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@deedvanickv3: Slavery was minimized after Islam, Many muslims freed slaves they owned prior to conversion.

Islam was against the pagans, and according to our history, the kaaba never belonged to the pagans.... it belonged to Abraham, another prophet of Allah we believe in.

Like i said before, the caliphate wasnt even legitimate...."self proclaimed elected leaders" >_>

Like i said previously as well, the majority of the muslims dont follow the teachings truthfully.
Show me a verse in the Quran, in proper context that encourages unprovoked war on others....

Like i said, most supposedly muslim rulers back then didnt follow the teachings of the quran, otherwise they'd have let the other religions live peacefully by themselves....
Like i said before..... the islam you see 85% of the world's muslims follow isnt the islam that's preached in the quran....
You may not have heard of the sunni--shia conflict.
If you were to take a few hours of your time and impartially research that, you'd probably come to the same conclusion as i did.....

Also, well, you cant make a decisive decision based on the translation, you've got to see the original text, word for word, which is subtly, yet importantly different (in very crucial points) from the many different translations we have, which are being mass distributed by the saudis &co.

About Babur, many people/rulers have done things and brought blame onto islam as they were muslim, in name atleast.

You should further research the sects within islam , if you're to try and make a conclusive decision on the religion, as, from what i can observe, you've only looked at the caliphate following side of islam.

I'm not trying to sound superior, but please do research more deeply before making such statements.

P.S. You will find, that a small minority of the muslims have followed the true peaceful non violent teachings of islam for over 1400 years, while the other side (majority) manipulated the masses into believing their own version.

Got to study for an exam, peace.

I don't think the religion is ever specified in the job description lol.

in any case some of the bishop moves wouldn't match up with Christianity either

It's just a game. What you do in a game won't affect what your religion actually does.

What if you're playing RuneScape and you pray? (Just out of curiousity)

Just dont use Genesis and Bless or Angel Ray

[quote=CrayonScribble]I read: http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Islam-Crusades/dp/0895260131 Which cites multiple texts and various sources including the Qu'ran and it's translations in context and as a whole. As well as the English translation of the Qu'ran.[/quote]

....which is where the problem comes in.
I hate to be saying this, but, most translations of the quran, and other books, such as narrations, etc, are intentionally mistranslated.
So are many of the books published on islam....
This is exactly the reason why i started researching my own religion.... as it didnt make sense...

reading books written from a biased perspective without considering all angles f3, troll?@crayonscribble:

many people, who claim to be well known islamic scholars, are just saudi's.
Also, i dunno if you're trolling mike, f3, but that book you provided doesnt provide accurate references.
It references snippets of mistranslated verses, which, can easily mislead someone.

No, you'll get banned and disowned.

[quote=Dacarlover]Oh mike, it's the opposite of what i am.
I come from srilanka, a place where western mentality has no place amidst the wahhabi mentality .
Honestly, I started researching what you call the "true islam" and found many contradictions in what the sunnis believe in.
This led to more and more research, which led to the realization that the majority of the world's muslims, are in my opinion, misguided.....
This may sound elitist, but, I honestly cant stress more, that, these have no true basis.

If you were to actually look up the references your sources give you, and compare what they say with the original arabic word for word translation of what ever their reference is, you wont find any similarity.
I've had this talk with many muslims, who still refuse to believe that they're following the misinterpretation of islam.

if you understood arabic, and had read the quran/researched it, (not solely for religious purposes) you would understand my point...[/quote]

I read: http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Islam-Crusades/dp/0895260131 Which cites multiple texts and various sources including the Qu'ran and it's translations in context and as a whole. As well as the English translation of the Qu'ran.

[quote=CrayonScribble]You are believing what is called apologist and reformist Islamic beliefs.

If you actually read the Qu'ran it preaches war - of course you don't like the sound of that due to the Western influence and its effects on your mentality - but it's the truth. Those radical clerics are the ones teaching the true Islamic belief, and you're believing what is known to be apologist and reformist Islam, just like some Christain pastors saying it's okay to have sex before marriage.[/quote]

Oh mike, it's the opposite of what i am.
I come from srilanka, a place where western mentality has no place amidst the wahhabi mentality .
Honestly, I started researching what you call the "true islam" and found many contradictions in what the sunnis believe in.
This led to more and more research, which led to the realization that the majority of the world's muslims, are in my opinion, misguided.....
This may sound elitist, but, I honestly cant stress more, that, these have no true basis.

If you were to actually look up the references your sources give you, and compare what they say with the original arabic word for word translation of what ever their reference is, you wont find any similarity.
I've had this talk with many muslims, who still refuse to believe that they're following the misinterpretation of islam.

if you understood arabic, and had read the quran/researched it, (not solely for religious purposes) you would understand my point...

[quote=Dacarlover]I can give you examples from what i remember off the top of my head.

Adultery: Many muslims claim that the punishment is stoning to death.
The actual verse states that, that stoning to death punishment applies only when two witnesses have actually witnessed the sex.
Unless we're all voyeurs , which we arent, it's impossible to apply this rule, and it's main purpose is only to make people aware of the danger of adultery. (we consider is a major sin)

Arms off for thievery : The verse states that "if he doesnt repent" as in, the robber should be given a chance to redeem himself, explaining his actions, and if ALL of it fails to provide a valid explaination/vow to not steal again, then the arm is to be cut.
It may seem very brutal, but the main purpose, as before isn't to punish, rather to serve as a reminder, to warn people against it.
The problem these days is that many so called islamic states are very trigger happy.
THey jump at the first opportunity to hang/behead/whatnot a person claiming it's sharia.

A man is allowed to beat the wife: The actual verse states that if the wife is trying to rebel (on her ownwithout provocation/mistreatment) then the man is to reprimand her verbally.
The problem lies with the origin of the rumour, arab/asian countries.
Prior to Islam, women were treated like trash, and whoever who converted to Islam, stopped it somewhat.
The thing is, among these people, were the opportunists, who, on seeing this verse, intentionally misinterpreted it to suit their age old "customs" of wife torture.
No offence to anyone, but, this carried on into the uneducated arab and asian world, where these misinterpretations suited their barbaric ways ideally, hence , they promoted it.

Jizyah :The verse you are referring to, 9:29, was not related in anyway. That was basically a tax, for whenever a stat came under muslim protection.
when they fought wars and conquered land, the islamic rule was not to massacre the land, as was common in those days, but to try and protect the people.
(which, ironically is the opposite most muslim (saudi, etc) states do)

Once again, this is what you hear from the majority of the radical clerics.
The true message of the quran isnt what you see "muslims" do today.
Most of those on the outside are under the impression that the quran teaches violence.
If anyone ever took the time to actually investigate these claims for self correctness, they would find themselves wholly wrong.
The only time when the Quran speaks about attacking others, is in self defense, when attacked.

the problem is, MANY of the majority on today's muslim population, don't actually double check what they're being taught.
Instead, they choose to blindly follow without any research on their part.

I dont like name calling, but, in all honesty, if you were to research Islam properly, you would find that the MAJORITY of today's muslims are going right against the teachings of the quran.
Some knowingly do it nevertheless. Why? to spite the sunni-shia conflict, which has spanned since the beginning of islam's roots.[/quote]

You are believing what is called apologist and reformist Islamic beliefs.

If you actually read the Qu'ran it preaches war - of course you don't like the sound of that due to the Western influence and its effects on your mentality - but it's the truth. Those radical clerics are the ones teaching the true Islamic belief, and you're believing what is known to be apologist and reformist Islam, just like some Christain pastors saying it's okay to have sex before marriage.

[quote=freezstyle7]Ok since Im lost I decided to just play it safe and not make a priest[/quote]

LOL, ok a7san

Ok since Im lost I decided to just play it safe and not make a priest

Wow, interesting. I don't see how a game could at all influence religion.

[quote=Dacarlover]What mike was saying is incorrect, frankly speaking.
What is not allowed in the religion isnt playing a game, but mindless waste of time (we all do that f3)
From an "i want to play maple" point of view, there's nothing "haram" in playing the character of a cleric/priest/bishop. those are just the english words for someone working at a religious place of worship, regardless of religion, although most muslims use the arabic words, like imam, etc.

From a more religious point of view, if you're THAT worried about playing a priest going against islam, i think you're better off not playing maple at all =.=

Spreading islam by the sword, jizyah, have no basis in the Quran. Not tryint to hide anything, but the problem i see here is that, due to the many misconceptions spread about islam, muslims themselves arent aware of the true facts about their religion.

The quran has absolutely no verse referring to the spreading of islam by the sword, as a matter of fact, it states the opposite.
It forbids the force of religion upon others, stating it's their right to believe what they want.

I've read the Quran twice, fully, in arabic + translation, and from that, i can tell you, many things, such as the death penalty for adultery , etc, etc are far milder than what most muslim clerics/lecturers make it out to be.

MANY muslims are unaware of these facts, and thus, spread the word unaware of the falsehood they're spreading.
That is in terms of how you take it.
That specific verse refers to the false leaders who try to teach false preachings, etc.[/quote]

I can give you examples from what i remember off the top of my head.

Adultery: Many muslims claim that the punishment is stoning to death.
The actual verse states that, that stoning to death punishment applies only when two witnesses have actually witnessed the sex.
Unless we're all voyeurs , which we arent, it's impossible to apply this rule, and it's main purpose is only to make people aware of the danger of adultery. (we consider is a major sin)

Arms off for thievery : The verse states that "if he doesnt repent" as in, the robber should be given a chance to redeem himself, explaining his actions, and if ALL of it fails to provide a valid explaination/vow to not steal again, then the arm is to be cut.
It may seem very brutal, but the main purpose, as before isn't to punish, rather to serve as a reminder, to warn people against it.
The problem these days is that many so called islamic states are very trigger happy.
THey jump at the first opportunity to hang/behead/whatnot a person claiming it's sharia.

A man is allowed to beat the wife: The actual verse states that if the wife is trying to rebel (on her ownwithout provocation/mistreatment) then the man is to reprimand her verbally.
The problem lies with the origin of the rumour, arab/asian countries.
Prior to Islam, women were treated like trash, and whoever who converted to Islam, stopped it somewhat.
The thing is, among these people, were the opportunists, who, on seeing this verse, intentionally misinterpreted it to suit their age old "customs" of wife torture.
No offence to anyone, but, this carried on into the uneducated arab and asian world, where these misinterpretations suited their barbaric ways ideally, hence , they promoted it.

Jizyah :The verse you are referring to, 9:29, was not related in anyway. That was basically a tax, for whenever a stat came under muslim protection.
when they fought wars and conquered land, the islamic rule was not to massacre the land, as was common in those days, but to try and protect the people.
(which, ironically is the opposite most muslim (saudi, etc) states do)
[quote=CrayonScribble]Many people nowadays are learning about the Islamic religion through apologist or reformist leaders whom have altered the Islamic faith to confrom to societal values that exist in the present; deviating away from the true message of the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran teaches of war and violence - the Islamic faith spread through war and violence. [/quote]

Once again, this is what you hear from the majority of the radical clerics.
The true message of the quran isnt what you see "muslims" do today.
Most of those on the outside are under the impression that the quran teaches violence.
If anyone ever took the time to actually investigate these claims for self correctness, they would find themselves wholly wrong.
The only time when the Quran speaks about attacking others, is in self defense, when attacked.

the problem is, MANY of the majority on today's muslim population, don't actually double check what they're being taught.
Instead, they choose to blindly follow without any research on their part.

I dont like name calling, but, in all honesty, if you were to research Islam properly, you would find that the MAJORITY of today's muslims are going right against the teachings of the quran.
Some knowingly do it nevertheless. Why? to spite the sunni-shia conflict, which has spanned since the beginning of islam's roots.

[quote=MyNaginata]You're assuming that priest refers to a Christian priest. There's nothing that says that a Maplestory priest is definitely supposed to be a Christian priest, so one could say a Maplestory priest is a secular priest of sorts. With magical powers influenced by "holy" concepts. I really doubt that there's anything wrong with a Muslim, or any non-Christian for that matter, playing as a priest.[/quote]
ok, I guess that means I can make a priest. Thank you for answering

[quote=cocobenz]OH MY GOD (religious pun?)
Is this thread serious?
TS is obviously trolling..[/quote]
I hate when people think every thread is a trolling one.....
@Aaronaran well I guess that the "doctor" thing is correct since were healing them HP not "spiritually"

Ok, I sort of agree with a "priest" being an "Imam" but what about bishop? Im pretty sure we muslims dont have a "bishop" of Islam.

Priests fall under many religions.

[quote=Dacarlover]What mike was saying is incorrect, frankly speaking.
What is not allowed in the religion isnt playing a game, but mindless waste of time (we all do that f3)
From an "i want to play maple" point of view, there's nothing "haram" in playing the character of a cleric/priest/bishop. those are just the english words for someone working at a religious place of worship, regardless of religion, although most muslims use the arabic words, like imam, etc.

From a more religious point of view, if you're THAT worried about playing a priest going against islam, i think you're better off not playing maple at all =.=

[/quote]

The Qu'ran specifically states you are not to roleplay a religious leader if you are not one including if you pretend your preist is an Islamic priest.

[quote=freezstyle7]Ok im totally lost now. Paladon had an answer with proof but everyone else who has serious answers said your allowed[/quote]

What mike was saying is incorrect, frankly speaking.
What is not allowed in the religion isnt playing a game, but mindless waste of time (we all do that f3)
From an "i want to play maple" point of view, there's nothing "haram" in playing the character of a cleric/priest/bishop. those are just the english words for someone working at a religious place of worship, regardless of religion, although most muslims use the arabic words, like imam, etc.

From a more religious point of view, if you're THAT worried about playing a priest going against islam, i think you're better off not playing maple at all =.=

[quote=omransms]I'm a Muslim and I totally agree with you. [/quote]

[quote=CrayonScribble]
LOL, and it is punishable by death - but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. Being punished by death isn't radical - it's traditional. According to the literal teachings of the Qu'ran Muslims are supposed to conquer the world by sword and charge Jizya (tax) to all non-Muslims. Of course the apologist Muslim community denounces this teaching but traditionally speaking according to the prophet - it is what Muslims should do.

Many people nowadays are learning about the Islamic religion through apologist or reformist leaders whom have altered the Islamic faith to confrom to societal values that exist in the present; deviating away from the true message of the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran teaches of war and violence - the Islamic faith spread through war and violence. However since that is no longer possible - many Islamic leaders have tried to curb the violence in the faith to try spread it through peace and word.

However if you take the true Islamic religion to be what is written in the Qu'ran it is a SIN and is PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. [/quote]

Spreading islam by the sword, jizyah, have no basis in the Quran. Not tryint to hide anything, but the problem i see here is that, due to the many misconceptions spread about islam, muslims themselves arent aware of the true facts about their religion.

The quran has absolutely no verse referring to the spreading of islam by the sword, as a matter of fact, it states the opposite.
It forbids the force of religion upon others, stating it's their right to believe what they want.

I've read the Quran twice, fully, in arabic + translation, and from that, i can tell you, many things, such as the death penalty for adultery , etc, etc are far milder than what most muslim clerics/lecturers make it out to be.

MANY muslims are unaware of these facts, and thus, spread the word unaware of the falsehood they're spreading.

[quote=CrayonScribble]The Qu'ran specifically states you are not to roleplay a religious leader if you are not one including if you pretend your preist is an Islamic priest.[/quote]

That is in terms of how you take it.
That specific verse refers to the false leaders who try to teach false preachings, etc.

[quote=Dacarlover]Not to denounce ur statement mike, but, not everything is punishable by death, (including what you mentioned).
These are misconceptions spread by un informed / more radical thinking clerics, and doesnt match the actual text.
Off topic, pls rebuddy lcyaranbros if possible ><, my entire BL got deleted [/quote]

LOL, and it is punishable by death - but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. Being punished by death isn't radical - it's traditional. According to the literal teachings of the Qu'ran Muslims are supposed to conquer the world by sword and charge Jizya (tax) to all non-Muslims. Of course the apologist Muslim community denounces this teaching but traditionally speaking according to the prophet - it is what Muslims should do.

Many people nowadays are learning about the Islamic religion through apologist or reformist leaders whom have altered the Islamic faith to confrom to societal values that exist in the present; deviating away from the true message of the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran teaches of war and violence - the Islamic faith spread through war and violence. However since that is no longer possible - many Islamic leaders have tried to curb the violence in the faith to try spread it through peace and word.

However if you take the true Islamic religion to be what is written in the Qu'ran it is a [b]SIN[/b] and is [b]PUNISHABLE BY DEATH[/b].

[quote=Dacarlover]If you really want to follow the religion, shia or sunni, dont waste your time playing a game, and go do something more productive.
Study/Pray/whatever....[/quote]
I study, pray all 5 prayers and sunna, and read Qu'ran so I play maplestory when I am finished everything. I am asking this is because, well I want to avoid small bad things everywhere in life so if this one is then, well I want to avoid it.

[quote=Dacarlover]I'm muslim too, and i think you're overreacting....
the priest job has nothing that is considered "haram", and besides, if you were REALLY serious about being a good muslim, (i know i aint) you'd quit this game (waste of time/ unproductive) and go study (gain knowledge) [/quote]

I'm a Muslim and I totally agree with you.

[quote=freezstyle7]I guess I wont make a cleric now. Im sunni not a revisionist.[/quote]

If you really want to follow the religion, shia or sunni, dont waste your time playing a game, and go do something more productive.
Study/Pray/whatever....

[quote=Dacarlover]I'm muslim too, and i think you're overreacting....
the priest job has nothing that is considered "haram", and besides, if you were REALLY serious about being a good muslim, (i know i aint) you'd quit this game (waste of time/ unproductive) and go study (gain knowledge) [/quote]
Ok im totally lost now. Paladon had an answer with proof but everyone else who has serious answers said your allowed

[quote=CrayonScribble]Impersonating or inacting such as roleplaying a religious figure even of your own Islamic religion is punishable by death according to the Qur'an. However revisionist Muslims don't see this as applicable anymore - the writing in the Qu'ran states otherwise.[/quote]

Not to denounce ur statement mike, but, not everything is punishable by death, (including what you mentioned).
These are misconceptions spread by un informed / more radical thinking clerics, and doesnt match the actual text.
Off topic, pls rebuddy lcyaranbros if possible ><, my entire BL got deleted

Um.... Pope> Arch bishops> bishops > Priests

[quote=freezstyle7]Well sorry about the wrong forum but its not a silly question. I am a practicing muslim and I have to know[/quote]

I'm muslim too, and i think you're overreacting....
the priest job has nothing that is considered "haram", and besides, if you were REALLY serious about being a good muslim, (i know i aint) you'd quit this game (waste of time/ unproductive) and go study (gain knowledge)

[quote=CrayonScribble]Impersonating or inacting such as roleplaying a religious figure even of your own Islamic religion is punishable by death according to the Qur'an. However revisionist Muslims don't see this as applicable anymore - the writing in the Qu'ran states otherwise.[/quote]
I guess I wont make a cleric now. Im sunni not a revisionist.

i agree with first person
zakum=muslim stuff(evil treee)
sure you can be just change the name and say its something else
my friend calls his priest mr rabbi

Impersonating or inacting such as roleplaying a religious figure even of your own Islamic religion is punishable by death according to the Qur'an. However revisionist Muslims don't see this as applicable anymore - the writing in the Qu'ran states otherwise.

[quote=wordk41]As much as a silly question it may be, some people just want to be safe.

@freezstyle7: It's safe, the title doesn't involve the religion, and you aren't practicing it.[/quote]

Thank you so much for taking this seriously. I can make a cleric and have a clear mind. Thank you

You're asking the wrong place the wrong question.
You might as well ask if you can play Maplestory since it has you kill monsters.

o.o how does jobs in the game effect you that much?

[quote=IceBarrage]That's a silly question and wrong forum.[/quote]
Well sorry about the wrong forum but its not a silly question. I am a practicing muslim and I have to know

[quote=IceBarrage]That's a silly question and wrong forum.[/quote]

As much as a silly question it may be, some people just want to be safe.

@freezstyle7: It's safe, the title doesn't involve the religion, and you aren't practicing it.

I don't think there's anything religious about priests in maplestory... so I think you'll be okay.

[quote=Gaga][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaqqum]Yes, because you'd be killing Zakum[/url][/quote]

If he ever decides to kill it.

it's a game who cares. And it's just a title, Priests still follow under satanic magic in a sense