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[quote=urafruitcake]@BobR: a wise mod once said, why suspend a user for posting in wrong section when you could simply move it?
and nowhere did I say I was selling nx, I just said names of people who I trust.
as for "attacking" other basil users I called a guy stupid sue me.[/quote]
Posting in the wrong section and admitting you put it in the wrong section isn't the same as an honest mistake. Being suspended for it should at least make you think twice about posting in the wrong section on purpose again.
"Vouching" for people selling NX is just as much a violation as selling it yourself. It's still discussing something that's against the ToU.
And attacking other users is still a Rule #1 violation.

You're admitting you broke the rules, but you don't expect to be suspended for it..?
Your previous post makes it sound like you were horribly wronged. Doesn't sound like it now.

[quote=sparkshooter]"Bypassing Jail is not allowed. If you use another user's account to post, it will be jailed and/or deleted. If you create multiple accounts to post, they will all be deleted."?
Technically, he's not bypassing jail though. Complaining about Nexon isn't against the rules. And technically, he isn't using another [i]user's[/i] account, he would be using his own. And two accounts really isn't a "multiple".

Although I see your point.[/quote]

Rule #10's explanation isn't really adequate as the thing ultimately means you can have only one account at the same time. The difference is that if you have two accounts and you're never using one (to let it bleed to death) you're okay, if you have two and sometimes use one and sometimes the other, one of them will be erased and the other suspended, but if you use one account to bypass a suspension- oh boy.
There was this guy in the Warrior section that got IP banned for making literally dozens of accounts in order to attack the Warriors, but he somehow manages to come back from time to time. He did and still does violate rule #10 badly. Pretty much "megasuperultimatemaster" violations.

[quote=3moRaccoon]@Pavchka: At least your interactive with the community!

And it's not bad, it's just that the bad people outshine the good. "One bad apple spoils the bunch" huh?[/quote]

Loud minority, silent majority. I sometimes receive PMs or meet people in game who give me compliments. Those are always nice to receive.
It's really darn hard not to produce a cliche like "Only doin' my job!" when that happens.

@Pavchka: At least your interactive with the community!

And it's not bad, it's just that the bad people outshine the good. "One bad apple spoils the bunch" huh?

[quote=Pavchka]I couldn't help but "lolwut" either, but that's just me discovering a new flame I guess (nerd alert). A variety of it made it into my Bachelor's Thesis.
It'll never beat my alltime favourite: "What do you know about culture you klingon?" from one angry Basiler to another.

The community of Basil is one of the strangest I've ever seen with on the one hand a lot of immaturity and sometimes hysteria, but on the other hand there's also a lot of friendliness and support. Doesn't compute!
But yeah, things aren't going well at the "top" right now. I'm to blame too because I'm not nearly as active as I used to be (today's an exception because some genuinely interesting stuff is going on and even better: mature conversation!) because of deadlines and extreme amounts of homework (up to 25 A4s worth of translations per week).

@RandomDudeGuy: NX selling is against the ToS and rule #4 extends into the ToS, so yeah... that's why.

@MikonPan: I never know those sites were that strict. I always assumed South Perry to be less strict because that's where the people who have been banned from Basil appear to go. I've heard glorious stories about the site's relaxedness (especially because 99% of the time I'm linked to that site it's because someone has been complaining about us there).

@sparkshooter: He can't do that, he'd break rule #10 if he did. And that's pretty much a capital crime. T_T[/quote]
"Bypassing Jail is not allowed. If you use another user's account to post, it will be jailed and/or deleted. If you create multiple accounts to post, they will all be deleted."?
Technically, he's not bypassing jail though. Complaining about Nexon isn't against the rules. And technically, he isn't using another [i]user's[/i] account, he would be using his own. And two accounts really isn't a "multiple".

Although I see your point.

[quote=3moRaccoon]@Pavchka: Well, I appreciate your dedication to this website! You'd be a better Sheriff than *cough*.... Mr. Basil >.>[/quote]

Ouch, hahah. I don't think I'd be strong enough to be a site admin like MrBasil. I tend to beat myself up for my mistakes to the extent that I've been sending Basilers apology notes if I had made a mistake and falsely suspended them by accident and I've also signed suspensions whenever I felt that would be appropriate. I haven't had any negative replies yet and nobody has fussed about it in the forums either although I openly gave out my identity each time. This community isn't so bad!

Not sure of he really said that but if he did
it doesnt matter because he has the best maple fan site

@Pavchka: Well, I appreciate your dedication to this website! You'd be a better Sheriff than *cough*.... Mr. Basil >.>

[quote=3moRaccoon]@Pavchka: I feel bad that I laughed at the 'Stalin' part.

Eh, this community is tumbling down like an avalanche, and unless some divine intervention occurs (enter: MrBasil), we're heading for an Armageddon of this website.[/quote]

I couldn't help but "lolwut" either, but that's just me discovering a new flame I guess (nerd alert). A variety of it made it into my Bachelor's Thesis.
It'll never beat my alltime favourite: "What do you know about culture you klingon?" from one angry Basiler to another.

The community of Basil is one of the strangest I've ever seen with on the one hand a lot of immaturity and sometimes hysteria, but on the other hand there's also a lot of friendliness and support. Doesn't compute!
But yeah, things aren't going well at the "top" right now. I'm to blame too because I'm not nearly as active as I used to be (today's an exception because some genuinely interesting stuff is going on and even better: mature conversation!) because of deadlines and extreme amounts of homework (up to 25 A4s worth of translations per week).

@RandomDudeGuy: NX selling is against the ToS and rule #4 extends into the ToS, so yeah... that's why.

@MikonPan: I never know those sites were that strict. I always assumed South Perry to be less strict because that's where the people who have been banned from Basil appear to go. I've heard glorious stories about the site's relaxedness (especially because 99% of the time I'm linked to that site it's because someone has been complaining about us there).

@sparkshooter: He can't do that, he'd break rule #10 if he did. And that's pretty much a capital crime. T_T

I agree with his thread, but I'm actually worrying for him, doesn't Nexon occasionally supply the Nx codes for Basilversary? At least he could've made that thread on another account.

[quote=RandomDudeGuy]MrBasil is good.
Mods are kinda bad though,
My friend got like suspended for a very bad reason.
Someone asks Basilers that "Should I buy NX from this guy?"
He's like "Ya if he has like tons of vouchers."
Then he got suspended from posting.[/quote]
And the reason given to your friend would have been that buying and selling NX is against Nexon's Terms of Use, and and discussing buying and selling NX is against the Basilmarket rules.

@Pavchka: I feel bad that I laughed at the 'Stalin' part.

Eh, this community is tumbling down like an avalanche, and unless some divine intervention occurs (enter: MrBasil), we're heading for an Armageddon of this website.

[quote=3moRaccoon]@Pavchka: I'm glad he did too. But I wonder why he stopped making those 'b-files' entries.. I found them pretty entertaining.

Someone needs to get in touch with him DIRECTLY about this... but he is Mr [b]Basil[/b] of [b]Basilmarket[/b]...[/quote]

Yeah, I liked them as well. Maybe he gave up because of the "Why is this on the front page? Oh yeah, Stalin put it there" comments. They're not very encouraging.

@Pavchka: I'm glad he did too. But I wonder why he stopped making those 'b-files' entries.. I found them pretty entertaining.

Someone needs to get in touch with him DIRECTLY about this... but he is Mr [b]Basil[/b] of [b]Basilmarket[/b]...

[quote=3moRaccoon]Ah, I see. I didn't know there was a specific thread for mods either <.<

I just wish Mr Basil would be more interactive with the community. It seems like he just uses this website for P/C's and banning.

He needs to do what you did: define the rules [b]clearly[/b]. You guys are mods, you really shouldn't be left with that type of responsibility. Mr. Basil is the deputy, he makes the rules and he needs to be clear about them.

I don't see how he has the time to make a 2000+ word rant on Nexon but not have the time to edit/add things to the [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/rules]rules[/url] section. Albeit, I do appreciate his input (on the subject he did the rant on), he should focus his attention on the thousands of users that use this website.

He seems a little clueless as to what this community is facing, if you ask me. For example, a while ago when the Basilversary started, he had no clue that world alliances had taken place and the auctions became jacked-up as a result. He didn't realize until I told him in his own thread about 3 weeks after the alliances took place.[/quote]

Agreed, agreed, agreed. There's too much distance between him and the community. There's even been talk that he's the alter ego of all of us moderators and that he doesn't exist. Some sort of super MrBot that can take any flak meant for us.
If he interacts with the community more he'll be better aware of the needs and wishes of the community and the community will get to know him better. He'd humanise himself. I've been trying to get more response from the community and planned on posting a few threads to ask for the Basilers' feedback and so did Zora, but our attempts were shot down.
I'm glad he started playing that Jett so he got in touch with the game again and he also tried to be in touch with the community a bit more. People really appreciated that. Their administrator was alive!

i feel like i am readying a political message.

[quote=Pavchka]I'd gladly link it to you, but he removed it completely (after first moving it to the Mod section by accident because he [i]did[/i] feel it would be a nice reminder for us- but there already was a similar thread in there. I don't see why we should have access to it while the regular users shouldn't) and I didn't save it anywhere, so it's completely gone. I don't know what he'd do if I compiled that list again and posted it here.
The list covered unclear things such as torrenting, jailbreaking and Maplestory-proxy discussion, that aren't explicitely found anywhere in the rules, but that users can't talk about anyway. They're not straightforward either because all three are under certain circumstances okay by law. The proxy issue is double-sided anyway, which is all the more confusing.

Ah, I just found the original in the Mod section. It's not as extensive as the one I posted more than a year ago.

Oh whoopsie, I posted a bit of the old thread anyway in this comment. My bad.[/quote]

Ah, I see. I didn't know there was a specific thread for mods either <.<

I just wish Mr Basil would be more interactive with the community. It seems like he just uses this website for P/C's and banning.

He needs to do what you did: define the rules [b]clearly[/b]. You guys are mods, you really shouldn't be left with that type of responsibility. Mr. Basil is the deputy, he makes the rules and he needs to be clear about them.

I don't see how he has the time to make a 2000+ word rant on Nexon but not have the time to edit/add things to the [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/show/rules]rules[/url] section. Albeit, I do appreciate his input (on the subject he did the rant on), he should focus his attention on the thousands of users that use this website.

He seems a little clueless as to what this community is facing, if you ask me. For example, a while ago when the Basilversary started, he had no clue that world alliances had taken place and the auctions became jacked-up as a result. He didn't realize until I told him in his own thread about 3 weeks after the alliances took place.

[quote=3moRaccoon]Could I please see this thread?[/quote]

I'd gladly link it to you, but he removed it completely (after first moving it to the Mod section by accident because he [i]did[/i] feel it would be a nice reminder for us- but there already was a similar thread in there. I don't see why we should have access to it while the regular users shouldn't) and I didn't save it anywhere, so it's completely gone. I don't know what he'd do if I compiled that list again and posted it here.
The list covered unclear things such as torrenting, jailbreaking and Maplestory-proxy discussion, that aren't explicitely found anywhere in the rules, but that users can't talk about anyway. They're not straightforward either because all three are under certain circumstances okay by law. The proxy issue is double-sided anyway, which is all the more confusing.

Ah, I just found the original in the Mod section. It's not as extensive as the one I posted more than a year ago.

Oh whoopsie, I posted a bit of the old thread anyway in this comment. My bad.

[quote=Pavchka]The rules of Basil are some of the strictest I have seen on the Ne-

No, never mind. They [i]are[/i] the strictest. And not straight forward either (and that, dear people, is one of the most significant reasons why people think we're ban happy and biased). I once made a thread pointing out literally everything a user can be warned, suspended or extremed for (long list), but MrBasil didn't appreciate it and removed it. He said it created confusion.

I guess it's the age limit for this site; 10+. If it were moved up we'd be allowed to post more different comments. Who knows...[/quote]

Could I please see this thread?

[quote=CrystalShadow]@BobR: @Pavchka: I don't have a problem with the way the rules are enforced, however I do have a problem with the frequency they are enforced at. It feels like Basil is completely unmoderated in the majority of the time. Granted I frequent Basil at times where mods and such may be asleep, I feel that there should be a much greater moderator presence. Whether that may come from more moderators being employed (in different time zones especially), or greater frequency from existing moderators doesn't matter. It just feels that Basil, for the most part, is unmoderated--which is the main reason I don't visit the site nearly as much as I used to.[/quote]

We're having inactivity problems indeed. I myself am having so many deadlines that I can't spend as much time on Basil as I'd like to. Now moderation happens mostly in surges, while it should happen consistently and continually.

@urafruitcake: Probably ridiculous things you could have avoided by reading through the rules once. I hardly EVER get suspended and I'm around nearly 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Besides, the moderators don't decide on the rules. They only get to enforce them.

[quote=urafruitcake]if you see the things I get suspended for, you wouldn't want anymore mods.[/quote]
Yes, like intentionally posting in the wrong forum section, attacking other Basil users and selling NX.
You did read the rules when you signed up..?

@BobR: @Pavchka: I don't have a problem with the way the rules are enforced, however I do have a problem with the frequency they are enforced at. It feels like Basil is completely unmoderated in the majority of the time. Granted I frequent Basil at times where mods and such may be asleep, I feel that there should be a much greater moderator presence. Whether that may come from more moderators being employed (in different time zones especially), or greater frequency from existing moderators doesn't matter. It just feels that Basil, for the most part, is unmoderated--which is the main reason I don't visit the site nearly as much as I used to.

[quote=StewieFG41]@BobR: Ok, lets forget the tldr thing, I agree I deserved a suspension. but I get suspended 4 times a week.. I can't have any fun on this site[/quote]

Funny thing is, there are THOUSANDS of people who use Basil who "have fun" every day and never get suspended.
If your idea of "having fun" involves breaking the rules, then there's your answer.

[quote=MmmmmHmm]If like the other user said and a user agreement were to be placed with the section, wouldn't it be the users fault and not Mr. B's fault if anything bad happens?[/quote]

Theoretically, but I think people would ultimately hold MrBasil responsible anyway, since purely be creating such a section he would enable younger users to look at mature content (they'd always find a way to sneak in). But then in turn Nexon enanles underaged users to play their game etc etc... there are always loopholes! And that's why we can't have nice things. >.<

Eh, back to painstakingly translating a government flyer about terrorism from crappy Dutch into better English.

[quote=Pavchka]I would like that (I for one would be able to post more without having to constantly watch what I say). The only issue with it is that people can fake their age.
Especially the website's policies when it comes to sex are a bit... meh and with double standards if you ask me. It's not like I want a sex-ed section per se, but users should be able to discuss the subject to some extent IMO.[/quote]

If like the other user said and a user agreement were to be placed with the section, wouldn't it be the users fault and not Mr. B's fault if anything bad happens?

[quote=StewieFG41]@Pavchka: They should make an 18+ section, where you have to agree to go in, so you are warned for the cursing[/quote]

I would like that (I for one would be able to post more without having to constantly watch what I say). The only issue with it is that people can fake their age.
Especially the website's policies when it comes to sex are a bit... meh and with double standards if you ask me. It's not like I want a sex-ed section per se, but users should be able to discuss the subject to some extent IMO.

@doncar97:

It most certainly does. Indifference allows you to elect a candidate based most on how well you think their policies will work.

[quote=StewieFG41]@BobR: Ok, lets forget the tldr thing, I agree I deserved a suspension. but I get suspended 4 times a week.. I can't have any fun on this site[/quote]

The rules of Basil are some of the strictest I have seen on the Ne-

No, never mind. They [i]are[/i] the strictest. And not straight forward either (and that, dear people, is one of the most significant reasons why people think we're ban happy and biased). I once made a thread pointing out literally everything a user can be warned, suspended or extremed for (long list), but MrBasil didn't appreciate it and removed it. He said it created confusion.

I guess it's the age limit for this site; 10+. If it were moved up we'd be allowed to post more different comments. Who knows...

... no offense taken... but it'd be very nice if you guys at least gave some criticism plus examples that could help us improve. "You're not good", "You're biased" and "You just suck" is the type of criticism we can't use- not because it's no fun to hear, but because it's not specific enough.
PM me. Believe it or not, but I'm listening. I will need you to speak, because I can't read minds.

yeah the mods here are all biased and aren't very good

[quote=StewieFG41]What does it matter who's thread it is? People write 'tldr' all the time.[/quote]

The original expression (with the semicolon) being in the filter is apparently a hint people are missing.
So uh... did you report those people? For consistency of course.

[quote=StewieFG41]What does it matter who's thread it is? People write 'tldr' all the time.[/quote]
You didn't read.
People spam "tldr" all the time and people get suspended for spamming "tldr" all the time.
If it's not reported or noticed, it might slip by, but you spam in a thread that's got lots of views and posts, it's going to be seen and noticed no matter whose thread it is.
It's not all that difficult a concept.

[quote=StewieFG41]No one is saying he is not nice.. He needs new mods, I got suspended for saying 'tldr' on his thread. Anyone else writes it on another thread it's fine, I write it on his HOLY thread, suspended for 3days[/quote]
Anyone gets caught spamming "tldr" in a thread, gets suspended.
You spam in a high-profile thread (any high-profile thread) where it's obvious it's going to be seen, what do you think's gonna happen?

And you can't get suspended for 3 days for spamming one time.

I can kinda see where the other guy is coming from. I still appreciate him, I just think that there are things Mr. Basil does that are not perfect.

i agree with the whole moderator arguement, a handful more would be quite nice[they are volunteers...right..? shouldn't be that hard to find a few people]

anyway, the OP - i have never talked to mrbasil or met him, i'm only grateful for the website, he should really host a few community events, bossing etc, get to know his fanbase a bit more

Mr.B...Have my babies...with my wife.

What was wrong with the thread he posted? MrB is a human to and he can complain all he wants; that's what we do as people, we complain and voice our opinions. His voice alone is louder than anyone on here and I appreciate all the help he's giving. All he needs to do is go back over the rules and rewrite them, hire some more mods and give them some more of the reigns to the few he trusts and hire some people to keep the info on the site up to date.

@LoveMyPixels: Well, In my case, 80% of the tickets I have sent (I have sent A LOT) have been taken in action. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[quote=LoveMyPixels]I hate him because he's a hypocrite. And because he owns this website, yet doesn't even update the infos. I still see many outdated things because he's too busy adding his useless ideas that most people wont notice/don't find useful.[/quote]
Instead of criticizing, why don't you send to MrBasil a ticket with all the outdated things you have found? To make a change you have to act against it, not only complain.

We [b]all[/b] appreciate him for at least one reason.
And that reason is, [i]the website he created.[/i]

But, for at least me, it stops there.
The problems persist from:
- hypocritical rules
- bias judgement
- incompetent mods
- technical problems
and the list goes on and on...

I will, however, give him credit for the thread he created. Of all the voices on Basilmarket, his (obviously) is the loudest when it comes to Nexon.

EDIT: @Skyenets basically summed it all up

Mr.Basil is the best from the east and to the west! Go Mr.Basil!~

[quote=Skyenets]@ShadeCaro: I can understand it somewhat. Perhaps he doesn't want to have people do things because in his eyes, it has to be done in a certain way. It's very common to happen, though it doesn't really work out.[/quote]

I guess. It's like my work and my boss.

Oh well, I would hope in the future more sheriffs come forth.

@ShadeCaro: I can understand it somewhat. Perhaps he doesn't want to have people do things because in his eyes, it has to be done in a certain way. It's very common to happen, though it doesn't really work out.

@Skyenets: The logic Mr. Basil uses is a mystery, really.

[quote=ShadeCaro]You are 100% right. If anything, I wish he could add more sheriffs to the group. We have a huge community of random trolls that could deserve a suspension every now and then. I don't personally get why his trust is so limited.[/quote]

Exactly. According to the events that are hosted every now and then on Basil, the active user base is actually around 10 to 20 thousand people. 10 moderators cannot handle that. Especially with the limited amount of power they have.

[quote=Skyenets]I appreciate the thread he created. However the love ends there. He is being fairly incompetent in my eyes when it comes to being an administrator to his own site. He doesn't trust his moderators enough to let them do anything, however he does not take care of the things he doesn't let them do either.[/quote]

You are 100% right. If anything, I wish he could add more sheriffs to the group. We have a huge community of random trolls that could deserve a suspension every now and then. I don't personally get why his trust is so limited.

[quote=Bluex3]But then again, that's life.[/quote]

Heck yeah. Not much you can do about it.

[quote=Pavchka]Hooooooo boy. *crouches together*
The other user has as much a right of criticising MrBasil as you have a right to make this thread. XD As an admin he's going to be hated and loved. Nothing you can do about that. And the thread the other guy posted doesn't come close to the harassment I've seen and also received.[/quote]

But then again, that's life.

I appreciate the thread he created. However the love ends there. He is being fairly incompetent in my eyes when it comes to being an administrator to his own site. He doesn't trust his moderators enough to let them do anything, however he does not take care of the things he doesn't let them do either.

Hooooooo boy. *crouches together*
The other user has as much a right of criticising MrBasil as you have a right to make this thread. XD As an admin he's going to be hated and loved. Nothing you can do about that. And the thread the other guy posted doesn't come close to the harassment I've seen and also received.