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@Blackinup: The graphics arnt even that bad though. Its only cubic voxel which makes you automatically think it's bad minecraft copy of a game. Which is wrong since plenty of games with "bad" graphics are very popular games. If you actually taken a look at MS2 footage and you will see that the graphics really arnt that bad. In fact some of the images look very good despite being cubic.

It's alright now. There is a decline in active community and players. It is very solo based. Probably had like 1 or 2 conversations with someone over the last week or so. PQs are ok... if you're lower level good luck trying to find the right party.

@Chowder94: ahhh myb LOL

[quote=finalshot]Hey guys,[/quote]
Hi.
[quote=OP]I started playing maple 8 years ago and I have really enjoyed the game [b]in the past[/b].[/quote]
Bolded the part I felt was most important there. This game's changed a lot since then. That's obvious enough without me having to say it; eight years is a long time. But really, it's changed to the point where the game you enjoyed is dead. Consider this a new game that you're playing; don't look for the old things you loved, because they're gone. All the skills are different now. The people are different now. The content is different now. Not saying it's necessarily good or bad. Just different.
[quote=OP]However, due to university and other reasons I left maple for a few years. [b]Now that I have started working, I am thinking of returning to maple.[/b][/quote]
Personal opinion here -- if you've gotta play an MMO (instead of focusing on your career) make it one that's worthwhile. I don't believe this game is worthwhile. A game that forces you to spend real money to participate in its market system, when every other mmo (even the other ones run by nexon) lets you do it for free is not worthwhile. A game without an auction house in 2015, that, up until about a year ago, forced players to pay to search the fm with an owl, is not worthwhile. A game with so much unscheduled downtime that third party fansites were created solely to track and monitor when it occurs, because the company in charge is so off-the-ball that they won't notice the game's down until an hour or two has passed, is not worthwhile. By all means -- download it, give it a shot. But don't be so quick to dump 200 dollars into it. Dragon Nest was great when I played it a couple of years ago. Tera is pretty fun, too. Both are free games, both run better than maplestory, and both aren't anywhere near as bad about the free2play greed as maplestory.
[quote=OP] So my question is about maple's gaming population. I know the player base has been declining, but is the game still going to continue for a few more years? and what's the deal with maplestory2?[/quote]
Most of the servers are dead. Windia is still alive, but barely. Scania, too. Maybe there's a third one, but I don't know. All I do know is that last I played, I was able to get an fm spot in the 1-6 level without even trying, and in my years of playing (I started maybe eight or nine months before fourth job came out, for reference) that's never happened. Nexon's making money from people like you, who come back after eight years all hopped up on nostalgia, dump 200 dollars into the game because it looks like it used to back then, realize it's garbage, and then move on. There are also a few well off people who enjoy the game as it is now, because all they have to do to git gud is toss more money into it. Yeah, I'm generalizing. That's why I suggested trying it for yourself. That said, the game has a lot of other issues in terms of its stability, which nobody at HQ talks about or even tries to fix. It's an old game with a lot of crap piled into it over the years that nobody's cleaned out or wants to discuss dealing with in any way which makes me think (again, personal opinion time) that they're just waiting for the sequel to come out so they can move on. Like buying a new car instead of spending thousands of dollars to fix the beat up SUV in your garage.
[quote=OP]On a side note, I will probably play in YMCK or Windia and initially funding my character with 200 bucks, how much meso would I be able to get out of it?[/quote]
I'd do Windia if I were you. As for how far you can get on 200 dollars, it all depends on how you use it. Think of this game as a casino. You have cash to spend, but your success is still heavily determined by luck. You could cube gear, but the stats are randomized and you might get garbage. You could gach (don't), but the prizes are randomized and you might (definitely will) get garbage. You could spin the marvel wheel, but that's just more gambling. So much boils down to luck, which is fine, but just be prepared to lose that 200 dollars really fast unless you straight up violate the terms of service and sell NX to people. And even if you do that, good luck finding a buyer.

[quote=Blackinup]@Omniscient1: IDK about you but runescapes graphics were extremely good especially when it came out in their time. Saying that people don't like Ms2 just because it's 3D is a turnoff is not an excuse lol. @Chowder94 I agree with you it is about the gameplay but if the graphics are poor how are you going to attract anyone to play that specific game.[/quote]

I said stylized graphics are better than realistic because they look much better in the longrun. Team Fortress 2, Okami, Windwaker, and the Paper Marios were made long ago, and still look pretty good today held up against other games from their respective eras.

Stylization is simply pleasant to look at.

I'm agreeing with you, I just wanted to toss my two cents in.

@Omniscient1: IDK about you but runescapes graphics were extremely good especially when it came out in their time. Saying that people don't like Ms2 just because it's 3D is a turnoff is not an excuse lol. @Chowder94 I agree with you it is about the gameplay but if the graphics are poor how are you going to attract anyone to play that specific game.

[quote=Omniscient1]@Blackinup: No I said MS2 can't be a game that people play if the GAMEPLAY is not good. I never said graphics had a part in the game. Graphics have very little to any game. Again look at Runescape. FYI most people "hate" MS2 not bc of graphics. That's just an excuse that they use, but because it's not MS1 pre-bb nostalgia hard grind MS.[/quote]
Regardless of MS1/MS2's graphical style, it's the execution and polish of gameplay that really matters in the end. If a game looks realistic, but plays like garbage, it really will not hold up well.
This is why stylized games like Windwaker (The most common example) still look good by today's standards.

@Blackinup: No I said MS2 can't be a game that people play if the GAMEPLAY is not good. I never said graphics had a part in the game. Graphics have very little to any game. Again look at Runescape. FYI most people "hate" MS2 not bc of graphics. That's just an excuse that they use, but because it's not MS1 pre-bb nostalgia hard grind MS.

[quote=nhan1st]@Bobr @MMORPG I think there's too much derailing in this discussion, I summon thee.

On topic, I'd say you have nothing to lose investing a few hours in gameplay + download and install time. I'm pretty sure maplestory will be here for a few more years as it's still nexon large source of income, they won't shut it down before they shut down any other Nexon NA games.[/quote]

It was pretty civil.
Now the thread is going to get closed.

I would say play in Windia because it's a lot more populated. Many other worlds are pretty dead...

@Bobr @MMORPG I think there's too much derailing in this discussion, I summon thee.

On topic, I'd say you have nothing to lose investing a few hours in gameplay + download and install time. I'm pretty sure maplestory will be here for a few more years as it's still nexon large source of income, they won't shut it down before they shut down any other Nexon NA games.

@Omniscient1: I don't. But the fact that some people who like maple but aren't that excited about MS2 shows that graphics play a significant role in determining the outcome of a game. Either way you literally proved my point of MS2 could be a game not worth playing solely because of the graphics.

@Blackinup: And how do you know that's not going happen when MS2 comes out? lol. People are going play it then think "Hey this game is actually pretty good." Then suddenly an influx of players will come in. That's if the gameplay is actually good though. So far from the content given though the gameplay seems decent. Either way though you just proved my point that you actually need to play the game before calling it a terrible game.

@Omniscient1: The thing with Ms1 and Pokemon is because people grew up with those games so of course they would be interested in Ms2. Not going to lie when I was first saw Maplestory i steered clear away from it but then my friend told me how good it was and how it was the only game he played.

@Blackinup: If a stranger saw MS1 they would think it's a game for 4 yr olds as well. So what's the point? Lol. MapleStory in general was geared toward the kid crowd anyway. Just like pokemon and those type of games too. Eventually more adults started to get into those games more than kids so the games end up being not a children's game anymore.

[quote=Omniscient1]@finalshot: Again though graphics don't make the game. Look at runescape and how well it has done in the years its been out. Don't judge a book by it's cover. FYI MS1 looks like a game for kids as well. That's why everyone scared to buy NX in public or tell there friends they play the game.[/quote]

Lmfao my friends brought me into Windia. It's true graphics don't make the game but if other people were to look at the game right now they would think it's a game made for 4 year olds. The reason why you're probably saying this is because you, just like everyone else played and has a history with MS1 thus willing to try out MS2.

I'm having a lot of fun playing and I've played on and off since I was 9-10.

If you're going to come back, I'd go with Windia (not that I'm biased ). But really, it's got a much larger population from all that I hear.

[quote=finalshot]I like maplestory for its simplicity - that's all there is. A game that I can just sit down and play for an hour everyday while watching a video on the side.
Maplestory 2 has sub-par graphics for a 3D game and it looks like a platform game designed for kids. just my 2 cents[/quote]

My 2 cents as well. I've watched many MS2 videos to see beyond the graphics, but the game's direction is not my "cup of tea". I still like MS better, I guess each to their own.

@Chowder94:

You're right. There are events every so often that make it a bit easier to fund a character such as the treasure hunter event or the mapleversary events every May. I also agree, it's the developing aspect that is what many find most enjoyable about the game. I however feel like it's not the same game as it used to be because in the past, it was easy to make many characters and switch your funds between all of them however now a days, everything is untradeable and character bound. Leveling up from lv 1-200 is now a days a lot easier than it was back then. Leveling after 210 in my opinion is a waste of time and requires more work and effort than output.

Maplestory is sort of a lack of a challenge though compared to what it was back then. Leveling is a joke now a days as I've mentioned. They also simplified the transportation systems and killed off the need to even bother pqing and making new in game acquaintances for that matter. The only "challenge" that is left in game involves funding oneself. Back in the day, you really didn't need insane funding but rather needed the right connections to be able to enjoy end game content. Now a days, if you can't output enough damage, you're more or less unable to take on end game bosses without someone that could output high enough damage.

The game has shifted from focusing on the development of a character to focusing on the funding and amount of resources on a character. Anyone can get to level 200 now a days. Most people do not have enough range to take on end game tier bosses. The game has become more pay to win because it's all about the funds. There are no longer much need for support character roles outside of providing exp boosts to make training even faster. Most classes with enough funding can take on any boss.

The amount of time it takes to get to the point where one can fund themselves from scratch for the majority takes years given they don't get bored and fed up with the tedious style gameplay and take breaks every so often. Also, big guilds die and a lot of big name players quit on a monthly basis.

Picture or not, intolerance is intolerance. That was a kick below the belt as it insulted a group of poor unfortunate people that struggle on a daily basis. Clearly if you had any level of sensitivity for the subject, you wouldn't have went there as its flat out mean. You can disagree and troll my post but don't make fun of people who can't help their condition that they were born with. It's imature and disgusting.

[quote=betaboi101]@Chowder94:

No one parties in game in comparison to back in the day when it used to be easy to find willing people to party with. There are not enough players in game and if you play a certain timezone, good luck finding people to be there for you the majority of the time. Maplestory has become unfortunately a much more solo oriented game. Surely you can join a guild and find people willing to party with you but in reality to tackle any of the end game content, you need an attacker or two with enough funds to be able to take down the boss. Without those one or two people, it's next to impossible without hacks.

I've met plenty of great people back when I used to Ms frequently although over time, many people move on to bigger and better things and quit. I remember I took a break and came back midway through college over one break just to check up on old friends and 95% of my old guildies as well as buddy list quit. It's hard to find joy out of tedious and monotonous events and quests when your whole in game support team is constantly coming and going and you're trying to force superficial friendships with random guildies who come and go on a monthly basis.

Back in the day though it was possible to merch. You didn't need insane damage to take down horntail or zakum. Back in the day you can scroll a random weapon and if it ended up good, you could use it or sell it to fund an ENTIRE character.

Now a days, its near impossible to merch with free owls/ sites and hackers. Bossing on top tier bosses is damage oriented so you need to know the bosses patterns as well as have the necessary damage output in order to take it down. Spending money doesn't even guarantee anything as the implemented potential system is literally gambling for pixel stats. Lets just say that you can easily spend 200$ on a single equip cubing it and still end up with crap stats. Even back in the day when gachapon was a thing, the only equips that ever really costed 200$ were those broken 15 magic attack to 21 magic attack work gloves in mts or that 36 attack maple shield. Now a days, $200 won't even get you an end game equip.

I agree with putting time into it although I feel as though the amount of time to progress in a tedious grind of a game should not be months to years per equip. By that logic, Maplestory will be a never ending process and you'll waste your days Mapling killing the same mobs on a daily basis for years before being able to even attempt anything relevant. There are also many power creeps and new broken equips that are released via marvel machine every so often that kind of push back all of that effort that may have been made.

What does being an uneducated non employed eff up have to do with having kids? I'm not saying go out there and have kids now. I was saying I hoped you had an autistic kid because you are clearly not sensitive towards autistic children judging from that link you made before and someone like you could learn if you had someone in your life at one point in time that suffered from something such as autism.[/quote]

I get your POV, however, I disagree, because there are so many resources and ways to fund yourself now, that it's really just a lack of effort if you don't make an attempt at it. It seems like a huge insurmountable wall until you actually start doing and and realize "Hey, this isn't that hard at all." Half the fun of an MMO is gearing yourself up and seeing your character get stronger as you play more and more.
Friends will come and go, but unless you're playing on a completely dead server like Renegades or Khaini, you should have no trouble getting into an active guild and pairing up. Just because your specific circle of friends have made new characters before account buddy was a thing, or have moved on, doesn't mean that there aren't other people willing to play with you and gear up alongside you.
The point of an MMO, especially a Korean MMO, is to not gear up as quickly as possible, because then everybody would get bored of the lack of challenge.
The stronger you get, the easier it becomes to self-fund and once all your main gear is done, all that's left is cleaning up the odd piece of gear here and there.

There are even people here, right now, on basil that have played the game all the way to cap damage without spending more than pocket change on NX.

But I digress.

Also, some of my best friends are aspies, lol. I have nothing against them. It's just a picture, don't take it so hard.

All of this was just my two cents.

@finalshot: Again though graphics don't make the game. Look at runescape and how well it has done in the years its been out. Don't judge a book by it's cover. FYI MS1 looks like a game for kids as well. That's why everyone scared to buy NX in public or tell there friends they play the game.

Probably the best time to come back. There's a little thing you can register for before the 9th that gives you a small box of gifts in celebration of the upcoming Black Heaven patch (which also consists of a Resistance revamp). Also, 2x this weekend.

[quote=Omniscient1]WHy do you say it's going be a really bad game? Just bc the graphics arn't ESO, FFXIV, BF3 type of graphics? MS2 going have even far more content than MS1 has. Not to mention 3 types of real pvp modes and full user customization.[/quote]
I like maplestory for its simplicity - that's all there is. A game that I can just sit down and play for an hour everyday while watching a video on the side.
Maplestory 2 has sub-par graphics for a 3D game and it looks like a platform game designed for kids. just my 2 cents

@Chowder94:

No one parties in game in comparison to back in the day when it used to be easy to find willing people to party with. There are not enough players in game and if you play a certain timezone, good luck finding people to be there for you the majority of the time. Maplestory has become unfortunately a much more solo oriented game. Surely you can join a guild and find people willing to party with you but in reality to tackle any of the end game content, you need an attacker or two with enough funds to be able to take down the boss. Without those one or two people, it's next to impossible without hacks.

I've met plenty of great people back when I used to Ms frequently although over time, many people move on to bigger and better things and quit. I remember I took a break and came back midway through college over one break just to check up on old friends and 95% of my old guildies as well as buddy list quit. It's hard to find joy out of tedious and monotonous events and quests when your whole in game support team is constantly coming and going and you're trying to force superficial friendships with random guildies who come and go on a monthly basis.

Back in the day though it was possible to merch. You didn't need insane damage to take down horntail or zakum. Back in the day you can scroll a random weapon and if it ended up good, you could use it or sell it to fund an ENTIRE character.

Now a days, its near impossible to merch with free owls/ sites and hackers. Bossing on top tier bosses is damage oriented so you need to know the bosses patterns as well as have the necessary damage output in order to take it down. Spending money doesn't even guarantee anything as the implemented potential system is literally gambling for pixel stats. Lets just say that you can easily spend 200$ on a single equip cubing it and still end up with crap stats. Even back in the day when gachapon was a thing, the only equips that ever really costed 200$ were those broken 15 magic attack to 21 magic attack work gloves in mts or that 36 attack maple shield. Now a days, $200 won't even get you an end game equip.

I agree with putting time into it although I feel as though the amount of time to progress in a tedious grind of a game should not be months to years per equip. By that logic, Maplestory will be a never ending process and you'll waste your days Mapling killing the same mobs on a daily basis for years before being able to even attempt anything relevant. There are also many power creeps and new broken equips that are released via marvel machine every so often that kind of push back all of that effort that may have been made.

What does being an uneducated non employed eff up have to do with having kids? I'm not saying go out there and have kids now. I was saying I hoped you had an autistic kid because you are clearly not sensitive towards autistic children judging from that link you made before and someone like you could learn if you had someone in your life at one point in time that suffered from something such as autism.

MapleStory 1 still should be alive for a few more years. MapleStory 2 is a prequel to MapleStory 1 but the gameplay is in a 3D environment, Something like Super Mario 3D World as a action RPG with a cube like world. I think around 40 billion in Windia, but trading NX for mesos is still illegal. I suggest just throwing at least 2 bucks for the 90 day shop permit, you can get a pet from the rewards shop. If you have a high income then you can spend more if you want.

[quote=finalshot] Maple 2 seems like a really bad game, perhaps would work as a facebook game, but as a PC game? I just don't see how it's going to work now in 2015.[/quote]

WHy do you say it's going be a really bad game? Just bc the graphics arn't ESO, FFXIV, BF3 type of graphics? MS2 going have even far more content than MS1 has. Not to mention 3 types of real pvp modes and full user customization.

[quote=betaboi101]Those cheap in game methods only get you so far up until a point where the next part of upgrading will be a huge leap. If this was the case, many other people would have exceedingly high ranges while not spending a cent on the game to speed up the process. Also, event quests are extremely tedious and boring. Surely one could make billions in game off farming leaves from the Mapleversary. But how boring would you say spending hours upon hours of farming leaves and killing the same exact monsters would get? I personally am not one that enjoys tedious and monotonous tasks and I'm sure that many others feel the same way.[/quote]
Regardless of whether or not you enjoy doing it, the option is always there. Maybe you could grab a puffram from Tot and train up link skill mules or character cards while you're at it. Find ways to make it enjoyable for yourself. You can become strong with enough effort, and after a certain point it will become easy to fight end game bosses for drops with a decent party.

All you really need to enjoy yourself while playing the game is to get some friends and a good guild. It isn't difficult if you just try to do things instead of expecting to be spoon fed by Nexon every time something gets hard.

Even the Maplestory of the past required intense grinding and merching to get halfway decent. Good scrolls rarely dropped, or were given at a chance from gachapon. It's the same thing. Money will always make it easier, because why would you pay if it didn't, right? However, it is possible to git gud via in game means. Scrolling is no longer difficult seeing as everything has been streamlined with spell traces and starforce, and cubing is easier than ever by merching and buying the necessary materials. Obviously you have to go through more hoops if you don't pay, but it is not impossible whatsoever.

How can one expect to be good at a game if they don't try or put any time into it?

Edit: People spend time training, correct? Why can't people spend time farming items? They both lead to getting your character stronger, and it does not take months to get one good piece of equipment. With this last event of the treasure hunt I was able to spend a few hours for a couple of days farming treasure pieces, then once I gathered enough, I bought a hyper teleport rock with reward points, got a bunch of lucky days and clean slates, and perfected a sword, then I slapped on a unique potential scroll, and bam. No NX spent, and the weapon is practically end game material already.
It does not take nearly as much time as people think, and that's one main reason that stops a lot of people from even trying, then they come here on basilmarket to complain about it.

Edit2: The NEET thing was in response to your comment about having kids.

[quote=Chowder94]Rome was not built in a day, and neither is a character. There are so many cheap in game methods to increase your range that don't require you to spend a dime. Spell traces, star force, all of these things can be done by a player. You act as if regular console or PC games require the same amount of time as an MMO does. If you manage your time correctly, you can get a lot done in a few hours of playing Maple. What is the point of playing a game if you don't dedicate time to it? Maplestory literally hands out items from events that you can use to increase your range by completing easy quests. This game is not as difficult as you, and many other players, think it is. You guys just don't play smart.[/quote]

Those cheap in game methods only get you so far up until a point where the next part of upgrading will be a huge leap. If this was the case, many other people would have exceedingly high ranges while not spending a cent on the game to speed up the process. Also, event quests are extremely tedious and boring. Surely one could make billions in game off farming leaves from the Mapleversary. But how boring would you say spending hours upon hours of farming leaves and killing the same exact monsters would get? I personally am not one that enjoys tedious and monotonous tasks and I'm sure that many others feel the same way.

A game should not feel like a job. You should not have to spend a month farming leaves hourly each day just to earn a few billion of mesos in game. A few billion of mesos now a days won't even buy one an end game equip.. So a month of your time is not even worth one equip that could help boost your range substantially high enough to be able to have the damage output to take down top tier bosses.

So how many months would you say would it be fair to even be able to afford a single end game equip?

EDIT: you made a comment about neets before so..

[quote=betaboi101]In order to tank any of the chaos root bosses, you need either a few attackers with a ridiculously high range as well as attackers that know how to manuver around the attacking patterns of each boss. Even if you have a whole team worth of ametures with their 200kish ranges that knew the attack patterns of a boss to a t, they would not be able to output nearly enough damage to be able to successfully clear the boss in time.

To advance in MS involves either wasting money, hacking, or wasting time doing tedious and mindless daily quests/ bosses. Time = Money in reality and you can spend say five hours a day in Maple accomplishing next to nothing or 5 hours in any other video game out there probably beating a chunk of the game.[/quote]

Rome was not built in a day, and neither is a character. There are so many cheap in game methods to increase your range that don't require you to spend a dime. Spell traces, star force, all of these things can be done by a player. You act as if regular console or PC games require the same amount of time as an MMO does. If you manage your time correctly, you can get a lot done in a few hours of playing Maple. What is the point of playing a game if you don't dedicate time to it? Maplestory literally hands out items from events that you can use to increase your range by completing easy quests. This game is not as difficult as you, and many other players, think it is. You guys just don't play smart.

Edit:
Money speeds up the process, but is not necessary. And I'm sure if he wanted to buy other games or things with that money, he would. Someone else's spending is not yours to dictate.

Congratulations about grad school, but this is about videogames, and is irrelevant.

[quote=Chowder94]Progression is a thing.
A group of averagely funded people can do many things to increase the overall strength of the group, eventually being able to fight CRA effectively.
It's almost as if people who don't play an MMO the way it's intended to be played don't get very far, who would have ever thought?[/quote]

In order to tank any of the chaos root bosses, you need either a few attackers with a ridiculously high range as well as attackers that know how to manuver around the attacking patterns of each boss. Even if you have a whole team worth of ametures with their 200kish ranges that knew the attack patterns of a boss to a t, they would not be able to output nearly enough damage to be able to successfully clear the boss in time.

To advance in MS involves either wasting money, hacking, or wasting time doing tedious and mindless daily quests/ bosses. Time = Money in reality and you can spend say five hours a day in Maple accomplishing next to nothing or 5 hours doing MINDLESS boring farming types of skits on a daily basis; in any other video game out there probably beating a chunk of the game.

EDIT: Also, if he can earn everything in Maplestory if he played the game as it was designed to be played, what does spending $200 justify? $200 is the price of THREE xbox games; FIVe to SIX 3 ds games.

EDIT 2: and btw, in America, neet = an eff up and actually I'm in grad school and working part time

[quote=betaboi101]Averagely funded people can't chaos root abyss. The average range of the player base is probabaly pushing 100-200kish given that most people don't waste the money time or effort Mapling like some of the Maple addicts in denile.[/quote]
Progression is a thing.
A group of averagely funded people can do many things to increase the overall strength of the group, eventually being able to fight CRA effectively.
It's almost as if people who don't play an MMO the way it's intended to be played don't get very far, who would have ever thought?

[quote=Chowder94]How can you possibly be so bad at videogames? Git gud. It's so easy to make money and upgrade along the way, you don't need 2m-2m to do end game content if you have a few amateur guild members with you who are as strong as you are.

You don't have to 2M-2M NO CLOWN LE SOLO XD to enjoy the game's content. And it's certainly not difficult to get a party going of averagely funded people to be able to kill a boss. It's how it was done before those boss drops with the great set effects started circulating so commonly.

">Progression in hard and makes me play the game, spoon feed me!"[/quote]

Averagely funded people can't chaos root abyss. The average range of the player base is probably pushing 100-200kish given that most people don't waste the money time or effort Mapling like some of the Maple addicts in denile.

[quote=betaboi101]There's a difference between wasting 60$ on some xbox game vs spending 200$ on a game that is designed to force players to spend thousands or waste their lives farming event after event in order to be able to even touch any of the end game content. Don't be in denile, Maple used to be free to play then Nexon took advantage of their cubing system and other forms of money making gambling schemes to milk their unaware players into wasting thousands of dollars for no reason. Google micropay games. That's what Maplestory more or less has become.[/quote]

How can you possibly be so bad at videogames? Git gud. It's so easy to make money and upgrade along the way, you don't need 2m-2m to do end game content if you have a few amateur guild members with you who are as strong as you are.

You don't have to 2M-2M NO CLOWN LE SOLO XD to enjoy the game's content. And it's certainly not difficult to get a party going of averagely funded people to be able to kill a boss. It's how it was done before those boss drops with the great set effects started circulating so commonly.

">Progression is hard and makes me play the game, spoon feed me!"

[quote=Chowder94]Games in general are time wasting addictions. It doesn't make them any less fun. $200 is chump change for anyone with a decent job. It's like going to see movies frequently. It'll end after an hour or two, but the money you spent isn't wasted if you had a good time with it.
Same thing different media.[/quote]

There's a difference between wasting 60$ on some xbox game vs spending 200$ on a game that is designed to force players to spend thousands or waste their lives farming event after event in order to be able to even touch any of the end game content. Don't be in denile, Maple used to be free to play then Nexon took advantage of their cubing system and other forms of money making gambling schemes to milk their unaware players into wasting thousands of dollars for no reason. Google micropay games. That's what Maplestory more or less has become.

It costs 60$ to enjoy all of the content in the xbox game. It costs THOUSANDS of dollars to be able to solo chaos vellum.

[quote=betaboi101]Because I'm trying to save the kid $200 and from an uneeded potentially time wasting addiction that is not worth it </3[/quote]

Games in general are time wasting addictions. It doesn't make them any less fun. $200 is chump change for anyone with a decent job. It's like going to see movies frequently. It'll end after an hour or two, but the money you spent isn't wasted if you had a good time with it.
Same thing different media.

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[b]>[i]Having kids[/i][/b]
[b]>[i]In 2015[/i][/b]

lel, being a NEET is really neat.

[quote=Chowder94]Why are you in every single thread about this sort of thing? [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Autism_Speaks_Logo.jpg]And you always post the exact same thing, too.[/url]

OT: Yeah, come back OP. It's fun, just join a guild and make friends.[/quote]

Because I'm trying to save the kid $200 and from an uneeded potentially time wasting addiction that is not worth it </3

Also, how dare you make fun of autism. I hope your kid in the future is autistic.

[quote=betaboi101]@finalshot:

I mean Ms1 was good years ago but has become pay to win and infested with hackers to the point where there is almost no community left. I honestly am not a fan of Nexon games because all of them are money making schemes. If you want to play a Nexon game, hack just to stick it to them and since they clearly don't care.[/quote]
Why are you in every single thread about this sort of thing? [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Autism_Speaks_Logo.jpg]And you always post the exact same thing, too.[/url]

OT: Yeah, come back OP. It's fun, just join a guild and make friends.

@finalshot:

I mean Ms1 was good years ago but has become pay to win and infested with hackers to the point where there is almost no community left. I honestly am not a fan of Nexon games because all of them are money making schemes. If you want to play a Nexon game, hack just to stick it to them and since they clearly don't care.

[quote=betaboi101]It's not worth it. The game is dead and there are more hackers and botters than there are paying players. Nexon has more or less dragged the game out and will more than likely eventually shut the game down depending on how well Maple 2 does.[/quote]

Maple 2 seems like a really bad game, perhaps would work as a facebook game, but as a PC game? I just don't see how it's going to work now in 2015.

It's not worth it. The game is dead and there are more hackers and botters than there are paying players. Nexon has more or less dragged the game out and will more than likely eventually shut the game down depending on how well Maple 2 does.

just log into the game and try it out? No one can tell you what your likes or not likes. The game is more solo base now and if that's something you be interested then you will probably enjoy it. Just play the game till 100 since that takes like a day now. By then you can see if its something you like or not.

[quote=feared123]Pretty sure your 200 bucks will be better else where.[/quote]

Haha I know what you mean, but I've wasted way more money on bad console games like destiny or watch dogs. Plus $200 is like my salary for a day, that's the amount of money I am willing to spend on entertainment. I like maplestory for its simplicity, just curious about it's current status.

Pretty sure your 200 bucks will be better else where.

Once you come back, you never go black

Around 40bil.