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@mark24 You should start a new thread for these questions, or search through old ones, since these are pretty common and not relevant to the thread anymore.

Haku generally gets the fan with most m.att with potentials that are %int or %m.att, where the one you equip is %boss or w/e. Speed of fan doesn't matter for vanquishers charm, the main rapid-fire bossing move. However most of her other moves are affected by speed.

Do I equip my stronger fan on haku or kanna? Does the speed of the fan matter for haku or kanna?

@mark24: I DID MENTION IT

@Balddd: just found out you can give haku a fan. you shoulda mentioned that.

@loxiona: ok. ima xfer to kanna now

@mark24: Kay, im done. You're not taking in anything i say, its clear theres no point talking to you. LOL You're stubborn af.

@mark24 Haku blessing takes 50% of the m.att on haku's fan excluding potentials, and converts that number into a %m.att buff. It's 53% with decent CO.
Ex: 210m.att clean sw fan gives a kanna +105% m.att from haku's blessing
a high end 350m.att fan gives +185%m.att from haku's blessing when using decent CO.

@Balddd: fp and evan can move well enough and survive well enough to where damage is the most important thing. Your damage is the damage you are putting out per second. It might even out more on your server with affordable fans but on this server fafnir fans are really expensive and evan and fp have %total damage and or %magic att skills too.

Do you get 50% the magic attack of your fan? That is what it says. Evan get 35% of their total magic att.

@mark24:
Stronger does not mean dps. Stronger simply means stronger. There are so many factors into something being "stronger", you're disregarding boss movement, survivability, and a ton of other factors. Seeing "higher numbers" doesnt yield more DPS. When a f/p lands 1 mist eruption, hitting cap, and a kanna uses vanq charm during the entire process doing even 20m lines. The Kanna will put out more damage. Cooldown, HPS, and start-up delay needs to be taken into account. Elemental resist is also only really prominent at Gollux, noticeably, which doesnt even matter cause gollux time, kanna is inferior due to hit-box issues anyway.

Im not wrong, you're just trying to argue a dumb idea with no evidence whatsoever. You have not tried to fund a Kanna which invalidates everything you say. It also doesnt seem like you've funded a f/p nor an evan either. Same "funding" will yield similar results when tested. Kanna's visual range will virtually be higher than all other mage classes because of Haku's Blessing. Which is a skill you might wanna read up on. Basically, a 600k range f/p's funding will yield around 1m-1.2m range on a Kanna. This being said, the damage output - over time - will be very similar.

[quote=Balddd]@mark24: Then why are you here?

Stronger does not mean dps. Elemental resist is an issue, sure. But thats not everything to a class.

You must know everything cause a f/p actually DID get a 4 min dojo. Scrub.

More about classes in general and probably about mages, cept kanna right? LOL, get out. This is Kanna forum.[/quote]

stronger does mean dps when kanna does less dps with the same gear at less than max funds and when kanna doesn't have elemental reset.

No fp is doing that on my server and last time I checked there were no vids on youtube of this or anyone speaking of an fp that did when I asked on basil.

You're the one saying kanna is just as strong as fp and evan at lower ranges and that is probably wrong.

@mark24: Then why are you here?

Stronger does not mean dps. Elemental resist is an issue, sure. But thats not everything to a class.

You must know everything cause a f/p actually DID get a 4 min dojo. Scrub.

More about classes in general and probably about mages, cept kanna right? LOL, get out. This is Kanna forum.

[quote=mark24]@Balddd: fp and evan are way stronger at normal funds than the rest of the mages, are you saying kanna is the same? Even if kanna is they still lack elemental reset so I don't see how that's possible, that is the main issue with battlemage.

I said get a 4minute dojo because I have never heard of any mage getting one. I know enough about the classes. Never bothered learning kanna in detail and no one ever mentions the class.

I know more about the classes in general than you and probably more about mages so I don't care if you say I know nothing.[/quote]

GDI neeqer. You don't get the point. Strong =/= DPS only.
Gratz you know more about other classes and admit you're r3t4rded when it comes to kannas. Please brag more about that on kanna specific forums.
Dojo times matter cause yknow gotta have the massive 3p33n gloves cause those totally bring in the money at the end of the day and not tyrant/cra drops.
And before you go full mainlander on me (read r3t4rd) YES INDEED EVERYONE REALIZES THAT YOUR BELOVED FP/EVAN SCALES BETTER DPS WISE WITH FUNDING
But when it comes down to solo hard mag, is capping 50m with no binds, no overmax HP tanking, no free 30cd healz easier for you? I'd rather have an easier time throwing 30-40m lines with the above benefits.

Edit: read your first post
Where the hell are you pulling those numbers for range estimates from? Probably the kannas you've talked to are r3t4rds like you that probably cube %boss/pdr on bonus pot haku fan or make haku fan one of the last priorities to upgrade. More about the numbers: vcharm is not the sole source of DPS. We do have a "final attack" called monkey spirits and an aura that procs a significant amount of DMG at around the same interval as mspirits. Let me teach you about some of the finer points of this class so you can wave your d33k in the FP/Evan forums too!

Edit2: also I may or may not be somewhat inebriated. Sorry if I offend anyone . But no not really

@Balddd: fp and evan are way stronger at normal funds than the rest of the mages, are you saying kanna is the same? Even if kanna is they still lack elemental reset so I don't see how that's possible, that is the main issue with battlemage.

I said get a 4minute dojo because I have never heard of any mage getting one. I know enough about the classes. Never bothered learning kanna in detail and no one ever mentions the class.

I know more about the classes in general than you and probably more about mages so I don't care if you say I know nothing.

@mark24 i think you're missing the point. Im telling you that Kannas are perfectly capable of bossing. "Max funding" or not, Kanna are able utilize their skills far better than just pure dps classes. And in no way is Kanna inferior to f/p or evan.

Also, you're obnoxiously saying get a 4min dojo, get out, rofl. Please. Act like you know everything yet you know nothing, play kanna throughly before making judgements.

@Balddd: Get a 4min dojo and post it on youtube. I don't think any other mage class in gms can do that and blaze wizard probably won't after its nerfs.

[quote=mark24]@Balddd: Wow. I guess Kanna is one of the best if not the best mage with max funding. I had no idea it could be that strong. I think I was right about it with average to high funds tho. Thanks for the info. I think 5:02 is better than any other mage class can get in dojo. Wow.

How much range do you need for a 5minute dojo on kanna?[/quote]

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*sigh

@Balddd: Wow. I guess Kanna is one of the best if not the best mage with max funding. I had no idea it could be that strong. I think I was right about it with average to high funds tho. Thanks for the info. I think 5:02 is better than any other mage class can get in dojo. Wow.

How much range do you need for a 5minute dojo on kanna?

I'm only at 78k range on my kanna and I do perfectly fine keeping up to my allys damage. I don't know what you're doing wrong Kanna is very enjoyable to me and it is my favorite class. Just because you're not hitting for max doesn't mean that the class sucks.

@mark24: My best dojo time is 5:02. as of now.
http://www.twitch.tv/baldddn/c/4917144 And heres my cvell solo. ~Btw, the only reason i dont 100% cap is cause i opted out my PDR on my emblem for 21% m.att.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktPGvQ404dQ and my hell gollux solo.

Btw, these are all outdated. As i did equip upgrades.

@mark24 For range, just the kanna ones (MW + Haku's Blessing), decent CO, and one of those cheap 20m.att wizard elixers.

Kannas are a bit of a high-ranged job, so they don't do the same damage as others at 2m range. However, it doesn't take nearly as much to reach that milestone once you got the fans down, so yea.

@loxiona: oh my god. what kinda buffs are you using? wat the eff? time to get kanna 200...

@mark24: I've played other mages and i'm not alone in my opinion that kanna cap vanq pretty much wins out. I'm not too attached as to not notice what's wrong with the class or what keeps it from doing well. The fact of the matter is that no elemental reset hurts us real bad. You're just too much of a dmg ho. That's it. I mean look at your statement. You really love I/L and yet because the damage is not top tier, you don't want to main it. If that aint selling your soul I don't know what is AND TO TOP IT OFF, you feel as if you can argue in a kanna funding thread with this mentality and then say you won't waste your time. No. It is I who won't waste my time with a dmg ho. Sorry, not sorry.

[quote=Singaporean]I'm not going to do your work for you. You want proof of kanna dojo times and whatnot, go look it up yourself. The only reason it's rare to see kannas in action is because people look down on them due to the glitches that plagued the class for a long time. Now people only blindly see them as kishin slaves.[/quote]

They also rank low on 'dps charts' and have a reputation of being 'weak' from a weak early 4th job. Using a rapidfire skill as a main attack doesn't make it easy to hit big numbers either, so people usually won't percieve their damage to be that strong (vs a job that hits hard lines but not as quickly).

[quote=mark24]My friend is a kanna and she was pretty strong, she had like 300% or 400% int or something and she switched to evan and told me it is way stronger. I think kanna is lacking in single target damage either because of the attack speed of its bossing skill or because the % damage of it or lack of final attack skills and mobbing because of the cooldowns on its skills that hit more than 3 mobs.

Ima get my kanna 200. It does not seem strong solo without max funding but seems like a really good support and is an interesting class that I think might be fun to play.[/quote]

They may have had 300% or 400% int, but how good were their fans? A common mistake is to go cheap on haku's fan, which is actually a massive source of %m.att and damage. I've got 200%ish~ int, and have a 2m~2m range. My range is about 700k-800k clean to 2m~2m self-buffed.

Kanna damage improves a lot as you approach 200. In early 4th job you use shikigami haunting as your main bossing skill. Late 4th job you use vanquishers charm+all 3 of its hypers, which will double to triple your dps in comparison to shikigami haunting.

@Singaporean: nah. you too attatched to kanna, ima pick my battles this aint worth it tryna convince you. I just main whatever mage is strongest out of the ones I enjoy, the only mage I really love is IL but it sucks. You're kinda biased and too heavily invested in kanna so im not gonna waste my time.

@mark24: Wow are you serious? First of all, you try to omit max damage when that's everyone's goal. The goal is to fund your character so that you can play the higher end content. All I see is someone pushing the evan class hard. You have an f/p but clearly don't know how to play. You don't need to cast all DoT spells. All you need to paralyze and mist and then you explode it. That's all. There is no perfect casting needed. meggido is only situational and fire aura should be constantly hitting the boss (it's pretty obvious). I do say fp using ME is better than evan. Reason? Most friends climbed the f/p bandwagon and i've seen a lot of evans in action. Evans with the same funding as me or similar are still lower than i am in terms of dojo time so what makes you think they're going to beat f/p even with the same funding? f/p isn't at the top of the charts for no reason. Also, my dojo time is 6:19~6:30 and I don't even cap damage.

I'm not going to do your work for you. You want proof of kanna dojo times and whatnot, go look it up yourself. The only reason it's rare to see kannas in action is because people look down on them due to the glitches that plagued the class for a long time. Now people only blindly see them as kishin slaves.

Damage per line vs DPS is a very different thing. You may be able to do 50m per line 5 times on blaze vs. a 25m/35m fb+bkb combo, sure you're numbers look big, but when you add it up its different. And yea.. its very assumed that f/p outdamages evan by good amount. Sad to say this, evans are strong, but definitely not the strongest mage, neither are battle mages too (too add some unbias). This is just one example of course, live stats on my battle mage (2m-2m; barely over 2m visual cap)

[quote=Singaporean]Now I know you're bogus. I know evans and they can't hold a candle to f/p. Sorry. F/P is virtually the highest dps for mages unless you cap on kanna. Like @Balddd said, capping vanq is unmatched. Also I feel you greatly underestimate luminous and I/L. Sure, evans are stronger than them but don't dismiss them.

EDIT: Also haku prevents stuns at cvellum from the rocks and sometimes prevents getting hats at pierre. Add that with the new jms additions for kanna and every single other mage will not be able to touch us. We will have the best support, the sheer number of which would makes us better than bishops.[/quote]

Luminous single target damage is weak without a ridiculous amount of funding and IL is just bad compared to fire poison mage. I got a fp and evan, my evan does dojo in like 7minutes and it takes about 9 for my fp. Dps charts have meggido flame doing damage, have fire aura constantly hitting the boss, and assumes you cast your dots and abilities with perfect timing.

If you say a fp using mist eruption is way better than an evan with the same gears then you don't know what you're talking about. You say kanna is good, link some top kanna dojo times and chaos vellum/hell gollux solos.

[quote=mark24]Evan outclassed by what mage? The only mage that really outclasses it is fp when fp is over 2mil range. Bam need like 4mil range or more to do as much damage on endgame bosses as a 1.5mil range evan. Battlemage from what I hear can't even solo chaos vellum or hell gollux and dojos slower at 5mil range than an evan with 1.5mil range. Bam is probably the strongest mage without elemental reset. Luminous and IL are the only others with elemental reset and its known how weak their single target damage is with less than max funding.[/quote]

Now I know you're bogus. I know evans and they can't hold a candle to f/p. Sorry. F/P is virtually the highest dps for mages unless you cap on kanna. Like @Balddd said, capping vanq is unmatched. Also I feel you greatly underestimate luminous and I/L. Sure, evans are stronger than them but don't dismiss them.

EDIT: Also haku prevents stuns at cvellum from the rocks and sometimes prevents getting hats at pierre. Add that with the new jms additions for kanna and every single other mage will not be able to touch us. We will have the best support, the sheer number of which would makes us better than bishops.

[quote=Toxicpanda]Evan has high% damage skills but is very lacking in the number of lines it can do, therefore it is outclassed by a majority of other mages. Sure, mages have flaws and such but damage doesn't mean everything, what matters is that you are enjoying the class. Who are you to tell us what mage is better for us, we can decide on our own thank you very much. It'd be great if you could stop commenting on mage forums in general, every forum you've commented on has become a trashtalk fest of other mages. Thanks and have a nice day.[/quote]

Evan outclassed by what mage? The only mage that really outclasses it is fp when fp is over 2mil range. Bam need like 4mil range or more to do as much damage on endgame bosses as a 1.5mil range evan. Battlemage from what I hear can't even solo chaos vellum or hell gollux and dojos slower at 5mil range than an evan with 1.5mil range. Bam is probably the strongest mage without elemental reset. Luminous and IL are the only others with elemental reset and its known how weak their single target damage is with less than max funding.

@Singaporean Fp and Evan cap at like 1.5mil range or less and that matters a ton. It is hard enough for a normal player to get to that range, capping on a kanna would probably take over 5mil range or more for endgame bosses and isn't realistic for almost all players compared to like half that for evan and fp. I didn't say kanna don't have a final attack I said its not as good as bowmasters, phantoms, and probably wind archer's.

[quote=mark24]@Balddd: We are not talking about hitting 50mil lines on kanna, That would probably take like over 5mil range to do that on endgame bosses. fp and evan can solo all the bosses besides the new boss that was just released so survivability doesn't matter. Kanna does not have elemental reset and fp and evan can do cap damage on endgame bosses with like 1/3 the range or less it would take for a kanna. fp mage have paralyze and it 1shots strong hold mobs with about 800k range. flamewheel on evan can kill most the map with 1 cast at stronghold and 1shots at around 700k range. Binds are helpful but high damage is way better than having a bind and you didn't mention luminous' bind.(Luminous without max funding is weak at bossing too and is really difficult to fund) IL Mage is garbage so it doesn't matter than it has a self bind that's doesn't do crap solo.

I am pretty sure it takes like 3-5times the funding to do the same damage as evan or fp on endgame bosses because kanna has lower damage to begin with and no elemental reset. We are not talking about 5mil or 10mil range kannas we are talking about normal mages up to about 2mil range. Corsair have a hurricane skill too and do way less dps than hurricane archer and phantom because they don't have strong final attack skills, I am pretty sure it is the same with kanna. Also just because the skill hits fast doesn't make it a hurricane skill, luminous spectral light for instance is garbage and judging by the way you described kannas skill being 5 lines im guessing it is probably more similar to that than an actual hurricane. I wouldn't know though, I haven't seen any good kanna dojo times or really any strong kannas at all on my server or even heard any mention of it being a strong class to play so I haven't really spent time learning the class other than when I leveled it for the link skill.

My friend is a kanna and she was pretty strong, she had like 300% or 400% int or something and she switched to evan and told me it is way stronger. I think kanna is lacking in single target damage either because of the attack speed of its bossing skill or because the % damage of it or lack of final attack skills and mobbing because of the cooldowns on its skills that hit more than 3 mobs.

Ima get my kanna 200. It does not seem strong solo without max funding but seems like a really good support and is an interesting class that I think might be fun to play.[/quote]

Doesn't matter if he was talking about 5m or 10m range. Fact of the matter is that if both classes cap, kanna comes out on top. It's just easier for f/p and evan. It's not hard to fund a kanna either. Honestly the only difficult thing is getting the fafnir fan. Honestly you sound like some bandwagon scrub. How is I/L garbage? Don't just bash a class because all you care about is easy damage. All classes have the capability to cap and perform well on bosses.

It doesn't take a ton of funds to achieve good damage on a kanna. Our range climbs very quickly. All it comes down to is cubing for all classes honestly. Also you clearly don't know luminous class. The spectral light sucks because it automatically stops after like 10 seconds and you have to recast it. If it didn't take this pause then it would obviously be the main bossing skill. Your friend probably grew tired of kanna or was just short-sighted like you are. my int hasn't even broken 300 and i'm already capped. Surely your friend was fully geared. Switching to evan and saying it's stronger must mean she fully geared it too. I'd like an ign of this "friend" too in case your statement is a load of crap. Kanna bossing skill is good as is and we do have a final attack. You need to get your facts straight.

Mobbing is easy. All you really need is a potion pot which everyone got for free when it came out. Iirc it's 700nx for one and 1k nx for the rust remover. That's 80mil every month in windia. If you can't pay that sum then you have no right to talk. With potion pot we refill mana easily and mob with SPIRIT CORRAL. I mean seriously guys, read the skills. There's spirit corral and tengu strike to mob with AND when funded, that sand demon skill takes out mobs supremely easily. Add that to popping nimbus, orochi, 9 tails, the foot ultimate, AND the totem ultimate means we clear mobs with ease. No one can ks me at sh. NO ONE. So please elaborate with your vast and extensive kanna knowledge as to what's wrong with kanna.

The only things I feel are wrong is the lack of elemental reset and slow teleports.

Evan has high% damage skills but is very lacking in the number of lines it can do, therefore it is outclassed by a majority of other mages. Sure, mages have flaws and such but damage doesn't mean everything, what matters is that you are enjoying the class. Who are you to tell us what mage is better for us, we can decide on our own thank you very much. It'd be great if you could stop commenting on mage forums in general, every forum you've commented on has become a trashtalk fest of other mages. Thanks and have a nice day.

@Balddd: We are not talking about hitting 50mil lines on kanna, That would probably take like over 5mil range to do that on endgame bosses. fp and evan can solo all the bosses besides the new boss that was just released so survivability doesn't matter. Kanna does not have elemental reset and fp and evan can do cap damage on endgame bosses with like 1/3 the range or less it would take for a kanna. fp mage have paralyze and it 1shots strong hold mobs with about 800k range. flamewheel on evan can kill most the map with 1 cast at stronghold and 1shots at around 700k range. Binds are helpful but high damage is way better than having a bind and you didn't mention luminous' bind.(Luminous without max funding is weak at bossing too and is really difficult to fund) IL Mage is garbage so it doesn't matter than it has a self bind that's doesn't do crap solo.

I am pretty sure it takes like 3-5times the funding to do the same damage as evan or fp on endgame bosses because kanna has lower damage to begin with and no elemental reset. We are not talking about 5mil or 10mil range kannas we are talking about normal mages up to about 2mil range. Corsair have a hurricane skill too and do way less dps than hurricane archer and phantom because they don't have strong final attack skills, I am pretty sure it is the same with kanna. Also just because the skill hits fast doesn't make it a hurricane skill, luminous spectral light for instance is garbage and judging by the way you described kannas skill being 5 lines im guessing it is probably more similar to that than an actual hurricane. I wouldn't know though, I haven't seen any good kanna dojo times or really any strong kannas at all on my server or even heard any mention of it being a strong class to play so I haven't really spent time learning the class other than when I leveled it for the link skill.

My friend is a kanna and she was pretty strong, she had like 300% or 400% int or something and she switched to evan and told me it is way stronger. I think kanna is lacking in single target damage either because of the attack speed of its bossing skill or because the % damage of it or lack of final attack skills and mobbing because of the cooldowns on its skills that hit more than 3 mobs.

Ima get my kanna 200. It does not seem strong solo without max funding but seems like a really good support and is an interesting class that I think might be fun to play.

@mark24: Lets see, Vanq Charm is a hurricane type skills which neither evan nor f/p have. Not to mention that Vanq Charm (with hypers) has 5 lines. Evan has higher base % ratio, and f/p's base is off the charts, however raw dps wise, Kanna is superior. A capping Kanna will always out-damage the rest. As far as visual range goes, Kanna is superior because of Haku - which by the way, prevents death a very good portion of the time, which is essential for bossing. Just looking at F/p, they have no real mobbing skill, and this post (originially) was questioned towards training, which means Kanna also superior in that aspect. As others have mentioned, Kanna also has 2 binds... Neither Evan nor F/p have one, the only other mage with a bind is I/L but it doesnt really count cause I/L cant attack while using their bind skill.

So where is Kanna lacking? Please, you have no idea what you're going on about.

[quote=loxiona]Well the problem is that dps is not everything when it comes to bossing, as not all bosses are straw dummies that you just beat on. Evans and F/P's do a lot of raw damage. The problem they have is that they don't have much to help them boss. Kanna's got heals, 80% stances, 2 binds, foxfires, and the blossom and bellflower barriers (even Shikigami charm and kishin can be helpful at certain bosses).

Kanna's damage is usually less than that of F/P or Evan. However, maplers looking soley at dps when judging a job on their bossing ability are making a mistake.[/quote]

The most important thing at bosses is damage by far. The second most important thing is having just enough survivability to survive them. Evan and fp have many skills that help them boss the most important being high damage skills/buffs. I am pretty sure fp and evan dmg isn't even comparable to a similar geared kanna.

[quote=mark24]What does kanna do well compared to other mage class with the same gears besides buffs? I am not talking about a kanna who hits cap neither. How does kannas single target and multi target dps compare to evan and fp?(these probably the only mages who are strong with less than max funding)[/quote]

Well the problem is that dps is not everything when it comes to bossing, as not all bosses are straw dummies that you just beat on. Evans and F/P's do a lot of raw damage. The problem they have is that they don't have much to help them boss. Kanna's got heals, 80% stances, 2 binds, foxfires, and the blossom and bellflower barriers (even Shikigami charm and kishin can be helpful at certain bosses).

Kanna's damage is usually less than that of F/P or Evan. However, maplers looking soley at dps when judging a job on their bossing ability are making a mistake.

[quote=fairystories]If you're saying this about kannas, you obviously played one and had [i]no idea[/i] what you were doing at the time. I looked at your list of players and your kanna sits at 120 wearing level 100 kanna equips...

You're forgetting that a lot of nice things come after 120... Same as any other class. And just like any other class, there are pros and cons to playing a kanna. It's all about being smart enough to work with what you're given. Aiya...[/quote]

All Hail *bows down*

OT: I feel like we're pretty well off in terms of utility and mobility in bossing since our animations don't lock us too long (cept for binds) and with speed boost our tele delay becomes manageable. Pot glitches and bugs with our max HP that exceeds the actual HP bar helps quite a bit in cvb and magnus to tank those 1hits. In terms of the sdh grind, once you achieve 1hits whether through raw range or %ignore, you are completely self sufficient in that you don't need pots/recharge/etc. The 3-mob limit on vc is a but annoying at times but the 15hit aura and ?-hit monkeys make up for it.

[quote=Business]Do you even realize how much binding helps at CRA/Magnus?
Kanna has 2 binding skills..[/quote]

Don't forget about Hard Hilla too

[quote=mark24]@Balddd: 500k buffed 1hits mobs on evan at sh. like 700k for all the other non support mages. Supports in general have low damage and that is just mobbing. That's why I don't get my kanna 200.[/quote]

If you're saying this about kannas, you obviously played one and had [i]no idea[/i] what you were doing at the time. I looked at your list of players and your kanna sits at 120 wearing level 100 kanna equips...

You're forgetting that a lot of nice things come after 120... Same as any other class. And just like any other class, there are pros and cons to playing a kanna. It's all about being smart enough to work with what you're given. Aiya...

[quote=mark24]@Balddd: What does kanna do well compared to other mage class with the same gears besides buffs? I am not talking about a kanna who hits cap neither. How does kannas single target and multi target dps compare to evan and fp?(these probably the only mages who are strong with less than max funding)[/quote]

Do you even realize how much binding helps at CRA/Magnus?
Kanna has 2 binding skills..

@Balddd: What does kanna do well compared to other mage class with the same gears besides buffs? I am not talking about a kanna who hits cap neither. How does kannas single target and multi target dps compare to evan and fp?(these probably the only mages who are strong with less than max funding)

@mark24: Range is different towards each class, 700k range on a i/l is completely different for a kanna. Kanna has a much easier time achieving higher visual range because of haku. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kannas are fully capable of everything all other classes are able to do. Kannas even excel in many areas.

@Balddd: 500k buffed 1hits mobs on evan at sh. like 700k for all the other non support mages. Supports in general have low damage and that is just mobbing. That's why I don't get my kanna 200.

[quote=mark24]I wish kanna was stronger. I hate that mages get all the supports and they weak af solo...[/quote]

I LOL'd at this statement. You dont know anything..

OT: If you're referring to 1 hitting the mobs, you'd probably need a ton of funding, but just to be useful in a party, 1m -1.5m range buffed is perfectly fine.

@Extravagance: When I would party grind at HoH, I was fine with a 400k range. So probably around that?

I wish kanna was stronger. I hate that mages get all the supports and they weak af solo...

[quote=lilazninja]Erm you don't really need a decent range if you get a party. Just attack with them and stay alive to make the most of your time there. If you want to solo I am not sure though. I have a 1m range and I am happy but I wouldnt know what you would consider effectively as a solo kanna[/quote]

Not solo but be able to at least kill mobs quickly enough

Erm you don't really need a decent range if you get a party. Just attack with them and stay alive to make the most of your time there. If you want to solo I am not sure though. I have a 1m range and I am happy but I wouldnt know what you would consider effectively as a solo kanna

title made me lol irl.

edit: I hear kanna are getting their %magic att skill turned into a party buff. I have also learned that with enough funding and a good fan kanna is actually really good and maybe the best mage with max funds.