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@draken: >.> Pretending that Whim attacks instantaneously, which it does not, I got 21.66666~. that's normalwhim, enhanced whim/bringer/double hyper effect/Song. Probaly ignoring something which is why its low compared to JT's 23 hit/s or JT calced his whims wrong. I know he recently had Phantoms attacking way too fast and had to fix it, so its not impossible. IDK, again, not really that interest in WA attack speed until I stop being lazy and fully review how Whim works.

BMs always got perks, they just frequently got overshadowed via introduction of Merc/WH. The only time they recieved a true lull was this recent one pre-RED AFTER the damage cap was raised. Believe it or not nexon actually treats BMs pretty decently. Still, I can't wait for the next Hurricane Archer to be revelaed so I can see the threads of how BMs are now a dead class...again.

To set up turret he needs to use the npc chat button, unless there is something else he is having trouble with.

@bluebomber24: I read about a nerf in KMST before CK's ever came to GMS, this was before the Red update was announced. The old 50% activation rate at 4th job was nerfed to 40%. It's a 40% activation rate at 4th job with a hyper increasing it to 10% and another hyper increasing it to 2 hits.

Oh I see, dang Bowmasters finally getting what they deserve. My friend said he's having trouble getting his arrow turret set up properly with hurricane can you give some tips indirectly? O_O Or is it just another one of Nexon's many glitches atm.

@draken: I don't think WA were ever nerfed. Phoenix delay was changed in Ascension patch I believe.

For the whim, again I don't know how it works. Keep in mind that there is a Normal Activation Rate and an Enhanced Activation Rate.

@bluebomber24: Ah. I was checking out several old threads and calculations being done and I saw bowmushroom come up with like 35 hits per second on pre-nerf KMS WA. But I'm not sure how that happens O_O. Wouldn't it be something like 8.33 * .5 (Trifling Wind Hyper) multiply by 2 from the second hyper = 8.33 + 8.33 + Storm Bringer (2.5)?

And as for bowmasters (I'd totally be making one if my friend didn't already have one and we don't want two of the same classes in our group) when did Phoenix get buffed? I thought it hit at like once every three seconds.

@draken: That's pretty vague. But WAs are still doing thier thing.

edit: unless you meant hit/s? Which I never checked, I just never had an interest in WA. But I believe their number is floating around the merc area.

@bluebomber24: How do classes like WA's fare nowadays?

@draken: APS is better defined by instances per second, not lines. Mercs still have 8.333 instances per second if memory serves.

[quote=draken]Wouldn't 12.5 standalone lose to RoI?
So how are the APS rankings nowadays? I don't know any of the new skill delays so my memory is still on 28.33 for Merc's lol.[/quote]

Well, its not 12.5. Maple Rounding makes it 11.11~. Merc RoI standalone is 16.66~. However, the person was most likely including Blaster+Turret+AFA+Magic Arrows. After Fly Mercs with AFA will be at 29.1666~ per second, assuming Mercs summon attacks once per second it would be 30.16666~. BMs with thier combination is at 36.6666666~ without Phoenix and 37.666666~ with.

In summary:
Mercs fire exactly 1750 arrows per minute.
BMs fire exactly 2200 arrows per minute with Magic Arrows locked.
Phantoms (100% Crit) fire exactly 2180 arrows/cards per minute for the Phantoms that are interested.

[quote=DemoDango]Arrow Blaster shoots at 12.5 shots per second or something, so they already were the APS kings.

I don't think the autofire type procs the Magic Arrows but I know casting the skill yourself should. It's apparently bugged so that it doesn't proc as it should, though.[/quote]

Wouldn't 12.5 standalone lose to RoI?
So how are the APS rankings nowadays? I don't know any of the new skill delays so my memory is still on 28.33 for Merc's lol.

@carlsonlf: You should not interrupt Blaster with GG. The only skill that is worth interupting Blaster is Binding Shot, as the dpm loss isn't htat huge and it has additional benefits. If it didn't have a cooldown, Binding Shot could be broken on some bosses.

[quote=bluebomber24]@carlsonlf: Yes it is.[/quote]

Oh I see. On a side note, is it still worth interrupting our main attack (now Arrow Blaster instead of Hurricane), to cast Wind of Frey (or whatever it's called in GMS) when attacking a single target?

@carlsonlf: Yes it is.

[quote=bluebomber24]Nope. Irrc 100% crit Phantoms are 1.333 hits per second slower than a BM, 0.333 if you exclude phoenix. And yea, I included everything for phantoms as I have discussed this is with various phantoms in great detail about 4 times.[/quote]

Is that with AFA functioning properly?

i'm afraid that once it does proc, it'll cause us further crashing

[quote=bluebomber24]@Monopolising: NPC chat button[/quote]

ahhh okay thanks! my npc chat is on y haha

@Monopolising: NPC chat button

[quote=bluebomber24]Nope. Irrc 100% crit Phantoms are 1.333 hits per second slower than a BM, 0.333 if you exclude phoenix. And yea, I included everything for phantoms as I have discussed this is with various phantoms in great detail about 4 times.[/quote]

ahh i see. off topic question how do i get arrow blaster to go into turret mode? I've tried pressing space and it still doesnt work

[quote=Monopolising]or a phantom with 100% crit [/quote]

Nope. Irrc 100% crit Phantoms are 1.333 hits per second slower than a BM, 0.333 if you exclude phoenix. And yea, I included everything for phantoms as I have discussed this is with various phantoms in great detail about 4 times.

or a phantom with 100% crit

[quote=DemoDango]Arrow Blaster shoots at 12.5 shots per second or something, so they already were the APS kings.

I don't think the autofire type procs the Magic Arrows but I know casting the skill yourself should. It's apparently bugged so that it doesn't proc as it should, though.[/quote]

Magic Arrows isn't glitched. Advanced Final Attack is.

Arrow Blaster shoots at 12.5 shots per second or something, so they already were the APS kings.

I don't think the autofire type procs the Magic Arrows but I know casting the skill yourself should. It's apparently bugged so that it doesn't proc as it should, though.

Yes, but I think it's glitched at the moment.