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Traded someone for a Shiny, Protean Greninja!
Nature sucks, but IVs are decent (31 in HP and Sp.ATK).

November 10, 2013

24 Comments • Newest first

Perrystar2272

I believe the Greninja has Pokerus,judging by the smiley face next to the shiny star. That's a pretty sweet Greninja,if I do say so myself.

Reply January 25, 2014
iBattleMages

@DemonSlayer:
Basics to stats...
You have base stats which determines stats. Then, you have IV points which are hidden. Every stat can have randomly between 0-31 IV in each stat. For every IV, that's one extra point at level 100. Needless to say, people breed to get 31 in each stat. Then, there's EVs. You can get a max of 252 in each stat, with 510 total. Every 4 EVs gives you one stat at level 100. Therefore, with EV and IV added together, an EV trained and IV bred Pokemon can have up to 94 points more than an un-EV trained Pokemon with 0 IV.

@AbidingHero: I know right? I want one so badly. I heard you need IVs of: 31/31/31/30/31/30 or something. I found someone who had one, but their offer was too high for me. They wanted my 6 IV Marvel Scale Dratini and my 6 IV Eevee AND a 5 IV Female Marvel Scale Dratini and a 5 IV Female Anticipation Eevee. I was like... Um, I'd like to keep my 4 pokes instead of trading them all for one tyvm haha.

Reply November 18, 2013
AbidingHero

@iBattleMages:
Oh sadly i dont have one thats the one i use on showdown.

I would kill for HP fireQ_Q

Reply November 18, 2013 - edited
DemonSlayer

You know, as a boy I never looked at its stats...
Can someone explain me the BEST stats for a perfect pokemon?

Reply November 17, 2013 - edited
iBattleMages

@AbidingHero: You got an HP Fire Greninja? :o I heard that's extremely difficult to obtain.

Reply November 17, 2013 - edited
AbidingHero

[quote=derpypie]@iBattleMages: This is the set I'm using right now for greninja
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam

Taunt makes him shut down other hazard set ups such as ferrothorn and smeargle, and with its high speed, preventing even 1 layer of spikes on your side. Spikes not only is good for getting atleast 1 layer of spikes down if necessary but also changes your type to ground, making you immune to electric (more than once, I've shut down one of a teams sweepers just because it was electric type) and between hydro pump and Ice Bean, you have a large type coverage. The speed is crazy, and i always have a wall on my team where if something could potentially KO me, I just switch out to the wall to take the hit and either force a switch on their team, or ko their pokemon greninja cant handle. as far as his def goes, he has a focus sash which buys him 1 hit against a priority OHKO. usually if they use a priority move that could ko me, i have a move that can ko them, and since they are probably using some buffer sweeper, they would have leftovers instead of a focus sash meaning ill have 1hp left, and they will have 0.

Any other reasons why greninja isnt a good pokemon?[/quote]

Im running
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump / Surf (I typically dont use scald on him because hes too squishy to lose base power)
- Hidden Power Fire
- Extra sensory (may replace with dark pulse)
- Ice Beam

Reply November 17, 2013 - edited
ltalKid

[quote=Erag0n1]Did they make shinies that much easier to find now...
I remember it used to be a very rare occurrence[/quote]

People have been saying that but I just think people are getting lucky like before. People found lots of shinies when other games came out and now they're finding shinies when X / Y are coming out. I haven't found a shiny in X / Y yet but I've found about six other shinies in my past games excluding the Red Gyarados from HG/SS.

Reply November 15, 2013 - edited
Erag0n1

Did they make shinies that much easier to find now...
I remember it used to be a very rare occurrence

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
iBattleMages

@derpypie: Sure. I send out Aegislash or Mawile. Greninja can't do much to them so it switches out. I set up Swords Dance and then proceed to sweep your entire team. But anyways, I'm not denying Greninja is a good Pokemon, it's just that there are other Pokemon who do its job better.

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
derpypie

@iBattleMages: This is the set I'm using right now for greninja
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam

Taunt makes him shut down other hazard set ups such as ferrothorn and smeargle, and with its high speed, preventing even 1 layer of spikes on your side. Spikes not only is good for getting atleast 1 layer of spikes down if necessary but also changes your type to ground, making you immune to electric (more than once, I've shut down one of a teams sweepers just because it was electric type) and between hydro pump and Ice Bean, you have a large type coverage. The speed is crazy, and i always have a wall on my team where if something could potentially KO me, I just switch out to the wall to take the hit and either force a switch on their team, or ko their pokemon greninja cant handle. as far as his def goes, he has a focus sash which buys him 1 hit against a priority OHKO. usually if they use a priority move that could ko me, i have a move that can ko them, and since they are probably using some buffer sweeper, they would have leftovers instead of a focus sash meaning ill have 1hp left, and they will have 0.

Any other reasons why greninja isnt a good pokemon?

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
iBattleMages

@derpypie: He's a terrible wall breaker. There are so many common walls that he can't take down: Aegislash, Scizor, Mawile, etc. He's a decent sweeper but although his speed is impressive and his ability is great, his special attack doesn't give him nearly enough power to take down anything. He needs life orb + SR and spikes damage to efficiently sweep. As for hazard setup, he can set up one layer of spikes before he gets KO'd. Skarmory/Forretress with Custap does a much better job, almost always guaranteeing SR and at least 1 layer of spikes. Furthermore, his frail defenses allow so many things to take him out. Ex: Talonflame with Gale Wings, Mawile with Sucker Punch, Kangaskhan with Sucker Punch, Dragonite with Extremespeed, Scizor with Bullet Punch, Aegislash with Shadow Sneak.

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
derpypie

@iBattleMages: You dont find greninja very useful? He is a wall breaker, a sweeper, a hazard set up. I can take out usually half a team with him alone.

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
iBattleMages

@iCodykins: Masuda Breeding - 1 in 1000 or so for shiny. Regular Breeding - 1 in 8000 or so.

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
iCodykins

@iBattleMages: No, you can get hidden ability shinies the same rate as normal shinies with breeding. If your parent with the ability holds an Eviolite it will pass down the ability 100% of the time. You can literally design perfect Pokemon in this generation.

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
iBattleMages

@derpypie: I can breed a shiny, Protean one if I wanted to. However, as I stated, I don't find Greninja very useful competitively.

@iCodykins: Yes, I am well aware you can obtain hidden ability shinies via normal breeding. However, the rate is astronomically low. Regardless, that was not my initial point; my initial point was that when you said this Greninja was "obviously" from the safari, it's really not obvious because it could just as well have been from breeding. I said Masuda because if anyone were breeding for shinies, that would be the method they use.

@FamilyOuting: Traded a shiny Charmeleon.

Reply November 14, 2013 - edited
FamilyOuting

What... Who would trade this away & what did you trade for it?

Reply November 13, 2013 - edited
Powerbomb

[quote=Bluebell]pokemon XY has higher chance on shiny pokemon or something?[/quote]

Nah, people are just getting lucky. No actual evidence that the rate's changed. I've seen people go through like 500 mons without getting a shiny while others get it in like 3 encounters

Reply November 13, 2013 - edited
iCodykins

@iBattleMages: You can obtain a shiny with hidden ability from normal breeding. Masuda method only changes the chances of obtaining a shiny, nothing else.

@derpypie: you can breed hidden abilities just fyi. In gen 6 males can pass down hidden abilities as well.

Reply November 13, 2013 - edited
derpypie

but you just said its nature sucks. if its nature sucks it wouldnt be the greatest for tournaments, so you would have to breed it to get the right nature, but then it loses protean AND it wouldnt be shiny either, it would just be a normal greninja. I found a shiny exploud, it has a crappy nature too, im not using it.

Reply November 13, 2013 - edited
iBattleMages

@iCodykins: Well, this one is from Safari but Masuda Breeding is another method to obtain a hidden ability shiny. This one has decent IV I guess... 31 in HP and Sp.Atk. Its nature is terrible though. I'm never going to use it competitively haha

Reply November 12, 2013 - edited
iCodykins

IVs are decent because you're guaranteed at least 2 perfect IVs from Pokemon Safari. Because Pokemon Safari is where you get the hidden abilities, it's obviously from there. Additionally, shinies are much easier to find in the safari. After an hour of searching on two different occasions, I found two shinies. However, nice job on it.

Reply November 12, 2013 - edited
LeadIn

[quote=Bluebell]pokemon XY has higher chance on shiny pokemon or something?[/quote]

Yeah I think its about 1/64 or something

OT:Lucky been trying to get one for the past few days

Reply November 11, 2013 - edited
Bluebell

pokemon XY has higher chance on shiny pokemon or something?

Reply November 11, 2013 - edited