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[quote=Nocilla]What the bling am I reading? You obviously knew being able to get 60+ clean slates in 1 hour is, at the very least, fishy, which you even mentioned. Stop complaining and deal with your hellban.[/quote]
and I knew making jett and getting 30+ clean slate in less an hour was fishy but I did get 30+ clean slate and no action was taken.

[quote=Wubzey]There are so many things wrong with your arguments but I can only be bothered picking out one because I must go eat dinner (omnomnom).
Its kinda ironic how you say GG because politicians are risking something when they tale money. How is it any different to you abusing nexon's mistake?
Politician getting caught? You say GG
You get caught? You say OMG WTF NEXON THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT, Y U NO TELL ME THAT IT IS AGAINST THE RULES TO EXPLOIT U ?

See the irony behind your arguments and logic yet?
All I can say is - "Fail logic is fail"[/quote]

making a cannoner as a mule is obviously not what nexon intended the class to be, hence why you need to buy nx to extend
inv slot. But nexon allowed people to make cannoneer as mule.

Assuming the politican didnt break the law (if he did I already stated its wrong)
and managed to get money from the tax payers. And use it where the tax payer
didnt wish them too. The law cant touch him, but he is risking his reputation to be elected again or even worse get
excuted by angry mobs.
Sure he is within the rules but he is taking risk against his community instead of the government.

In my case I am within the rules and I am not taking a risk in anything, I am just doing allowed action (creating and deleting character)
that is part of the game and get clean slate out of it. Sure my action may be viewed as wrong by many people but I play within the
rules by constantly checking the website for information regarding this quest and because there is none I assumed its intentional

We reserve the right, in our sole discretion, to take any actions we deem necessary and appropriate to preserve the integrity of the Service and Software. We further reserve the right to determine what conduct is outside the "spirit" of the Service and games provided therein.

in this case they determined remaking jett to not be outside the spirirt and no action was taken to preserve the integrity of the service and software
and then somehow remaking characters is outside of the spirirt and actions needed to be taken?
Just because they have the right to define what action is outside the spirirt still doesnt allow them to do anything they want.
There is obviously a false logic on their part on defining the term spirit, if you are trying to use this line against me.

they blockled it because of people exploiting it. Some people who were exploiting it were hellbanned for it too.

That took forever to read. And I barely skimmed it.
TS, it was a glitch/mistake by nexon's part, and you exploited it. It's not that hard to figure out. I don't know why you keep fighting back.

What the bling am I reading? You obviously knew being able to get 60+ clean slates in 1 hour is, at the very least, fishy, which you even mentioned. Stop complaining and deal with your hellban.

Oh and also since I can't be bothered actually checking this thread to have more fun with this, I'll just end it now.
[quote=fubs0]they have no right to do this as I do not know this is a glitch.[/quote]
Direct quote from nexon's ToS- We reserve the right, in our sole discretion, to take any actions we deem necessary and appropriate to preserve the integrity of the Service and Software. We further reserve the right to determine what conduct is outside the "spirit" of the Service and games provided therein."

Basically Nexon reserves the right to take action on anything which they deem to be outside the "spirit" of the game. Therefore they do in fact have the right to do anything to your account because it is in the ToS and what you did has been deemed (correctly if I may add) to be outside the spirit of the game and dealt with appropriately.

But if you want to be ignorant to the terms that you AGREED TO by playing ms, keep arguing and see how far that gets you.
And before you try to call bs on the ToS quote, go look it up yourself. I believe there is a link on page 4 of this thread

[quote=fubs0]And no I dont complain about politicans stealing money because they are risking something to get it and if they get found out well GG[/quote]

There are so many things wrong with your arguments but I can only be bothered picking out one because I must go eat dinner (omnomnom).
Its kinda ironic how you say GG because politicians are risking something when they tale money. How is it any different to you abusing nexon's mistake?
Politician getting caught? You say GG
You get caught? You say OMG WTF NEXON THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT, Y U NO TELL ME THAT IT IS AGAINST THE RULES TO EXPLOIT U ?

See the irony behind your arguments and logic yet?
All I can say is - "Fail logic is fail"

[quote=Wubzey]greed is NEVER bad? Lol nice try. So you've never complained about a greedy politician stealing taxpayers money, you've never thought it was wrong to steal from charity because you don't want to spend your own money, and you've never thought that it was bad to take advantage of a fully innocent person when they make a mistake.

Lol I dare you to try sue nexon for "wrongly banning your account" because you knew fully what you were doing, you knew that it wasn't a natural part of the game and tried to take advantage of it for your personal gain. It's not nexon's fault that they didn't release the exact details. It doesn't matter if the actual amount of coins wasn't correct because the issue is you taking advantage of it for your benefit. Your arguments are all based around small technicalities that make no sense when looking at the situation logically and as a whole.

I'll give you a hypothetical situation to explain.
You initiate a fight with somebody and land the first punch.
They react in self defense and punch you back, resulting in you breaking your arm.

The logic you use would be like me saying that the first person in the fight should sue the second person for the injury he sustained.
Technically the argument should be in your favor (as you are hypothetically playing the role of the first person), as your right to safety has been violated, however anyone that looks at the full story I.e not just the broken arm, they would see that the victim was actin in self defense, and it was you who initiated the fight. Therefore how can they be fault when they are just trying to protect their own rights.[/quote]

the hypothetical case is totally wrong, assuming nexon this third person and I am first person. Nexon made a mistake and dropped a hundred dollar bill.
And I found that hundred dollar bill but nexon didnt inform me that he lost his hundred dollar bill which he later accused me of stealing.
All I did was pick up that hundred dollar bill which is acceptable and nexon is the one who failed to communicate the fact (bug) that he lost his
hundred dollar bill. So he has no right to accuse me of stealing it.

And no I dont complain about politicans stealing money because they are risking something to get it and if they get found out well GG
stealing from charity is breaking the law and I stated as long as you dont break the law greed is fine.

[quote=Swampert]ToS: Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(online_gaming) - An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bugs, glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers

Since you like wiki so much here you go.
Plus I highly doubt Nexon would allow for a coin event that allows for 20x more coins for minimal work. Pink zak was only 5x the coins and you actually had to do something. You're just making excuses TS.[/quote]

An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers

Using cannoneer as a mule is an exploit because I am using the inv skill to my advantage solely as a character to store equipments so I dont have to buy NX to increase inv and it is not a character which I will not be playing pass level 10 which is not intended by the game designer initially. Considering they are selling NX to increase inv slots

I certainly dont see whats wrong with that. And to me its no surprise that there is an event that gives 20 to 60 coins considering it cost 35 coins to get clean slate
and the rest of the stuff are useless. using renegade coins 15 coins = clean slate and there is a lot of quest that gives 8 coins which gives easy clean slate.
so 20 to 60 is still within the reasonable bound however 70 is clearly too much as it can get 2 clean slate.

[quote=fubs0]greed is never a bad thing,[/quote]

greed is NEVER bad? Lol nice try. So you've never complained about a greedy politician stealing taxpayers money, you've never thought it was wrong to steal from charity because you don't want to spend your own money, and you've never thought that it was bad to take advantage of a fully innocent person when they make a mistake.

Lol I dare you to try sue nexon for "wrongly banning your account" because you knew fully what you were doing, you knew that it wasn't a natural part of the game and tried to take advantage of it for your personal gain. It's not nexon's fault that they didn't release the exact details. It doesn't matter if the actual amount of coins wasn't correct because the issue is you taking advantage of it for your benefit. Your arguments are all based around small technicalities that make no sense when looking at the situation logically and as a whole.

I'll give you a hypothetical situation to explain.
You initiate a fight with somebody and land the first punch.
They react in self defense and punch you back, resulting in you breaking your arm.

The logic you use would be like me saying that the first person in the fight should sue the second person for the injury he sustained.
Technically the argument should be in your favor (as you are hypothetically playing the role of the first person), as your right to safety has been violated, however anyone that looks at the full story I.e not just the broken arm, they would see that the victim was actin in self defense, and it was you who initiated the fight. Therefore how can they be fault when they are just trying to protect their own rights.

[quote=Sammi]They should just change it to level 50 req. or 70, something not too hard or too easy...[/quote]

dis pls.

Lol, when i first got my 60 coins from a quest, i was pleasantly surprised and immediately noticed that there was something missing seeing how one quest gave 60 and the others practically gave one. I checked the shop and saw that nothing particularly interests me so i didn't even bother going to my other chars to get the 60 coins. In the end im happy that nexon is being more firm and strict with people exploiting glitches in the game.

OP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

greed is never a bad thing, it promotes people to think
its breaking the rule to achieve greed that is bad
and in this case I am not breaking ANY rule under the term of use with
reasons I explained to ace

and wiki is a reliable source to general public because its govern by mods and people cant change it unless
there is source to support it and it needs to be confirmed.
if you want to get to college level of course you need something more reliable
which will take more time to dig up and of course against someone who doesnt even use source
wiki is more than enough.

They should just change it to level 50 req. or 70, something not too hard or too easy...

[quote=Wubzey]How is nexon at fault? Did they somehow FORCE YOU TO MAKE NEW CHARACTERS? was it their fault that they made a mistake and didn't realize until people exploited it? Bring up as much evidence as you want, it was your greed that made you do it, not nexon. The only argument should be what the punishment should be, with the removal of the obtained clean slates being the MINIMUM punishment[/quote]

everyone can make mistakes and so can nexon, but this time they are clearly wrong because
they couldve made an event note on what events are given as well as the rewards but they didnt. So there is a miscommunication on their part
which made a lot of people convinced that this quest is intentional. I am free to do what I want in the game as long as it didn violate
their term of use and I didnt. Everything I did was accepted by the term of use such as deleting and remaking character and accpeting quests.
If you are so greedless, why dont you give me all your mesos and gear? If you are willing to do that you will have proven your point.

and PLEASE GO EDIT wiki I BEG YOU EDIT IT and see how long it takes for it to go through

How is nexon at fault? Did they somehow FORCE YOU TO MAKE NEW CHARACTERS? was it their fault that they made a mistake and didn't realize until people exploited it? Bring up as much evidence as you want, it was your greed that made you do it, not nexon. The only argument should be what the punishment should be, with the removal of the obtained clean slates being the MINIMUM punishment

[quote=qazwsx7]Your knowledge is severely limited. Everything you get is off Google. It seems you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about, which is why you come back with these so called "sources".[/quote]

to convince someone you need to get evidence from reliable sources and clearly you are not doing that
and that is why I pity those kids who even insults the term mentally retarded

[quote=qazwsx7]It is a negative term[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit
which part of that said its a negative term?
again support your reasoning with SOURCES

@Ace987: (exploit = anything that can be taken advantage of) and that include intentional ones
you can put me at fault if you show any information from nexon that is released to us players from the time
the patch is released to when the unscheduled maintance happens. If not I can tell you that I checked EVERYWHERE
and there was no note on this quest, so at the point I just continued assuming it was intentional. considering 60 coins only gets u
a clean slate while other things being completely useless.
I've done something like this before like the jett farm and it was intended by nexon

[quote=fubs0]Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage

I can exploit anything I want within this game as long as its not an error in design. Like I am currently exploiting the fact that cannoner has more inv place than
other class and I create extra cannoneer as mule to put my stuff in. Unless I somehow know that its an error in design during the time the patch is released and before the unsecdualed maintanece then that puts me at fault. Very nice try its a start[/quote]
How is making a cannoneer an exploit? It is advertised as having more inventory slots. Besides, there's a big difference between making a cannoneer to store a few extra items and creating/deleteing characters for the purpose of farming clean slate scrolls. Obviously the cannoneer's extra storage isn't a bug since it wasn't deleted or modified during an unscheduled maintenance unlike the quest to get 60 coins at level 10.

[quote=Ace987]Okay, I'll bite. Here's what you said earlier:

Notice how you said you knew it was an exploit. According to the MS Terms of Use, which you agreed to in order to play MS, it states that you agree NOT to:
[i]Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage; [/i]

Here's the full Terms of Use if you want to read it all:
[url=http://nxcache.nexon.net/nx/global/legal_info/terms.html]http://nxcache.nexon.net/nx/global/legal_info/terms.html[/url]

Obviously you knew something must be up because obtaining expensive items like these should not be so easy.[/quote]

Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage

I can exploit anything I want within this game as long as its not an error in design. Like I am currently exploiting the fact that cannoner has more inv place than
other class and I create extra cannoneer as mule to put my stuff in. Unless I somehow know that its an error in design during the time the patch is released and before the unsecdualed maintanece then that puts me at fault. Very nice try its a start

Lol, so that's why the quest no longer works. I enjoyed that it gave me 60 coins, but I have to agree 60 coins for getting level 10 is one of those "too good to be true" scenarios.

For the people saying TS ruined it for everyone else, that's not true at all. If it wasn't nexon's intention to give us 60 coins from one quest then they would have removed it whether people abused it or not. So his actions have no bearing on the fate of that quest.

That said @fubs0 You may not have known it was glitched(I myself thought it was just nexon being generous at first), but farming it so heavily during the one day that it was out and only receiving a 'tradeblock' is not bad at all. I would just take what you can get and call it done, since you're not going to get anywhere arguing about it with basilers.

[quote=fubs0]to everyone else that wants to convince me that I am at fault use a valid argument to comment
and yes I know what google does just search up valid argument structure and you should be able to make a valid argument
and no I am not mad I just pity how kids these day lack the ability to make valid arguments. I was able to make
valid arguments at around 7[/quote]

Okay, I'll bite. Here's what you said earlier:
[quote=fubs0]and I just found out that my pole arm is stuck in storage and I need to contact customer support apparantly
WOW WDF IS WRONG WITH YOU NEXON. IF SOMETHING IS NOT BROKEN, DONT FIX IT.

edit: I see apparantly they locked my account so that no meso or items can be moved.
they have no right to do this as I do not know this is a glitch.[b]I know its an exploit but I do not know if its intentional or not.[/b]
due to the lack of knowledge of events of what they post on their website I assume its intentional. If they had posted,
a different amount of what coins your supposed to get on their website, I probably won't be abusing this. (probably)[/quote]

Notice how you said you knew it was an exploit. According to the MS Terms of Use, which you agreed to in order to play MS, it states that you agree NOT to:
[i]Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage; [/i]

Here's the full Terms of Use if you want to read it all:
[url=http://nxcache.nexon.net/nx/global/legal_info/terms.html]http://nxcache.nexon.net/nx/global/legal_info/terms.html[/url]

Obviously you knew something must be up because obtaining expensive items like these should not be so easy.

TS you're dumb.

[quote=Votoz]You ruined the event quest for everyone else, I really hope your hellban is permanent.[/quote]

you dont have valid arguments as to how I am ruining the quest for everone so you have an invalid argument too bad so sad

and the person above me doesnt have an valid argument either so go cry to your mummy on how to make valid arguments

hey fubs...
it's your fault

to everyone else that wants to convince me that I am at fault use a valid argument to comment
and yes I know what google does just search up valid argument structure and you should be able to make a valid argument
and no I am not mad I just pity how kids these day lack the ability to make valid arguments. I was able to make
valid arguments at around 7

[quote=fubs0]@asdfgh3: your still not making a valid arugments concerning what is unrelated you need to give examples
GOOGLE IS YOUR BEST FRIEND USE IT TO MAKE A VALID ARGUMENTS[/quote]

he can't really google your argument, do you know what google does?
also, it's your fault you got hellbanned. gg

@asdfgh3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument
In logic and philosophy, an argument is an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons or evidence for accepting a particular conclusion

I am persuading everyone that nexon at fault and you are persuading me I am at fault therefore we are in an argument
and YES I know exactly what the word meant

@asdfgh3: your still not making a valid arugments concerning what is unrelated you need to give examples
GOOGLE IS YOUR BEST FRIEND USE IT TO MAKE A VALID ARGUMENTS

@asdfgh3: define which ideas are not related and if you cannont do that your arguments is invalid
clearly you are the one whos raging because you cannont make valid arguments
go google ways on how you can make a valid arguments before you post because
I am following a systematic way which is accept by the world and of course by nexon

@asdfgh3:
and that just proved your argument invalid since there is no way to prove that its valid in the form of logic
therefore you can laugh all you want, but your mentality is just as pathetic as a 4 year old who cannot
form valid arguments.

Any more questions? only from those who can make valid arguments

[quote=asdfgh3]@fubs0: learn to read lol. theres a big difference. you're comparing two completely different situations and adding a long useless pile of text that no ones gonna read[/quote]

define the difference and provide a way I can prove that its nexon's fault

@asdfgh3:
and there is the argument of a baby who is asking permission to do everything that nexon tells him to
boo hoo do you want to ask your mommy whether or not you should train to lvl 200?
clearly at 8pm there is nobody to ask. nexon's ticket stop checking at 6pm so it will be next day before they check my question
and no one in basil has an answer nor is it on maplestory's forum.
So if you suggest asking can you go ask nexon why pink zakum initially gave 15 coins and keep me updated on when you
receive your replies back. In the mean time don't play maple story because you need permission to do everything include leveling
or else you might stumble on some glitch and exploit it.

in order to prove that I knowingly exploited this bug PLEASE find ANY SOURCE of information BY NEXON GIVEN BEFORE the unsechedualed
maintainance that suggested this is a bug otherwise your argument is invalid because you cannot punish anyone for what they dont know

[quote=asdfgh3]you abused a glitch. anyone with a brain could have figured out it was not in nexon's intentions.
nexon confirmed it. you lose x2
didn't bother reading the rest of your crap since it was useless[/quote]

It was a glitch for sure knowing that nexon took it down. But the issue is WHEN DID NEXON CONFIRM IT
certainly not before the patch is over and certainly not when the patch is realeased. It is confirmed when nexon took it down
in their unschedualed maintainence. AND PLEASE do not post if you can't even finish reading.

[quote=ddsushi]Yes because a quest that gives you 60 coins for doing nothing is obviously intended when every other quest gives 1 coin.
If this is your line of thinking, well good luck to you sir.[/quote]

Can you make this a post to warn everyone that particpated in pink zakum?
because pink zakum gave 15 coins at the time when other quest gave you like 1 to 4.
go complain to nexon about why pink zakum give you 15 coins instead of one or four then
you are suitable to discuss with me whether or not this is a right line of thinking

[quote=fubs0]I dont know how ur brain functions, but it certainly doesnt function like a normal one. Account that starts at lvl 10 is intentional
and nexon intentionally made it that way. Buy stuff then remade is so obviouse to nexon that it should be a given.
so given that the quest is for anyone with lvl 10 and above. I can conclude the quest is intentionally for people who want to start out
new characters. and that is what nexon do. They want to PROMOTE PEOPLE to make new characters. I am just doing what they wanted
KEEP MAKING NEW CHARACTERS. Before you say anything about why this should not be done. When jett came out, a lot of people
make and remake jett to farm stuff because they start out with 8 renegade coins and + an artifcat that is a easy clean slate for about 10 min.
and Nexon completed accepted that.

Even that is beyond the point. The point is not whether or not creating and remaking characters is allowed because it is due to the fact nexon allow us to.
the point is that wether or not you can distinguish this particular quest from other intented quest. My answer is you cannont because it takes 35 coins
to buy a clean slate it is totally logical that there is a quest made to give u 60 coins or else there is no point of even doing the events considering most give
you one to four.[/quote]

Yes because a quest that gives you 60 coins for doing nothing is obviously intended when every other quest gives 1 coin.
If this is your line of thinking, well good luck to you sir.

@LegumesAreBeans: probably so, but the quest itself is called Homecoming victory and it seems appropriate to give out 60 coins in that sense
and i still stand on my opinion that the quest should be given out, but at a reasonably higher level, countless others and myself being some of the people who didnt get to splurge on this perk of a quest, would seriously like this quest back

i agree with LuxEffects on this one, not only did you guys ruin the quest for everyone else but you managed to get a simple slap on the wrist for now (hellban) that will most likely be lifted off in a matter of time

I got like 40 yesterday....hope I'm not hell banned now

[quote=Vandalize]Why abusers gotta abuse. >.<

You deserve to be hell banned.[/quote]
define the line abuse vs intentionally given and taken
is 5 min playing for a clean slate abuse?
is 7 min playing for a clean slate abuse?
is 10 min playing for a clean slate abuse?
is 15 min playing for a clean slate abuse?
please draw the line because I have done some other clean slate farming and it was intentionally given by nexon

Why abusers gotta abuse. >.<

You deserve to be hell banned.

[quote=ddsushi]Don't give me that "I didn't know it was an exploit" bs.
Everyone who got hellbanned deserves it.[/quote]

pink zakum was too good to be true and it wasnt an exploit.
until they nerfed it. To me its perfectly logical to have some event that gives more coins than others
and 60 coins isnt even that much. Its only 1 clean slate and the rest of the items are useless

Don't give me that "I didn't know it was an exploit" bs.
Everyone who got hellbanned deserves it.

Clean slates?
Abusing what?

Can some1 tell whats going on?

[quote=fubs0]and I just found out that my pole arm is stuck in storage and I need to contact customer support apparantly
WOW WDF IS WRONG WITH YOU NEXON. IF SOMETHING IS NOT BROKEN, DONT FIX IT.[/quote]

It was broken though.
You are hellbanned because you farmed too many exploited scrolls.
Deal with it.

[quote=LegumesAreBeans]well, it's pretty easy to tell that the quest was a mistake.
I mean, it was insanely abusable.[/quote]
i was unaware of this quest, now i missed out on it
hopefully they reinstate it with more reasonable level restriction so i can get my hands on them coins
maybe getting to 3rd job to get the coins

and I just found out that my pole arm is stuck in storage and I need to contact customer support apparantly
WOW WDF IS WRONG WITH YOU NEXON. IF SOMETHING IS NOT BROKEN, DONT FIX IT.

edit: I see apparantly they locked my account so that no meso or items can be moved.
they have no right to do this as I do not know this is a glitch. I know its an exploit but I do not know if its intentional or not.
due to the lack of knowledge of events of what they post on their website I assume its intentional. If they had posted,
a different amount of what coins your supposed to get on their website, I probably won't be abusing this. (probably)

I shouldve farmed more clean slate before going to sleep yesterday
it was too good to be true to begin with. I just didnt realize they would find out about it that fast.
when they are THAT SLOW at finding botters

^^^^^And now you are hellbanned <3 <3

[quote=howierulez]o.o i got 200+ from yesterday i scrolled a 20% boss lvl 80 cannon i was lucky cause i was fusing[/quote]

what you said makes no sense right now. 200+ of clean slate? lvl 80 20% boss cannon is a waste. what does fusing have to do with scrolling?