't/shouldn't try to force it down peoples' throats."

@DrHye testing
Edit 2: Appears my theory is right[/quote]

Yeah, I've noticed that editing a tag in doesn't tag people.

As for guides, he could make them more noticeable (as in bigger font, change the background color of "Guides and FAQ's", small stuff like that to grab people's attention)

Regarding the large number of trolls during the night, we need mods in different time zones. As far as I know, pretty much all of you guys are Americans or live around there (except Pavchka), and most of us mortals sleep during the night. We need Australians, New Zealanders or [i]someone[/i] who is up at such ungodly hours [in the US].

@Davyn There's a few things I think I can clear up here:

-For whatever reason, I THINK that if you edit in a tag (as in, you didn't have the tag in your post until after an edit), it doesn't go to that person's quoted tab. I'll test it on myself after I post this

-I asked mrbasil about the whole guide format again. He says:

"Not sure how much more in your face we can make the guides, they're the first thing on the left column when viewing the forum. I'm not going to put them above the threads on the right since it doesn't make sense to force everyone to scroll past it every time they view that forum. I'm guessing that 99% of viewers are NOT looking for guides, so it's a bit obnoxious to force everyone to look at them. Guides aren't there to boost writers' egos, they're there to be of help when they're needed. I do want guide authors to feel that their work is being read and respected, but we can't/shouldn't try to force it down peoples' throats."

@DrHye testing
Edit 2: Appears my theory is right

I'd say get the Meebo bar actually working. Half of the time the 'Quoted' tab doesn't appear on it (and it's not due to ad-blocker, as it's always on and still allows the tab).

I'd also agree with numbers [2, 3, 4 (I have them blocked somehow), 5, 6, 8, 9 (though I rarely use the front page), 11 (section-specific), 12, 14 (it's worth a shot), 15 (have it so when you click a link in the quoted tab it includes the message you're quoting rather than just the name of the person with the smiley face), 20] of Yumtoast's arguments.

I wish people could encourage better grammar use without getting called "the grammar police", "troll", or other derogatory names and/or warranting a suspension for being off topic.

It'd be nice if Mr. Basil allowed for public Stylish customization again. Those were really the best. Since Profil3 went down, I've been unable to find a group that still works on Basil customs.

Guides need to be made more prominent.

I personally dislike the new smiley faces. There really isn't a need for so many. Plus, how is it that : 3 comes out to "nervous", "emotionless" looks like it should be "disappointed", and it's impossible to see a frown in the "sad" face.

The smiley faces next to threads and next to other players names are quite annoying as well. I don't see a point to add emotions to a thread based on post numbers.

I've always supported the idea for a slightly more mature chat section, as Dimo requested so many years ago and was assured an "I'm working on it" by the boss himself.

I'd push for a "News" section. Throwing in a few late breaking stories into Chat doesn't seem to fit. I mean, they feel a bit out of place with all of the "There's a girl I like", "How do I look?", "Ask me anything!", and miscellaneous angst-filled threads. I'd be nice to discuss what's going on around the world.

And a re-iteration to ALLOW CUSTOM AVATARS and UPGRADE THE SERVERS!

maybe just maybe people can NOT post in those troll threads at night...

I'm gonna reply one by one, just because this is interesting :I

[quote=yumtoast154]1) Hire better mods, or at least, less biased ones
>I claimed that people with good taste don't watch/read Bleach and was promptly suspended for flame-baiting.
>I called anyone who smoked marijuana retards/idiots; mods even responded in the thread (so I knew they were at least active) and nothing happened.[/quote]

I would like to see more mods, since there's at least one other user I know of that would do a good job, but mrb doesn't exactly spring for the idea.
About the second point, was it your own thread or a post inside the thread?

[quote=yumtoast154]2) Loosen the rules
>children don't care about bad words
>they don't care about violence
>i.e. I was walking home from uni once and saw grade schoolers discussing Call of Duty 4, a rated M (17+) game.[/quote]

Indifferent here... there's too many different scenarios to just sum it all up at once.

[quote=yumtoast154]3) Buy better servers
>Better site for everyone to enjoy > Basilversary prizes for a select minority.[/quote]

Agreed entirely

[quote=yumtoast154]4) Get rid of redirect ads
>They suck
>They're annoying
>They're bad
>It redirects me to some crappy page
>You can claim that it makes money for Basil, but where are the new servers?[/quote]

I have adblocker and haven't even experienced many redirect ads lately, so it's not a big deal to me

[quote=yumtoast154]5) NO MORE ASIAN THREADS
I happen to be Asian. It makes us look bad, and the thread in general, will 99.99% be a load of crap. Plus it gets front-paged forever because people are bumping the thread with arguments that their race > your race.[/quote]

Usually if they're out of hand, they'd get locked (regardless of the race)

[quote=yumtoast154]6) /6/ IS NOT YOUR GOOGLE
Forums are for discussion: if you want to know a recipe or inquire recommendations, Google will literally take less time.[/quote]

I agree, but that would probably lead others to believe that the site's being too strict. So yes I do think many people need to learn to use google more often, but I'd also rather not enforce it.

[quote=yumtoast154]7) There is an ART section, but not a MU[sic] section?
Sure, music could fall into the category of art, but having a section wouldn't hurt. Also, the fun section is dead - we might as well nuke it. Oh, and consider an ANI[me] section.[/quote]

I don't think a music section or anime section is necessary, to be honest. But that's because I don't see either topic being discussed enough that it should have its own section. Even Art was a tad of a stretch.

[quote=yumtoast154]8) BRING BACK AVATAR CUSTOMIZATION
Hell, hire me to go through customization requests. It's a bunch of BS that we're no longer able to have any control of what our avatars look like.[/quote]

Agreed completely, I'd love to accept customized avatars and I'm sure many of us would do the same. (I don't think he'd let a non-mod do it though... hell, I'd even be surprised if he let us do them)

[quote=yumtoast154]9) Expand Chat Island
It doesn't take a genius to know that GEN and CHAT are the most populated sections on Basil. Everything in the middle... not so much. Why not remove a couple lines of threads from REGIONS and CLASS to increase GEN and CHAT's front-paged threads?[/quote]

I agree with making the front page more "proportionate" (hope that's the word) to whichever sections are most commonly used.

[quote=yumtoast154]10) The use of headers in posts
Why should this feature be limited to the thread opener, anyways?[/quote]

I can't think of a reason why a reply would need a header, aside from trying to make it more noticeable (which would mean it's being abused, which is probably why it's not allowed in the first place).

[quote=yumtoast154]11) Remove the "making threads is currently disabled" thing-a-ma-jig
I'm not sure why this is here. It doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Excuse/argument: There are not enough mods to patrol the forums, so we disable thread creation.
Solution: Hire more mods

Excuse/argument: The server is over-capacity so we disable thread creation to balance it out.
Solution: lolwat. Threads are normally disabled during the daytime when kids are at school - including the mods. This just means Mr. B doesn't hire mods in varying time zones.[/quote]

I just think he should disable them in certain sections. A non-maple-related section shouldn't be paused because of something happening to maple. MrB said that he assumed people would all just migrate to Chat and make threads there, and I highly disagree, but I don't think he's going to block thread-making in only some sections.

[quote=yumtoast154]12) Fix the Basil search bar
Has anyone actually used it recently? It's actually fairly ineffective and typing "BasilMarket __________" in Google would be more efficient.[/quote]

Yeah it sucks, so I agree.

[quote=yumtoast154]13) Introduce saging to Basil (debatable)
For any of those who don't know, saging is an option preventing your post from bumping a thread. It's useful for when you want threads that are dead to stay dead, or your comment doesn't contribute as much as it should.[/quote]

Eh, it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. If a really old thread is bumped, anyone can report it and the guy would get a rule 2 suspension. But while the thread's active, I don't see the problem with the TS' posts on the thread bumping it up to the top like normal.

[quote=yumtoast154]14) Make a "are you sure the thread you're about to post is in the correct section" warning
I'm pretty sure this is self-explanatory. It saves the mods' time as well.[/quote]

Most people would probably just click it without thinking anyway. Similar to how mrbasil added a "which class" option that wouldn't actually let them make the thread. People are just gonna avoid it and make the thread anyway.

[quote=yumtoast154]15) The quoting system
Back in the day when you quoted someone, their entire post was quoted so other people could read said person's post without having to scroll X pages to find it. Nowadays, a smiley face and the quoted user's name just appears half the time because of double quoting/whatever it's called.[/quote]

Agreed, and I think it's stupid that mrb even uses smiley faces for quoting someone. It's pointless and random.

[quote=yumtoast154]16) Image hosting
I remember when image hosting was available on Basil... for about 3 days. There were mudkips everywhere during that period, but the idea of being able to post images directly from your hard drive rather than submitting it on minus or imageshack was pretty cool beans. We should bring that back, but for people that have X-amount of medals. You can't trust some people with direct image posting... although posting an imageshack link to an explicit picture isn't much of a difference.

edit: forgot this is impossible now due to the massive population of Basil (versus 2005-2007/8) and the limited [server] resources.[/quote]

I don't remember that Must've been away or not part of basil during that time.

[quote=yumtoast154]17) TECH versus technology
There should be two different tech forums.

Example:
TECH is mainly MapleStory errors (which it is now) and MapleStory troubleshooting.
[robo] TECK is a tech forum designed for actual technology, such as OS wars, computer builds, etc.[/quote]

I think MS Tech and Non-MS Tech is enough. Neither are really incredibly active, so there's no need to add a third one IMO.

[quote=yumtoast154]18) Most-wanted items section at the bottom of the home page
Are you sure those are the most-wanted items this season (or even this year)? I'm pretty sure that's what it was in 2009, but hey, I can't really disprove it.[/quote]

Seems like a pointless part of basil to me, so I wouldn't mind if it was removed.

[quote=yumtoast154]19) Memes
Which memes are actually allowed...? I've seen mods (and Mr. B) use various memes over the years, so where do we draw the line?[/quote]

kevvl might've answered this already. You can use a meme as long as the rest of your post is relevant and helpful (basically a post that wouldn't be suspended for). His explanation is probably more thorough.

[quote=yumtoast154]20) Thread subscription
You know that meebo bar that displays your quotes/IMs? It'd be pretty nice if it displayed thread subs as well.[/quote]

I don't subscribe to threads, but sounds like a good idea to me.

[quote=illkoyou]Perhaps you or the other mods could try suggesting to Mr. Basil that you guys should be given the power to disable/reenable threads? Just a suggestion..but it's necessary I would like to think.[/quote]

That seems like a power where some of us might have disagreements with one another. That just seems like too "major" of a power on the site that should just stay with the admin.

1. Stop being prejudice when it comes to racist comments. You can say anything you want about whites, hispanics, or blacks but say anything remotely offensive about asians and all hell breaks loose.

2. Get a stronger server.

3. Delete trolls upon the 3rd offense.

Much better bail now. /thread

[quote=DrHye]I asked mrbasil last night-ish whether or not he knew they were still disabled, and suggested we re-enable them. They were disabled temporarily because of an in-game issue that caused spam on basil, but now that the issue's being resolved, I don't think there's a need to keep threads disabled at this point.[/quote]

Perhaps you or the other mods could try suggesting to Mr. Basil that you guys should be given the power to disable/reenable threads? Just a suggestion..but it's necessary I would like to think.

[quote=yumtoast154][b]1) Hire better mods, or at least, less biased ones[/b]
>I claimed that people with good taste don't watch/read Bleach and was promptly suspended for flame-baiting.
>I called anyone who smoked marijuana retards/idiots; mods even responded in the thread (so I knew they were at least active) and nothing happened.[/quote]
You completely skipped over the part where you criticized the guy for his grammar/spelling as well. Anyways, you've been here long enough to know that getting new mods isn't going to solve the issue; rather, it's just going to give everyone new names to shout out when pointing the finger.

I don't mind the rest of your suggestions, but we mods have as much say as you guys when it comes to things like this. =/

Trolling/spamming is much as much a part of Basil as are the guides, the info resources, etc. xD

Edit: I don't mind things as is. xD

@yumtoast154: I absolutely agree with all of your 20 statements.

[quote=DrKiki]Why have threads not been enabled. @_@ Is Basil ALWAYS this lazy? I'm tired of the same topics.. and they're not even good[/quote]

I asked mrbasil last night-ish whether or not he knew they were still disabled, and suggested we re-enable them. They were disabled temporarily because of an in-game issue that caused spam on basil, but now that the issue's being resolved, I don't think there's a need to keep threads disabled at this point.

Basil is meant for trolling.

Memes are always allowed if they're actually relevant/used in a post that's actually beneficial. If I just randomly make a post saying how awesome mudkips are then it's probably not OK. If the thread's already about mudkips or I make a relevant post alongside my observation that the reader enjoys mudkips, then that's OK.

[quote=yumtoast154]cont'd

[b]11) Remove the "making threads is currently disabled" thing-a-ma-jig[/b]
I'm not sure why this is here. It doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Excuse/argument: There are not enough mods to patrol the forums, so we disable thread creation.
Solution: Hire more mods

Excuse/argument: The server is over-capacity so we disable thread creation to balance it out.
Solution: lolwat. Threads are normally disabled during the daytime when kids are at school - including the mods. This just means Mr. B doesn't hire mods in varying time zones.

[b]12) Fix the Basil search bar[/b]
Has anyone actually used it recently? It's actually fairly ineffective and typing "BasilMarket __________" in Google would be more efficient.

[b]13) Introduce saging to Basil (debatable)[/b]
For any of those who don't know, saging is an option preventing your post from bumping a thread. It's useful for when you want threads that are dead to stay dead, or your comment doesn't contribute as much as it should.

[b]14) Make a "are you sure the thread you're about to post is in the correct section" warning[/b]
I'm pretty sure this is self-explanatory. It saves the mods' time as well.

[b]15) The quoting system[/b]
Back in the day when you quoted someone, their entire post was quoted so other people could read said person's post without having to scroll X pages to find it. Nowadays, a smiley face and the quoted user's name just appears half the time because of double quoting/whatever it's called.

[b]16) Image hosting[/b]
I remember when image hosting was available on Basil... for about 3 days. There were mudkips everywhere during that period, but the idea of being able to post images directly from your hard drive rather than submitting it on minus or imageshack was pretty cool beans. We should bring that back, but for people that have X-amount of medals. You can't trust some people with direct image posting... although posting an imageshack link to an explicit picture isn't much of a difference.

edit: forgot this is impossible now due to the massive population of Basil (versus 2005-2007/8) and the limited [server] resources.

[b]17) TECH versus technology[/b]
There should be two different tech forums.

Example:
TECH is mainly MapleStory errors (which it is now) and MapleStory troubleshooting.
[robo] TECK is a tech forum designed for actual technology, such as OS wars, computer builds, etc.

[b]18) Most-wanted items section at the bottom of the home page[/b]
Are you sure those are the most-wanted items this season (or even this year)? I'm pretty sure that's what it was in 2009, but hey, I can't really disprove it.

[b]19) Memes[/b]
Which memes are actually allowed...? I've seen mods (and Mr. B) use various memes over the years, so where do we draw the line?

[b]20) Thread subscription[/b]
You know that meebo bar that displays your quotes/IMs? It'd be pretty nice if it displayed thread subs as well.

note: I am not trying to attack any mods or Mr. Basil himself - there are just simply several improvements to be made on this site because of the small staff.
note2: Most of this list is composed of impossible-to-fulfill comments; but hey, there's no harm in suggesting them.[/quote]

Personally, I wish there were better alternatives to "Making threads are temporarily closed". Basil is really boring when you literally see the same thread day and day again.

cont'd

[b]11) Remove the "making threads is currently disabled" thing-a-ma-jig[/b]
I'm not sure why this is here. It doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Excuse/argument: There are not enough mods to patrol the forums, so we disable thread creation.
Solution: Hire more mods

Excuse/argument: The server is over-capacity so we disable thread creation to balance it out.
Solution: lolwat. Threads are normally disabled during the daytime when kids are at school - including the mods. This just means Mr. B doesn't hire mods in varying time zones.

[b]12) Fix the Basil search bar[/b]
Has anyone actually used it recently? It's actually fairly ineffective and typing "BasilMarket __________" in Google would be more efficient.

[b]13) Introduce saging to Basil (debatable)[/b]
For any of those who don't know, saging is an option preventing your post from bumping a thread. It's useful for when you want threads that are dead to stay dead, or your comment doesn't contribute as much as it should.

[b]14) Make a "are you sure the thread you're about to post is in the correct section" warning[/b]
I'm pretty sure this is self-explanatory. It saves the mods' time as well.

[b]15) The quoting system[/b]
Back in the day when you quoted someone, their entire post was quoted so other people could read said person's post without having to scroll X pages to find it. Nowadays, a smiley face and the quoted user's name just appears half the time because of double quoting/whatever it's called.

[b]16) Image hosting[/b]
I remember when image hosting was available on Basil... for about 3 days. There were mudkips everywhere during that period, but the idea of being able to post images directly from your hard drive rather than submitting it on minus or imageshack was pretty cool beans. We should bring that back, but for people that have X-amount of medals. You can't trust some people with direct image posting... although posting an imageshack link to an explicit picture isn't much of a difference.

edit: forgot this is impossible now due to the massive population of Basil (versus 2005-2007/8) and the limited [server] resources.

[b]17) TECH versus technology[/b]
There should be two different tech forums.

Example:
TECH is mainly MapleStory errors (which it is now) and MapleStory troubleshooting.
[robo] TECK is a tech forum designed for actual technology, such as OS wars, computer builds, etc.

[b]18) Most-wanted items section at the bottom of the home page[/b]
Are you sure those are the most-wanted items this season (or even this year)? I'm pretty sure that's what it was in 2009, but hey, I can't really disprove it.

[b]19) Memes[/b]
Which memes are actually allowed...? I've seen mods (and Mr. B) use various memes over the years, so where do we draw the line?

[b]20) Thread subscription[/b]
You know that meebo bar that displays your quotes/IMs? It'd be pretty nice if it displayed thread subs as well.

note: I am not trying to attack any mods or Mr. Basil himself - there are just simply several improvements to be made on this site because of the small staff.
note2: Most of this list is composed of impossible-to-fulfill comments; but hey, there's no harm in suggesting them.

Why can't chat make threads ? just disable thread making only in the maplegeneral section?

[quote=yumtoast154][b]1) Hire better mods, or at least, less biased ones[/b]
[b]I prefer a more strict and forceful approach.[/b]

[b]2) Loosen the rules[/b]
>children don't care about bad words
>they don't care about violence
>i.e. I was walking home from uni once and saw grade schoolers discussing Call of Duty 4, a rated M (17+) game.

[b]3) Buy better servers[/b]
>Better site for everyone to enjoy > Basilversary prizes for a select minority.

[b]4) Get rid of redirect ads[/b]
>They suck
>They're annoying
>They're bad
>It redirects me to some crappy page
>You can claim that it makes money for Basil, but where are the new servers?

[b]5) NO MORE ASIAN THREADS[/b]
I happen to be Asian. It makes us look bad, and the thread in general, will 99.99% be a load of crap. Plus it gets front-paged forever because people are bumping the thread with arguments that their race > your race. [b]In that case, there should be no race threads at all.[/b]

[b]6) /6/ IS NOT YOUR GOOGLE[/b]
Forums are for discussion: if you want to know a recipe or inquire recommendations, Google will literally take less time. [b]Why should I resort to Google when I'm asking for YOU on a question? If you don't know it, be honest and say you don't know it and ask someone else or look it up. Besides people are discussing either way on this.[/b]

[b]7) There is an ART section, but not a MU[sic] section?[/b]
Sure, music could fall into the category of art, but having a section wouldn't hurt. Also, the fun section is dead - we might as well nuke it. Oh, and consider an ANI[me] section.

[b]8) BRING BACK AVATAR CUSTOMIZATION[/b]
Hell, hire me to go through customization requests. It's a bunch of BS that we're no longer able to have any control of what our avatars look like. [b]I don't care about that much.[/b]

[b]9) Expand Chat Island[/b]
It doesn't take a genius to know that GEN and CHAT are the most populated sections on Basil. Everything in the middle... not so much. Why not remove a couple lines of threads from REGIONS and CLASS to increase GEN and CHAT's front-paged threads?

[b]10) The use of headers in posts[/b]
Why should this feature be limited to the thread opener, anyways?

inb4 rage
inb4 suspension
inb4 me > you[/quote]

Here are a few opinions of mine.

[quote=Zero765]@TheDudeAbides: Simple, no one would know who these secret mods are. And then also they can pose as simple basilers and pass on info to actual mods to keep them on the up and up.[/quote]
Because normal mods are incapable of reading threads. I see!

@TheDudeAbides: Simple, no one would know who these secret mods are. And then also they can pose as simple basilers and pass on info to actual mods to keep them on the up and up.

[quote=Zero765]Basil can secretly hire "Hidden Mods". They are mods, just people don't know it. They can have powers such as closing a troll thread, and suspending, but not deleting or banning.[/quote]

why would that change anything?

Basil can secretly hire "Hidden Mods". They are mods, just people don't know it. They can have powers such as closing a troll thread, and suspending, but not deleting or banning.

I say we ban all blobs with suspicious names

Or rather, anyone with an obvious bait name... like Trollzor343 or summat

...yeah...

[quote=yumtoast154][b]1) Hire better mods, or at least, less biased ones[/b]
>I claimed that people with good taste don't watch/read Bleach and was promptly suspended for flame-baiting.
>I called anyone who smoked marijuana retards/idiots; mods even responded in the thread (so I knew they were at least active) and nothing happened.

[b]2) Loosen the rules[/b]
>children don't care about bad words
>they don't care about violence
>i.e. I was walking home from uni once and saw grade schoolers discussing Call of Duty 4, a rated M (17+) game.

[b]3) Buy better servers[/b]
>Better site for everyone to enjoy > Basilversary prizes for a select minority.

[b]4) Get rid of redirect ads[/b]
>They suck
>They're annoying
>They're bad
>It redirects me to some crappy page
>You can claim that it makes money for Basil, but where are the new servers?

[b]5) NO MORE ASIAN THREADS[/b]
I happen to be Asian. It makes us look bad, and the thread in general, will 99.99% be a load of crap. Plus it gets front-paged forever because people are bumping the thread with arguments that their race > your race.

[b]6) /6/ IS NOT YOUR GOOGLE[/b]
Forums are for discussion: if you want to know a recipe or inquire recommendations, Google will literally take less time.

[b]7) There is an ART section, but not a MU[sic] section?[/b]
Sure, music could fall into the category of art, but having a section wouldn't hurt. Also, the fun section is dead - we might as well nuke it. Oh, and consider an ANI[me] section.

[b]8) BRING BACK AVATAR CUSTOMIZATION[/b]
Hell, hire me to go through customization requests. It's a bunch of BS that we're no longer able to have any control of what our avatars look like.

[b]9) Expand Chat Island[/b]
It doesn't take a genius to know that GEN and CHAT are the most populated sections on Basil. Everything in the middle... not so much. Why not remove a couple lines of threads from REGIONS and CLASS to increase GEN and CHAT's front-paged threads?

[b]10) The use of headers in posts[/b]
Why should this feature be limited to the thread opener, anyways?

inb4 rage
inb4 suspension
inb4 me > you[/quote]

You have to admit that every single thing that this man has stated is not only true, but also brilliant. Mods/Mr.B, listen to this man. Hell, make him a freakin mod. He'd do a better job than all of the current mods (although the newest batch of mods is better than the previous batch >_&gt

[quote=illkoyou]Here's a possible solution: A "flag this thread as spam" type of option and if the thread were to get say..20 flags, it does not appear in the section it was previously in any more? Sure this can get abued, as some people may not like threads of others, but imo it's better than watching trolls and spammers clog up the thread sections.[/quote]

hmm...not quite sure I like that idea. Maybe just knock it off the main page so that people would have to look for it specifically to further add to the discussion, thereby making it less worth posting spam threads if they are just going to be flagged out of sight in a few minutes.

Here's a possible solution: A "flag this thread as spam" type of option and if the thread were to get say..20 flags, it does not appear in the section it was previously in any more? Sure this can get abued, as some people may not like threads of others, but imo it's better than watching trolls and spammers clog up the thread sections.

[quote=ChickenOnRice]your not the first guy to bring up this topic and won't be the last either. I think almost every active Basil-er knows the problems with the site. The mods have told us all countless times that Mrbasil is very lazy at times and can also be very busy.

Probably the greatest site improvement thread made was by holymythos. The thread kinda died down though over the summer.[/quote]

I am not expecting a lot, but it is a constructive way to spend the time and something to do besides just complaining about the site itself. And who knows, maybe someone will have a great idea that helps.

[quote=yumtoast154][/quote]

Yeah, the lack of stability with the servers can be a pain. Not sure how they are in terms of financial backing to be able to take care of it. I do know advertising can be pitiful money online though.

I do agree maybe looser language rules and a better defined or implemented notion of flame baiting would be nice. I have seen some people be complete jack holes in threads and keep going on for hours yet I can post a blunt, fact based rebuttal of someone's argument and be called trolling. Violence though...I haven't noticed anyone complain about the lack of that around here...

[b]1) Hire better mods, or at least, less biased ones[/b]
>I claimed that people with good taste don't watch/read Bleach and was promptly suspended for flame-baiting.
>I called anyone who smoked marijuana retards/idiots; mods even responded in the thread (so I knew they were at least active) and nothing happened.

[b]2) Loosen the rules[/b]
>children don't care about bad words
>they don't care about violence
>i.e. I was walking home from uni once and saw grade schoolers discussing Call of Duty 4, a rated M (17+) game.

[b]3) Buy better servers[/b]
>Better site for everyone to enjoy > Basilversary prizes for a select minority.

[b]4) Get rid of redirect ads[/b]
>They suck
>They're annoying
>They're bad
>It redirects me to some crappy page
>You can claim that it makes money for Basil, but where are the new servers?

[b]5) NO MORE ASIAN THREADS[/b]
I happen to be Asian. It makes us look bad, and the thread in general, will 99.99% be a load of crap. Plus it gets front-paged forever because people are bumping the thread with arguments that their race > your race.

[b]6) /6/ IS NOT YOUR GOOGLE[/b]
Forums are for discussion: if you want to know a recipe or inquire recommendations, Google will literally take less time.

[b]7) There is an ART section, but not a MU[sic] section?[/b]
Sure, music could fall into the category of art, but having a section wouldn't hurt. Also, the fun section is dead - we might as well nuke it. Oh, and consider an ANI[me] section.

[b]8) BRING BACK AVATAR CUSTOMIZATION[/b]
Hell, hire me to go through customization requests. It's a bunch of BS that we're no longer able to have any control of what our avatars look like.

[b]9) Expand Chat Island[/b]
It doesn't take a genius to know that GEN and CHAT are the most populated sections on Basil. Everything in the middle... not so much. Why not remove a couple lines of threads from REGIONS and CLASS to increase GEN and CHAT's front-paged threads?

[b]10) The use of headers in posts[/b]
Why should this feature be limited to the thread opener, anyways?

inb4 rage
inb4 suspension
inb4 me > you

[quote=ChickenOnRice]This site is crippled as it is. Give it up.[/quote]

nah, I kind am fond of the layout so why not throw a little time into fixing it up?

[quote=ChickenOnRice]Um alright. Good luck with that. It's not a big problem really.[/quote]

Eh, it is a problem that can be addressed and fixed and would make the site better for fixing. I don't see why not to toss the topic out and see people's thoughts on the matter. "Big" problem or not.