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@rixworkwix: Nope, I'm muscularly well developed, strong, and healthy. Nothing for me to regret. However, someone seems a bit bitter for some reason. (its u) Cheers to your child like body g'day.

@stillllish: why do you want pics of a 17 year boy apparently?
nty budy i gain nothing from showing a troll a pic of myself.
you mad you wasted the last 12 years in the gym?

@rixworkwix: I give up. Have fun being small, forever.

Just got back from the gym, deadlifted 225 for 17 reps at the end of my workout. 'tmatter

Nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever and you outright dispute the most proven of the basics. Idk how you got through school with all that ignorance. You I'm guessing = 17 years old had a gym membership for 8 months, read a flex magazine and bb.com now you're a pro. Like literally everything you said is upside, wrong, and definitely not worth the time to correct. I'm strong, I have big muscles, you're small, weak, and forever remaining small due to your ignorant personality. Nothing I said is off base or wrong in any way, everything you said is striaght trash, like your personality. Have fun in the gym basilmarket chat section.

p.s. If you wanna throw up pics for comparisons I'm down, just so I can see what this huge mouth is attached to.

@stillllish: you can be a 40 year and and been lifting for 20 and would have been lifting wrong for the last 20 years. youre numbers are nothing impressive and i agree with another poster. if you are not doing meets or aiming to break world records, youre numbers are just some "inside your head street cred" also as long as i have no idea how you preform the movement you are another internet troll and nothing more. i cannot show you an example of someone who has never bench but works out because i actually think that is impossible.

you actually have have no idea what youre talking about because of this sentence "Dumbells are good for sculpting, the only time sculpting is visible is when you start dropping below 8-9% bf." tell me how are you "sculpting" and getting to 8% body fat at the same time. tren? a muscle contraction is a muscle contration. boom, done. only way you build muscle is during a caloric surplus. only way you "sculpt" (you disgust me for using that word) is by being in a caloric defecit. but they, you have been training for 12 years. you know that already

also i was gonna agree with you on one point but then i remembered you're slow so i had to re read it. " A guy who lifts with dumbells and cables, he can get in shape and recruit muscle fibers, definitely. He cannot and will never increase his structure (wider back, deeper side profile, expanding rib cage and chest cavity, dropping and spreading of your shoulders due to constant stress on the clavicles, shoulder blades, and ribs)."

let me point out everything wrong with what you just said here. il say it slow dont worry. here i go, you ready?

wider back is from building your lats and remedial head of your shoulders.
wtf is a deeper side profile? solid making things up
"dropping and spreading your shoulders" its called being genetically gifted and having wide clavicals and also building your traps
what weight on the ribs?
your bone structure is your bone structure you cannot change it. if you want me to use an example of wide to narrow clavials compare phil heath to kevin levrone.

this confirms that you either have no idea what youre talking about and you have a garbage body in real life or you are just a troll. i actually really hope you are a troll because then you wasted the last 12 years in the gym

youre not gonna make it mayne

@rixworkwix: Funny, thats exactly how I view you, a kid who doesn;t really lift = Using broscience and misc logic.

Dumbells are good for sculpting, the only time sculpting is visible is when you start dropping below 8-9% bf. Sculpting meaning the visible seperation in your pecs. Building big pecs and the most canvas space as you would call it, has always been done, and will always be done with free weight barbell bench press. Want examples? thats kinda funny, I will not be trolled into those depths though. Examples of people who have built great chest with barbell bench press.. aka everyone with a great chest. Show me ONE example of someone who has built a great chest WITHOUT barbell bench press.

I'm 27 years old, been liftiing for 12 years. My lifts are real, 315 x 4 bench. 405 x 4-5 clean reps past parallel squat, 495 x 2 deadlift. Do the numbers matter? Hell yes they do. My quads, chest, and back reflect the work I've put into them my pushing them with heavy weight. Heavy weight is the only way to increase your STRUCTURE, the other side of bodybuilding. It isn;t about only recruiting muscle fibers, but enhancing your STRUCTURE as well. How do you do that you may ask? Compound lifts increasing load past capacity. Meaning you have to do heavy free weight compound lifts to achieve structural enhancement.

Example: A guy who lifts with dumbells and cables, he can get in shape and recruit muscle fibers, definitely. He cannot and will never increase his structure (wider back, deeper side profile, expanding rib cage and chest cavity, dropping and spreading of your shoulders due to constant stress on the clavicles, shoulder blades, and ribs). Dumbells and cables only, you'll always look like a pencil in a shirt. I do understand stretch and contraction but I also understand time under tension and increased load resistance and how a barbell not only recruit muscles fibres, but is also the best way to increase chest mass and "canvas" space because of the ability to load a bar with more weight. More resistance = more growth.

I can only offer what input I know works. I know barbells for chest = most mass possible (I do incorporate dumbells but the point is the best way to build chest mass IS with a barbell). Idk, agree to disagree I guess

edit: I will give you credit in the aspect that cables and dumbells would probably be the best way for a beginning lifter to achieve mind muscle connection i order to move up to barbell bench and achieve strong results. (pushing with chest not shoulders and tris).

[quote=stillllish]**DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM IF YOU WANT PECS**

Cable flys? bro...

I have listened to so many professional bodybuilders say they have only done cable flys for photo shoots. Want big pecs? Bench press with a bar. Don't give a ninny response about contractions because that won't give you big pecs. Bench press, incline bench press, decline bench press, dips, DUMBELL PULLOVERS. All you need.[/quote]

Ive done cable fly hypersets mixed with bench and pushups sets. Not all that bad O_o

[quote=stillllish]@rixworkwix: Can't tell if kidding or serious? Ignoring human anatomy? Barbell bench press is structural enhancement (dumbells will never enhance your structure and cables definitely won't, you sir, are the one ignoring human anatomy. Dumbells and cables = big pecs? Nobody ever. Work hard or stop, it's the kids like you who share their opinion too much end up misleading others.

No pec goals of 2015? 315 for 4 reps no spotter at 191. Can bet you're not even close.

Stick to maplestory cool kid.[/quote]
The obvious flaw in Bench press is it has leak in the human kinetic chain. You're liable to catch a slipped disc with that ego lifting you got going on. Who cares about your pecs. Flaunting those # is suppose to give you street cred? Dumbbells are fundamentally the base of all lifts. CABLES & dumbbells teach the body to implement the secondary muscles used to stabilize the torso. That is already being done with the bar in a bench press.

@stillllish: tell me exactly how you think the bench press stimulates the chest. i am not saying it is not a alright chest exercise, i am saying it is the most over rated chest exercise, you build a muscle by stimulataing it, not by thinking you are stimulating it. there is working hard then working smart. and i dont care about your bench number. we are talking about pecs. the only thing that would matter in this convo are your pecs. if i wanted your raw total then maybe. and youre right i have a poverty bench but that is because of other reasons. i dont belive you can do 315 with good form for 1 second and i also dont care. if you can show me a well developed chest with only doing bench il shut my mouth. it okay il take it slow for you you sound like a "le reddit lifter" or the 50% of the misc that dosnt lift.

@rixworkwix: Can't tell if kidding or serious? Ignoring human anatomy? Barbell bench press is structural enhancement (dumbells will never enhance your structure and cables definitely won't, you sir, are the one ignoring human anatomy. Dumbells and cables = big pecs? Nobody ever. Work hard or stop, it's the kids like you who share their opinion too much end up misleading others.

No pec goals of 2015? 315 for 4 reps no spotter at 191. Can bet you're not even close.

Stick to maplestory cool kid.

[quote=achyif]Genetics, I assume..[/quote]

this too. i have wide clavicles and because of that my chest/shoulders are just naturally wider.

Genetics, I assume..

Protein overdose +steriods+chestday

@stillllish: yea and all professional bb are on tren,test, clen , var, dbol, deca. Not all at one but they have been. How are you gonna ignore mucle contraction? It's literally the way you build mucle, build that mind mucle connection. Strong bro science , strong ignoring human anatomy. Have fun with your no pec goals of 2015

WAY TO GET PECS
CHEST EVERYDAY DON'T GIVE AF ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY.
CHEST WHEN YOU DO LEGS DON'T GIVE AF ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY.
CHEST WHEN YOU DO CHEST DON'T GIVE AF ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY.
CONSISTENCY CONSISTENCY CONSISTENCY
Old fashion dumbbell curls will attribute to chest gains. LIKE NO OTHER.

[quote=rixworkwix]bench is the most over rated movement for chest. the muscle does not get an amazing contraction with the movement the bench is making you do. same for flag pole. if you want an amazing chest then do dips and cable flys. flag pole is more of a back dominate movement.[/quote]
**DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM IF YOU WANT PECS**

Cable flys? bro...

I have listened to so many professional bodybuilders say they have only done cable flys for photo shoots. Want big pecs? Bench press with a bar. Don't give a ninny response about contractions because that won't give you big pecs. Bench press, incline bench press, decline bench press, dips, DUMBELL PULLOVERS. All you need.

[quote=123abt]Try doing workouts that focus straight on chest. Bench will help a lot, but I found doing the human flag pose or a variation of that just works so much better in getting the initial start of gaining chest muscle[/quote]

bench is the most over rated movement for chest. the muscle does not get an amazing contraction with the movement the bench is making you do. same for flag pole. if you want an amazing chest then do dips and cable flys. flag pole is more of a back dominate movement.

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some people just cant. i barely can get any tone in my pectorals. its hard. Just keep benching

maybe if u hold them at night in the shape you want them to be, they'll mold into those moobs.

Varsity rings bro

Try doing workouts that focus straight on chest. Bench will help a lot, but I found doing the human flag pose or a variation of that just works so much better in getting the initial start of gaining chest muscle

thats gonna take major weight lifting...

Work on upper body strength everyday (e.g. push-up,bench press,...)

Walmart.

Hit chest everyday, bro

Implants or estrogen