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@Green4EVER: Uhh... then help me understand the logic? Also you act like no one wants to hit 250 or just level up. Training isn't so bad.

[quote=Singaporean]Because capping is end game to me. Once you cap what else are you going to do besides train? It makes zero sense to continue funding if you cap on all bosses. It is just a waste of money to continue pouring funds into a character at that point. Every single non-mage class i've played has capped speed with ease so the speed and jump on ring isn't really needed. It also isn't justified for mages imo. You'd be better off relying on some bonus pot and inner for speed/jump. My jump got maxed because of my inner and my speed is like 126. I'm not worried because I can just make it up getting matk or %int on my bonus pot.[/quote]

>train
lol k

You clearly won't ever understand the logic so I'm not going to waste my time on the topic anymore.

@Green4EVER: Because capping is end game to me. Once you cap what else are you going to do besides train? It makes zero sense to continue funding if you cap on all bosses. It is just a waste of money to continue pouring funds into a character at that point. Every single non-mage class i've played has capped speed with ease so the speed and jump on ring isn't really needed. It also isn't justified for mages imo. You'd be better off relying on some bonus pot and inner for speed/jump. My jump got maxed because of my inner and my speed is like 126. I'm not worried because I can just make it up getting matk or %int on my bonus pot.

[quote=Singaporean]Nah. I consider even 12th star a waste atm. i'd rather just wait for kms. speed and jump are nothing and can be attained by practically every class bar some mages. Also for the stars, no booms are like 1.5b in windia. One of those and some guardians is less than 10b. Not many people can fit in your shoes. People attaining the pinnacle of end game equips are less than 0.5% of the maple population. There's no way anyone should be concerning themselves with an lgr unless they've got everything already. Even then, if you cap already then it's just that much more of a waste. In fact, you can cap without lgr so it is indeed a waste.[/quote]

Speed and jump are extremely important. It can save several seconds in Dojo as well as making dodging loads easier at several bosses. Without my LGR I wouldn't be at max speed/jump. Using potions or Decent Haste are both a pain in the ass.
The main cost of Enhancing Tyrants comes from the Guardians. Sometimes it can take over 100k NX to pass 1 star, which is already beyond the 10b mark even if you ignore the cost of the No Boom.

You're still ignoring the main point of the discussion: end-game perspective. Why bother playing at all if you just want to cap and nothing more? Where's the incentive to keep playing? For many people, there is none.

@Green4EVER:
Nah. I consider even 12th star a waste atm. i'd rather just wait for kms. speed and jump are nothing and can be attained by practically every class bar some mages. Also for the stars, no booms are like 1.5b in windia. One of those and some guardians is less than 10b. Not many people can fit in your shoes. People attaining the pinnacle of end game equips are less than 0.5% of the maple population. There's no way anyone should be concerning themselves with an lgr unless they've got everything already. Even then, if you cap already then it's just that much more of a waste. In fact, you can cap without lgr so it is indeed a waste.

[quote=Singaporean]It is a waste. You can save that money for something that has more of an impact to your range. Come on... 16 att? That's just goofy. You also have that awful effect following you forever. If someone gets an lgr, my advice is to sell it and use the money on something better.[/quote]

16 Attack is only 1 less Attack than what the 12th star on a Tyrant equip provides. I know people, myself included, who have spent well over 10b on a single star on their Tyrant equip(s), and I'm sure you do as well. That must be a waste too, right? No other ring (that can have potential) comes with 12+ all stats as a base either, and the speed/jump is nice for classes that don't have a passive skill to give them the speed/jump.
From an end game perspective, which was the entire point of the post your originally respnded to, it is well worth the cost.

[quote=finfin]Okay, I get your point. Of course I know fafnir/cRA + tyrants are the way to go. But I'm trying to go for a different route here, it's all because of the funding. I just want improvements on minimal funding. [b]What I want here is simply to improve with what I already had, the empress[/b]. I don't intend to replace them because I have decided to direct all my funds to the BW from now on (yes, the BW is definitely doing fafnir/cra + tyrants).

Also, I don't care about the nerf if that even matters.

So, would you kindly tell me what kind of transposition I can make, instead of just asking me not to do anything but replace with cRA?[/quote]

So, let me get this straight, you're trying to use SW because you think it saves mesos? I'm sorry, you're crazy. SW equips are around 1 B apiece, and it costs 200-300 M worth of denaro per transposition.

Look, it's simple. If you actually care about upgrading, get Tyrants/CRA.. If you don't want to use Tyrants/CRA, then give up on getting more range. If you're trying to save mesos, SW is the wrong way to go. Either you care about your Phantom enough to put down 20 B, or you don't. SW isn't going to add enough range to justify the cost of the pieces+transposition. You're way past the point of marginal improvements, everything you throw in now is wasted.

[quote=Axnslicer]There is no dilemma. You're totally misguided. A person who's still using Empress has no business at all talking about SW sets. SW is meant as the capstone of a endgame set, only for the people who are extremely rich and can afford to blow 10-15 B on making their 12-15 star Tyrant permanently untradeable for just a minor damage increase. And remember that Phantoms get their damage heavily nerfed soon, making transposing even more foolish.

Replace your Empress cape and shoes with Tyrants. Then switch to Fafnir/CRA when you can find decent deals. I doubt you'll have any mesos left to spend incorrectly after that.[/quote]

Okay, I get your point. Of course I know fafnir/cRA + tyrants are the way to go. But I'm trying to go for a different route here, it's all because of the funding. I just want improvements on minimal funding. [b]What I want here is simply to improve with what I already had, the empress[/b]. I don't intend to replace them because I have decided to direct all my funds to the BW from now on (yes, the BW is definitely doing fafnir/cra + tyrants).

Also, I don't care about the nerf if that even matters.

So, would you kindly tell me what kind of transposition I can make, instead of just asking me not to do anything but replace with cRA?

@AntiSenpai: It's not bad because you made it good. I'm not dictating to you to spend ur money elsewhere. I'm just telling you the facts. LGR is IN FACT a waste of money. That's it. I can make a 22+ att bonus pot meister ring with 39% luk and 6 att scrolled. In fact, mine is 6 matk with 10 matk bonus pot and 15% int. I can easily make it on par with yours AND still get the 10% hp to combo with meister shoulder. Stating potential/bonus potential/scrolled slots to show off an lgr is nonsensical as those can be achieved on any ring. The only thing people pay 10 - 15b for lgr for is the attack which is 16. It is a waste of money. That said, the fact that you chose to get one means it is not a waste to you.

@Singaporean: Yet mine is 6 att scrolled, 22+ att on bonus pot and 39% luk, that's not something I'd want to get rid of for some silly 10% Hp, but then that is just me and I happen to like the little effect. So, to you it is a waste and possibly to others, but to myself and others it's not that bad. Also, side note, It's my money, If I want to "waste" it, It's all good. ^^

@AntiSenpai: It is a waste. You can save that money for something that has more of an impact to your range. Come on... 16 att? That's just goofy. You also have that awful effect following you forever. If someone gets an lgr, my advice is to sell it and use the money on something better.

[quote=finfin]I am having a huge dilemma here with my end-game equips.
I am currently a phantom with 1.9m range buffed, these are my current equip:

Empress: Hat, Overall, Shoes, Cape, Shoulder (5 sets gives me nothing significant)
Glove: Hero's glove or Mu gong's glove depends on how my dojo went.
*Note that even though the 6th empress piece (glove) gives me extra 30wa and 30% boss, dojo gloves is still better, which is why I am doing the above combination
Gollux: Ring, Pendant, Pendant, Earring
Belt: Tyrant
Weapon: SW
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There is no dilemma. You're totally misguided. A person who's still using Empress has no business at all talking about SW sets. SW is meant as the capstone of a endgame set, only for the people who are extremely rich and can afford to blow 10-15 B on making their 12-15 star Tyrant permanently untradeable for just a minor damage increase. And remember that Phantoms get their damage heavily nerfed soon, making transposing even more foolish.

Replace your Empress cape and shoes with Tyrants. Then switch to Fafnir/CRA when you can find decent deals. I doubt you'll have any mesos left to spend incorrectly after that.

[quote=Singaporean]zzz
You chose the wrong set to perfect. The best thing to do is to get a clean faf cane and wait for event unique pots and event scrolls to perfect.
The best shoulder is Meister shoulder. Use that in combination with the ring for 10% hp and mp.
If your gollux are not perfected, you can get a scarlet ring for those times where your 2nd pendant slot runs out.
This way, you can now get tyrant shoes and cape.

The reason people do CRA set is because it's minimal gear (4) which means room for important items (tyrant)
LGR sucks. Do no listen to anyone and waste over 10b on 16 attack. Just wear a meister ring for the extra hp and mp.
In the end, stat wins out.[/quote]

About the LGR, it's not a waste if you can afford it. ^^

zzz
You chose the wrong set to perfect. The best thing to do is to get a clean faf cane and wait for event unique pots and event scrolls to perfect.
The best shoulder is Meister shoulder. Use that in combination with the ring for 10% hp and mp.
If your gollux are not perfected, you can get a scarlet ring for those times where your 2nd pendant slot runs out.
This way, you can now get tyrant shoes and cape.

The reason people do CRA set is because it's minimal gear (4) which means room for important items (tyrant)
LGR sucks. Do no listen to anyone and waste over 10b on 16 attack. Just wear a meister ring for the extra hp and mp.
In the end, stat wins out.

Sw suit (since you have the overall)
sw hat
sw weapon (already using this)
sw cape (transpose a tyrant cape for the extra stat boost/ att or use you empress one for now and eventually transpose a tyrant cape once the new enhancement system is out and higher level capes flood the market <since after 8 stars there is a boom rate but tyrant capes are so common to the point where people would be better off gunning for high stars on them with no risk of loss given how common most tyrant capes are&gt. If we get the new enhancement system, tyrant capes will be a lot cheaper with more stars opposed to other tyrant equips that are more risky to enhance given the boom rate at 8+ stars.

The 4 set is initially the best option. You can substitute the cape for gloves though tyrant gloves have more potential than sw gloves (given you get better gloves to dojo which seems kind of pointless). If you go with tyrant gloves, I wouldn't even bother gunning for dojo ones.

So it should be in the end:

Hat: Prime Scrolled Root Abyss Hat Transposed into Sweet Water
Top: Prime Scrolled Root Abyss Top
Bottom: Prime Scrolled Root Abyss Bottom
Cape:Transposed Tyrant Cape (12-15 Stars)
Shoes:Transposed Tyrant Shoes (12-15 Stars)
Gloves: Transposed Tyrant Gloves (12-15 Stars)
Rings: Solid/Reinforced/Superior Gollux-Lightening God Ring
Totems: Sengoku
Badge:Ghost Ship Exorcist
Face: Sweet Water (Prime Scrolled)
Eye: Sweet Water (Prime Scrolled)
Weapon: Fafnir/Empress/Japanese/Terminus Fully scrolled with Prime scrolls, Transposed into Sweet Water
Pocket: RED Pocket Equip (?)
Pendant: Superior Gollux x's 2
Earrings: Superior Gollux

u make it sound like a perf-weapon is 99% of the player's damage.
seeing as how a perf is only 300krange more compared to my clean faf. two more gollux rings + better potted card can do u so much more in the mean time.
imo a full set is dumb since a top-bot combination is much better than a full sw set.
in terms of potential, 3lines vs 6lines.

p.s. u'll have a low chance of hero's gloves.

I was in the same situation as you a whole back. I recommend aiming for option 3, with tyrant gloves around now, transposing a set of SW from tyrant gloves is amazing cause SW's base stats are better than tyrant's base stats. I believe 7 stars, +12 atk, good leg pot beats dojo gloves, sure it has boss damage, but there are tons of other ways to get more boss damage. If you really think you need more, go for 2 lines of boss damage on your weapon or secondary, then put boss damage nebs on, and utilize guild noblesse skill for boss damage, and buy/make advanced boss rush potions. Option 3 is ultimately the best way to add chunks of atk and stat which goes nicely with %. If you think of it in this perspective (10 stat x 200%= 2000 stat, but 50 stat x 100%=5000 stat) my point is that balance matters, so adding more base stat will go well with high percentages of stat and atk.

shoe>hat>suit I guess

If your hat isnt that good, you can always use those chaos RA hats.