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Plays ridiculously pay to win game, complains about it becoming less pay to win.

At what point did you think that anyone with a functioning brain would be on your side in all of this? If things were more like this from the get go the game would be far more enjoyable and maybe more people would still be playing it. Getting everything you need to perfect anything with these scrolls will be time consuming but reasonable. You'll still have to put in the effort and they're not 100% so whats so "broken" about them? Even if they were 100% you would still need to cube which is where the real damage comes from. You'd normally have to buy protection scroll after protection scroll just to keep scrolls like these from destroying your precious item so why the hell would you call it broken when you can finally do it for free? The hell is wrong with you? Do you enjoy paying cash or spending countless hours hunting for noob slip ups in the free market to make a profit to fund your characters? Don't tell me you consider that fun.

is there a limit on the prot scrolls in RED shop? seems too good to be true haha

Can't tell if this thread is a bad troll... or just dumb

[quote=SolKool]Imagine if it only worked on Evolution weapons [/quote]
You are an evil little girl.

[quote=gamemage3]
this means anybody can easily scroll thier own 300+ att 12 star weapon without spending anything and +50 att equips just by spamming these scrolls.[/quote]

>anybody can easily scroll their own 300+ att 12 star weapon without spending anything...
>anybody can easily scroll their own weapon without spending anything...
>anybody can easily scroll without spending anything...
>without spending anything...

No. You're wrong. I don't have time or accounts to get 1000 RED tickets so I can use that many freakin' protection scrolls.

[quote=gamemage3]ok, maybe its going to take slightly more shield scrolls, but its definitely easy to get 1m range once you perfect everything using red scrolls

300+ att weapon only costs you 20 shield scrolls
30+ att top+bot only costs you 36 shield scrolls
50+ att hat costs only 26 shield scrolls
40+ att earring costs you 18 shield scrolls
40+ att ring costs you 16 shield scrolls
30+ att pendants cost you 14 shield scrolls each

just perfect everything with chaos scrolls of goodness

overall, you're probably going to spend like 300 shield scrolls, which is 450k nx, but you will hit 1m+ range

just look at those people with 1m range NOW, none of them have equips as godly as that for everything. only people with over 2m+ cap have equips as godly as those, and they just needed to cube thier items to finish it.[/quote]

Wow you're... just wow. First, how do you figure it will work out perfectly like that? The scrolls aren't 100% and the chaos of goodness won't decrease any stats, but they could easily give you +0 attack. So it could easily cost double the nx to scroll all of that.

Not to mention that the chaos of goodness have a limit per character. Yes, you can just do it on another character and transfer them, but to really have enough to do all of that would take a lot of characters and moving things around. Not everyone is going to have the patience for that.

But assuming they did have the patience and the nx available to make all of those perfectly scrolled equips for just under $500. That's only about 490 attack total. I can guarantee you that simply having close to 500 attack isn't enough to get 1mil range. That's probably not even enough to get 100k range on it's own. They'd still need to cube very very heavily.

But what gets me is, you want it to be hard to achieve all of this. You're saying spending about 500 dollars on one game just to reach, what you thought would be, half of the games max damage, is too easy? You just sound upset that you didn't have the foresight to wait for this event before making your gear.

Imagine if it only worked on Evolution weapons

[quote=GeneralStore]Still waiting on where the you saw the 35 coin prots...[/quote]

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Still waiting on where the you saw the 35 coin prots...

[quote=SolKool]What the nexon is wrong with you people? yesterday your where whining about the shop having useless boom scrolls, and now you are mad because the scrolls are too good?[/quote]

It's getting old that people constantly state, "people wanted this yesterday, and now it's like they suddenly switched up the next day... just make up your mind!".
Do I even have to tell you that it's obvious you're dealing with two sides of the same coin. The coin is the issue, heads and tails are those who are pro and con towards the issue. Clearly when something is one way, one group will like and one group will hate and then if the issue does a 180 well then it's clear that so will the opinions on both sides.

OP is not someone who complained about the shop being sucky previously to this I can assure you. You act like everyone is one collective hive-mind.

What the nexon is wrong with you people? yesterday your where whining about the shop having useless boom scrolls, and now you are mad because the scrolls are too good?

to the TS- you sound like a baby crying that us regular people can have good things. even tho this game is, at its base, a pay to win game, doesnt mean we cant get a bone thrown our way once in a while. just stop sniveling, and deal with it, says the guy with a future 250 atk tsukoyami dagger <3

[quote=gamemage3]except it specifically says on the scroll it will affect your stats MORE than the regular scroll, so nice try[/quote]

He's talking about probability of reaching beyond 1-3 stat increase per scroll use. As in the difference in using an ICoG versus a regular positive will mean the regular positive will yield better results because there's less number samples to choose from.
Though this isn't true at all. I'll just say I know from experience that ICoGs are easy to perfect with and create shockingly powerful equips. So no, ICoGs are far superior. Especially considering the greater chance of success alone.

@RisingRain
Even with 7-8 slots or so the amount of attack you will gain is unbelievable. Don't be surprised at just how often a high stat is picked.

Again, though. You chose to not research into future patches. Now you're "ruined" (lol still far better off than 99% of maple buddy) and you hate that someone who doesn't have to spend bank-breaking amounts to potentially have a superior equip to yourself.

[quote=gamemage3]except it specifically says on the scroll it will affect your stats MORE than the regular scroll, so nice try[/quote]
If you can use anecdotal evidence, I can use mine. Nice try.
Yes, it has the potential to increase stats by more per scroll, but it spreads the distribution around more values.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nexon weighted the lower stats gains on iCoG (0/+1/+2) much more than the supposed "extra bonuses" it gives over CoGs (+6~+10), whereas for CoGs it seems it's much more evenly distributed. But hey, it's anecdotal evidence. Matters just as much as your "evidence", am I right?

[quote=RisingRain]Except that iCoG is actually known to give lower bonuses than regular CoGs because of how the stats are spread around.
You can use anecdotal evidence, I can use mine.[/quote]

except it specifically says on the scroll it will affect your stats MORE than the regular scroll, so nice try

[quote=Redadin]Gamemage is correct on how easy it will be to make very strong equips.
Nexon does not realize what they're unleashing, but I am glad for all players.

It's actually quite convenient to make 50+ attack armors using ICoGs.
Especially when you are dealing with RA equips with 13 slots to scroll.[/quote]
Ok, with 13 slots, sure. I was assuming he was talking like 7 slots or so.

[quote=gamemage3]0/10, i've simply spammed regular chaos scroll of goodness and i've gotten

33 att hat
20 att top/bot

icog will obviously give much better stats than what i scrolled, so those ballpark figures are not that inaccurate[/quote]

Gamemage is correct on how easy it will be to make very strong equips.
Nexon does not realize what they're unleashing, but I am glad for all players.

It's actually quite convenient to make 50+ attack armors using ICoGs.
Especially when you are dealing with RA equips with 13 slots to scroll.

[quote=gamemage3]0/10, i've simply spammed regular chaos scroll of goodness and i've gotten

33 att hat
20 att top/bot

icog will obviously give much better stats than what i scrolled, so those ballpark figures are not that inaccurate[/quote]

Except that iCoG is actually known to give lower bonuses than regular CoGs because of how the stats are spread around.
You can use anecdotal evidence, I can use mine.

We can never have nice things because people like you tend to blame at every single thing Nexon tries to give.

Oh, and don't come and blame me with your self-justified reasons because they have no base. Poor playes could be in need of these scrolls, you're just jealous people can be stronger than you in no time.

AND most of these scrolls are 50%, don't expect them ALL to work in a single equip, so calm down about the stupid shop ok?

[quote=RisingRain]Lol this guy is trolling hard.
The weapon I can agree with, because the attack gain is set in stone (+8 attack/scroll, 50% success rate).

But as for this:
30+ att top+bot only costs you 36 shield scrolls
50+ att hat costs only 26 shield scrolls
40+ att earring costs you 18 shield scrolls
40+ att ring costs you 16 shield scrolls
30+ att pendants cost you 14 shield scrolls each

Lol, this guy has no idea how an Incredible (or regular) Chaos Scroll of Goodness works.
All of this calculation is implying that you'll hit the max stat gain on every single one of your scrolls.
Yeah, you won't. You want to know the % distribution for attack gain?
It's probably a normal distribution, which means the higher attack gains are nearly impossible compared to the ones that add 0, 1, or 2 attack.
And even if you do get lucky and get a +7~+10, what's to say it's going to be on the attack stat? You do know there's like 5 stats on equips that an CoG/ICoG can add right?[/quote]

0/10, i've simply spammed regular chaos scroll of goodness and i've gotten

33 att hat
20 att top/bot

icog will obviously give much better stats than what i scrolled, so those ballpark figures are not that inaccurate

[quote=GeneralStore]Link to 35 coin prots? I looked through every tumblr pic and I don't see any o.o[/quote]

yea this. and what are protection scrolls?

Link to 35 coin prots? I looked through every tumblr pic and I don't see any o.o

[quote=gamemage3]why would you buy so many prot scrolls? you would only need like 70? to 12 star your weapon

you don't need any innocence scrolls at all, all you would need are to buy the +8 att scrolls and incredible chaos scroll of goodness 60%

then you simply buy shield scrolls to make sure none of your slots fail, this is the only part that costs any money.

lets say you don't want to buy shield scrolls, that's fine.

without spending ANY nx and with average luck, you can probably get 7 out of 10 scrolls to work ( as long as you restart failed starts with innocent scrolls ), then still spam 12 star and still get a very godly weapon that hackers now would be jealous of.

if 60% of your incredible chaos scroll works, you can still get 30 att hats and 20 att top/bots with a few resets of innocent scrolls.

you literally don't have to spend anything and you can hit 400k range[/quote]

I wasn't referring to weapons, it's the top bottom etc I was referring to, you're going to need a ton of iCoGs shielding scrolls and innocence scrolls for them. I don't know how you think iCoGs work but the chances of them giving anything above 5 att is pretty low, also AEEs, you're going to need a lot more than 70 shielding wards for them, we're talking more than 200, maybe 70 per a star after 4 stars. I don't see why you have such a problem with people who spend hardly any money at all getting to maybe 100k range compared to whatever they were before. That's probably closer to what you're going to get during this event. I highly doubt most people will be reaching 400k range with the amount of everything we've been getting unless they have around 40 accounts and have been farming tickets since they were first given out.

Lol this guy is trolling hard.
The weapon I can agree with, because the attack gain is set in stone (+8 attack/scroll, 50% success rate).

But as for this:
30+ att top+bot only costs you 36 shield scrolls
50+ att hat costs only 26 shield scrolls
40+ att earring costs you 18 shield scrolls
40+ att ring costs you 16 shield scrolls
30+ att pendants cost you 14 shield scrolls each

Lol, this guy has no idea how an Incredible (or regular) Chaos Scroll of Goodness works.
All of this calculation is implying that you'll hit the max stat gain on every single one of your scrolls.
Yeah, you won't. You want to know the % distribution for attack gain?
It's probably a normal distribution, which means the higher attack gains are nearly impossible compared to the ones that add 0, 1, or 2 attack.
And even if you do get lucky and get a +7~+10, what's to say it's going to be on the attack stat? You do know there's like 5 stats on equips that an CoG/ICoG can add right?

what is protection scrolls?

[quote=gamemage3]so basically, just spam buy shield scrolls, maybe like 70 of them and then perfect all your equips and basically get a 1m range spending only 100k nx

did you know that people spend way more just to get a 50k range?[/quote]

LOL their it is the truth comes kiddys mad because he spent mad dough on perfecting his equips
das to bad bruh
a wise man once said" hey yo fo everyone angry person dey is 10 happy people" that wise man was me, 10 years from now, WHat a twistz

[quote=Star909]Yes you also need to get all the scrolls to work 100% and get luck on the chaos scrolls giving 5 att+. THe majority of the tiems I've used these scrolls they've either: A. Failed B: gave me 1 att. I've used quite a few of them, so you might be talking more like 1000 prot scrolls and 100+ innocence scrolls, who has that many coins? I don't think even hackers would have that many coins.[/quote]

why would you buy so many prot scrolls? you would only need like 70? to 12 star your weapon

you don't need any innocence scrolls at all, all you would need are to buy the +8 att scrolls and incredible chaos scroll of goodness 60%

then you simply buy shield scrolls to make sure none of your slots fail, this is the only part that costs any money.

lets say you don't want to buy shield scrolls, thats fine.

without spending ANY nx and with average luck, you can probably get 7 out of 10 scrolls to work ( as long as you restart failed starts with innocent scrolls ), then still spam 12 star and still get a very godly weapon that hackers now would be jealous of.

if 60% of your incredible chaos scroll works, you can still get 30 att hats and 20 att top/bots with a few resets of innocent scrolls.

you literally don't have to spend anything and you can hit 400k range

[quote=gamemage3]ok, maybe its going to take slightly more shield scrolls, but its definitely easy to get 1m range once you perfect everything using red scrolls

300+ att weapon only costs you 20 shield scrolls
30+ att top+bot only costs you 36 shield scrolls
50+ att hat costs only 26 shield scrolls
40+ att earring costs you 18 shield scrolls
40+ att ring costs you 16 shield scrolls
30+ att pendants cost you 14 shield scrolls each

just perfect everything with chaos scrolls of goodness

overall, you're probably going to spend like 300 shield scrolls, which is 450k nx, but you will hit 1m+ range

just look at those people with 1m range NOW, none of them have equips as godly as that for everything. only people with over 2m+ cap have equips as godly as those, and they just needed to cube thier items to finish it.[/quote]

Then do this:

Make new equips for less money. Sell the ones you made already. You're bound to get much more from the equips you sell then what you paid to make the new ones.

[quote=gamemage3]ok, maybe its going to take slightly more shield scrolls, but its definitely easy to get 1m range once you perfect everything using red scrolls

300+ att weapon only costs you 20 shield scrolls
30+ att top+bot only costs you 36 shield scrolls
50+ att hat costs only 26 shield scrolls
40+ att earring costs you 18 shield scrolls
40+ att ring costs you 16 shield scrolls
30+ att pendants cost you 14 shield scrolls each

just perfect everything with chaos scrolls of goodness

overall, you're probably going to spend like 300 shield scrolls, which is 450k nx, but you will hit 1m+ range

just look at those people with 1m range NOW, none of them have equips as godly as that for everything. only people with over 2m+ cap have equips as godly as those, and they just needed to cube thier items to finish it.[/quote]

Yes you also need to get all the scrolls to work 100% and get luck on the chaos scrolls giving 5 att+. THe majority of the tiems I've used these scrolls they've either: A. Failed B: gave me 1 att. I've used quite a few of them, so you might be talking more like 1000 prot scrolls and 100+ innocence scrolls, who has that many coins? I don't think even hackers would have that many coins.

FYI im happy about the scrolls. For once, someone who can't merch and will never spend nx can actually have nice equips for once

It's not broken. They're not selling Safety scrolls in the Cash Shop and failed scrolls will cost 100 coins extra for a Clean Slate 10%. Moreover, they are likely to be limits on how many scrolls can be owned by one account.

Clap along if you know happiness is the truth

[quote=Kazzooey]@gamemage3: 70 Shield Scrolls? Spam? Lmao good luck with that.
And there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL you are gonna get a 1m range from a single or even two perfectly scrolled weapons. Maybe a 50k Range? Sure. 1m range? oh hell no haha[/quote]

ok, maybe its going to take slightly more shield scrolls, but its definitely easy to get 1m range once you perfect everything using red scrolls

300+ att weapon only costs you 20 shield scrolls
30+ att top+bot only costs you 36 shield scrolls
50+ att hat costs only 26 shield scrolls
40+ att earring costs you 18 shield scrolls
40+ att ring costs you 16 shield scrolls
30+ att pendants cost you 14 shield scrolls each

just perfect everything with chaos scrolls of goodness

overall, you're probably going to spend like 300 shield scrolls, which is 450k nx, but you will hit 1m+ range

just look at those people with 1m range NOW, none of them have equips as godly as that for everything. only people with over 2m+ cap have equips as godly as those, and they just needed to cube thier items to finish it.

If you can live with the difference of the average player doing maybe 10k and never reaching 200 compared to a 212 hitting 50mil by spending too much money, that;'s fine by me, but I see this as something that'll at least close the gap a little. I for one never want to put a single dime in this game again, and for good reason, there's nothing in it for me anymore, it's just a money sinkhole, and if you can't see that, then you need to reevaluate how you look at maple.

@gamemage3: 70 Shield Scrolls? Spam? Lmao good luck with that.
And there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL you are gonna get a 1m range from a single or even two perfectly scrolled weapons. Maybe a 50k Range? Sure. 1m range? oh hell no haha

[quote=Kazzooey]You act as if everyone is gonna score a perfect weapon. It's 50%, not 100%. I failed 11 50% unleashed in a row on my staff, and then failed 2 50% 5 Star EE immediately afterwards. And this game atm is broken because bosses are stupid difficult and we have absolutely no way of bettering ourselves without NX. This should help out a little.

Also realize this is an event, not some permanent shop dude.[/quote]

so basically, just spam buy shield scrolls, maybe like 70 of them and then perfect all your equips and basically get a 1m range spending only 100k nx

did you know that people spend way more just to get a 50k range?

@gamemage3:

Of course I'd be mad, which is why I waited to scroll knowing this was going to very well happen.

The game is dying, do you think a company which seeks to make as much profit as possible would suddenly just be this kind for no reason? They're drawing in new players. Even with this shop they'll never be on our level. Plain and simple, but the difference is I waited and you didn't. Patience is key in life.

[quote=MrSimple]Where did you guys find the information for GMS' RED shop?[/quote]

http://maplestory.tumblr.com/

[quote=gamemage3]so we're always supposed to assume nexon will come out with something to undercut everything we did by literally giving it away for free?

if nexon just handed out 500 att equips to everybody in the game, it would be a fairly pointless game. also if i spent some money to scroll a 500 att equip then i would be mad, would you not?

except in this case, they're handing out 50 att equips, my 33 att RA hat is worthless now[/quote]

You act as if everyone is gonna score a perfect weapon. It's 50%, not 100%. I failed 11 50% unleashed in a row on my staff, and then failed 2 50% 5 Star EE immediately afterwards. And this game atm is broken because bosses are stupid difficult and we have absolutely no way of bettering ourselves without NX. This should help out a little.

Also realize this is an event, not some permanent shop dude.

[quote=Star909]we're limited to like 1 or 3 prot scroll(s) per char, I don't see the big problem here, also this really fixes the balance within the game. If you haven't noticed there's a huge imbalance within the game which is making a lot of people quit because they think it's absolutely pointless.[/quote]

how does it matter, if scrolling 1 weapon, just spread out your red tickets all on different characters and then transfer through storage

incredible chaos scroll of goodness is still movable through account, if you equipped something untradable, you can still scroll it

its a fake limit because people will obviously just spread out thier coins and then regroup thier scrolls

we're limited to like 1 or 3 prot scroll(s) per char, I don't see the big problem here, also this really fixes the balance within the game. If you haven't noticed there's a huge imbalance within the game which is making a lot of people quit because they think it's absolutely pointless.

[quote=Redadin]Those people have themselves to blame only.

WE KNEW RED shop was on it's way six months in advance. The only people who get screwed over are Koreans since they are never fully sure of what to expect. We on the other hand can plan in advance.

Jesus I hope there aren't more people like you who object to this. The last thing we need is more wallet creeping by nexon. Consider RED their apology letter to us.[/quote]

so we're always supposed to assume nexon will come out with something to undercut everything we did by literally giving it away for free?

if nexon just handed out 500 att equips to everybody in the game, it would be a fairly pointless game. also if i spent some money to scroll a 500 att equip then i would be mad, would you not?

except in this case, they're handing out 50 att equips, my 33 att RA hat is worthless now

Where did you guys find the information for GMS' RED shop?

I love nice things. I love Nexon for stuffing my mouth with loads of goodies.

You expect them to pass every scroll?

Im guessing you were one of those ppl right?

Those people have themselves to blame only.

WE KNEW RED shop was on it's way six months in advance. The only people who get screwed over are Koreans since they are never fully sure of what to expect. We on the other hand can plan in advance.

Jesus I hope there aren't more people like you who object to this. The last thing we need is more wallet creeping by nexon. Consider RED their apology letter to us.

And it won't cost NX.

This is why we can have nice things.