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Priests were made to be a supportive class, not a damage dealing one. Be happy you got a decent AoE and damage dealing skills. If you dont like it, delete your bishop and make a Dual Derper.

I'm one of those bishops who quit and made a new character as soon as news of BB hit >_<. After all, people were saying that the magic hit rate would change and little lukless me would go straight into the dumpster of useless characters, right next to hp warriors (although, I'm not quite sure what to believe at the moment).

I do have to say, it is quite fun to see people fight over you at skeles though, as the majority of my bishop friends have also made new characters. It makes us feel appreciated for once :x.

Man I just love the sound of my bishop killing like 10 skele at once.
1st comes a silent smooth sound of genesis flying thru the air, then you hear the skele get hit and scream all together
while genesis hits the floor with a massive bang like a big chinese gong thingy.

I <3 bishops

i dont even get why people treat bishops like tools
we dont go on runs just to heal/hs you
if i wanan heal/hs, i might as well just heal/hs my own accounts
and we dont go on runs for exp, i dont even go on any runs as a matter of fact,
i rather just leech myself gaining more exp than going on runs
so if you can threaten a bishop by expelling him/her, you can do that to me, i dont give a damn

well if the party treats you badly at cwkpq/htp,etc...
heal them when they are zombified

I agree with this 2 ive finally can say ive walked in the shoes of a mage healer i have met people who treated me like a person and met ppl who used me like a hs mule or healing mule and sure i know its my job and what not but don't talk to us like a tool.
With genesis gone i don't see bishop as a dead class we can still attack and support sure now we have to walk around and attack but spamming in one spot is what made alot of the bishop quit cause it got boring or very old sure we don't have alot of moves as other classes but if you love the class you r then go for it.
This is just my opinion to the bishop out there don't give up and continue with the good fight ^^ Happy Mapling

@GiraNoir most definitely, and I agree on your points about KSing. I try to find a peaceful resolution to everything.

I am a firm believer of "hate the player not the class" and I am sure many people here (particularly Bishops) have shared their words about not being generalized because of other Bishops. The irony in all this? I've seen numerous people with Bishops/AMs trash DBs because they are deemed KSers aswell.

No, im not trying to upset the Bishop population but take things into consideration next time some of you comment on DBs & KSing. You've felt what we're going through now, why add on to it?

[b]Note:[/b] Since I am actively on DB hate threads, I tend to remember some of the players that condemn DBs with generalizations. I'm surprised to see that some have Bishops. Not gonna point them out but the it's just ironic to see.

[quote=Firstshinobi]Wow.... i hope you know a bunch a bishops grinded to 120. No one wants an Evan in a boss run really... since they cant heal and holy symbol and you guys dont get your rev skill until level 160+ bishops can get it at 120. Oh and i soul stone only revive 3 people ( so does resurrection).[/quote]

Ressurection can revive the other 5 party members instantaneously given they're within range and all dead do some more research.

You do realize that if we get an exp curve leveling will be a hell of a lot easier, even without a bishop. People don't say CC please just because you're a bishop,they say it to everyone and they say it because there are so many 12 year olds who think they're soo cool cause they have a higher level character who can ks, oh wait...

[b]First of all, just because A FEW bishops KS you.. Doesn't mean that EVERY SINGLE bishop would KS you. i am seriously tired of having to CC into gallos maps ,and have everyone say"CC plz" without me doing anything. [/b]

This WILL result me in KSing your map from you. As i find this really annoying.

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This statement is proof enough that Bishop's are generally KSers at heart. If you KS someone just because they say "cc please" or something, you're just adding onto the bad name of Bishops. I hate when people proclaim that they are not there to KS unless the person who is rightfully there does something that they consider wrong. I will forever and always find Bishops to be the asses of Maple Story.

[quote=xiceflamez]And people complain about dual blades..[/quote]
We get hate for more than just KSing bro...it ok though, we shall prevail.

oh and... @GiraNoir Hi Tasha! Best of luck on 2 more levels!

I only have 5 words to say:
Genesis Cool-down and good riddance

[quote=Bookjem]Time to put sp into doom :][/quote]

way ahead of ya >

[quote=PepperCrab]Who cares about Bishops? All you do is leech off of other classes to reach 120 and act as a heal mule. Don't act all high and mighty as though the game would crumble without you mate. Ever heard of something called a potion? Plus we Evans are able to revive FIVE people after Big Bang. Who still needs you anyway?[/quote]
Seriously? I based my one and only bishop off a solo/party build back when I was a priest ('07~'09). And I was somewhat shy around people so I didn't even party unless someone found me and asked. You have no idea how hard it is to raise a bishop. Even when leeching was out, I couldn't bring myself to make another Bishop because priesthood was difficult to get through.
He didn't say the world will crumble without him either, he's just pointing out some of the effects regarding bishops after BB.
I think my bishop can still be useful.
And what about other classes? Don't they all leech to 120 too? No, they don't. Only SOME PEOPLE in that class do. That's the same for Bishops.

back then priests/bishops were only male...
GG

Bishops are hard to train? Wait, are you talking about getting TO bishop or after that?

i love training with bishops/ 4th job mages
especially when they dont charge me

[quote=James61792]Yeah i'm just going by what i have seen. One of my friends made a priest, spammed heal at mp3, then at jesters, then at himes and used hs whenever training with anyone else. To me it comes off as simple. No need to be calling me dumb for making an observation. Guess my flame shield failed xD[/quote]

Hi Jamesie :o and whats this friends name?

OT: Seriously if you made a bishop for gene or just to level faster, thats great good for you. I made a priest because I like playing a supporting part in parties. What James said is true all I did was pretty much heal from 30-89 and it was pretty easy since all I would do was watch tv and hold down heal and everytime I would need to rebuff I'd do that and back to tv, currently all I'm doing is hsing my friends when they need it and either leeching off them or simply hsing. I like it that way, honestly I don't care if I can't spam gene to 200 because that sounds super boring.

Aight, i guess its time to let the thread die out by itself.

[quote=ForcedBlaze]First of all I don't see the problem with abbreviating "change channel please". It's much quicker then having to type out "change channel please". Second of all how could one even tell if someone was being rude or giving you a bechy attitude? I mean it's obvious if the person whose map you just walked in to says "cc noob", but if they say "cc plz" it's even harder to tell if they're being rude or giving an attitude, especially if they put plz(because plz= please last time I checked) after cc. Not to mention it's even more painstaking because you can't view their gestures. Third of all the main reason, in my opinion, that the majority of maplers say "cc plz" so hastily is because they're afraid of getting ks'd.
I personal wouldn't care if someone said "cc noob", "cc plz", or w/e maplers say. Mainly because I am a man of morals, and with me two wrongs don't make a right. Ok, I'm done.[/quote]

Well, i believe you have a point there; but still, its better if you wait and see if they're doing anything first.

[quote=Komosha]If you're going to quit because of bigbang then do that, that will only prove that you don't know what being a bishop means.
It might be hard to train a cleric but priest isn't since you will always have a train partner and probably someone who wants to share a map with you.
Personally, I find it more fun and interesting that bishops return to what they supposed to be, a SUPPORT CLASS. I want to create a bishop cause I played one and helping at runs (mostly cwpq) was really really fun.
Leeching, ksing aren't the bright side of a bishop, you shouldn't talk about that, and relying your life on a bishop is what a noob would do.[/quote]

Meh, i've made it to 166.. And it is really boring.. I'm only quitting because i want to try out other jobs, not because i hate my class.

Meh, bishops are a useful tool to me. I funded over 5 chars with 1.7bil each from my leech money. Used it as a HS/MW/Door mule for all 5 and got them all to 120+.

[quote=ForcedBlaze]Wait, so just because they do one thing you don't like you're going to KS them? D bag much?[/quote]

It's called common courtesy. If you're in a job interview, do you put your legs up on the table? I'm sure the interviewers will hire you. Hey! It's just one thing. They won't mind.

[quote=demoking123]I wasnt ksing at lv 50? wdf
who r u girl? >_>
and I was just training on my chacters and there is ALWAYS some kind of effin bishop comes to ks my channel,ks for fun, or something >_>[/quote]

Did you annoy the bishop in anyway? Like asked them to CC Plz without them doing anything?

[quote=DragunzXDTH]I heard that its hard to find a HTPQ party from my guildes.
You have to do it for your ultimate?
Do I/L or F/P have to do the same?[/quote]

1. Not really, if you have friends and etc. Its actually pretty easy.

2. Yes

3. No, they get to do something way easier.

[quote=PepperCrab]Who cares about Bishops? All you do is leech off of other classes to reach 120 and act as a heal mule. Don't act all high and mighty as though the game would crumble without you mate. Ever heard of something called a potion? Plus we Evans are able to revive FIVE people after Big Bang. Who still needs you anyway?[/quote]

Uhhh...

Heal = Fast and free consistant healing
Bless = Lost of extra defence, avoid, acc, AND ATTACK.
Holy Symbol = Free exp
Dispel = Free all cure
Mystic Door = Free tele rock
Resurrection = Free Wheel of Destiny

You know what? You're right. We are useless.
Don't expect any bishop, priest, or cleric to come help you at any point i your career.

I never leeched to become a bishop, it was always hard before the first exp curve and the 2x exp events and cards came... I love being a bishop, and bishops/clerics/priest are a female character... and its your such a man PepperCrab, then why do you even play MapleStory? Its a game that is for kids and teenagers. I played many other jobs and characters, but its just not the same, but yes it is fun. MapleStory was a lot more fun before people like you started playing. I don't ever ks anyone or ask much to CC, thanks to the mini dungeons. I would only ks my guild mates, but its a guild event activity.

[quote=demoking123]I dont effin care
Bishops r the foolish ksers job ._.[/quote]

Well have you done anything to annoy the bishop? Like saying"CC plz" without them killing anything?

And how will KS wars be Settled after the big bang? A bunch of arans in one map?

[quote=propsair]Who cares about bishops... psh[/quote]

=.=. Looks at basil char.

Who cares about bishops... psh

[quote=ZeroKnightz]I've trained and bossed with Bishops before, tons of times, so I can live without bishops.[/quote]

Lol. Exactly my point.

@GuitarGoo: That's always a good choice to make...However, many people prefer supporting parties over the higher-levelled skills, so remember, some people just might treat you like crap for no reason.

@UltimaStarzz: LOL yeah the dragon just makes us look sooo tough. But if I had to pick, I'd trade the dragon for the healing ability. I'm just in a great mood about mages getting boosted after big bang. So I certainly will be making a cleric soon.

[quote=GuitarGoo]@UltimaStarzz: I know, I was just expressing my excitement about the boost evans are getting. It seems like they are the least popular mage class for higer levels. I don't see many level 120+ evans as opposed to bishops/arch mages. But bishops are extremely essential to the game. No other class can heal. (yet)[/quote]

I understand, but personally, I Think you overlooked one thing: There are indeed less higher-level Evans around, but that's because there are more types of Mages. The Adventurer (Ice/Lightning, Fire/Poison, and Cleric) ones, plus the Cygnus Blaze Wizards. However, you guys do have some pretty badass skills, AND a permanent dragon. Dude, you know I only added points into Bahamut 'cause I WISH I had a dragon that followed me everywhere? Anywho, that's that, but yeah, I'm glad all the jobs are getting boosted...Should make training more interesting for all my characters now.

[quote=PepperCrab]Clerics and priests are for girls. Try making a character a MAN would play or have your pubes not grown in yet? Try getting a page to Paladin-hood then run your mouth off mate.

To the TS: You say not all Bishops KS yet you say you KS people for telling you to CC. And you wonder why people despise Bishops so much.[/quote]

I like your manly glasses, Mate.

Every class was made for a reason and this fight about Bishops or any one else being useless after the Big Bang is completely worthless, a waste of time, and you make enemies for what? YOU get nothing out of this fight but all of you cannot control your tongues and actually wait until after the Big Bang to see the outcomes.

@UltimaStarzz: I know, I was just expressing my excitement about the boost evans are getting. It seems like they are the least popular mage class for higer levels. I don't see many level 120+ evans as opposed to bishops/arch mages. But bishops are extremely essential to the game. No other class can heal. (yet)

@James61792: Dude I wasn't calling you in general dumb, I said, if you believed that all Clerics/Priests/Bishops do is Heal for all eternity, then you're stupid for even considering that, but no, I wasn't trying to go all-out and insult anyone. Only reason I typed that monologue of a story of my training from 70-124, was to go in-depth to let you know, crap is hard for a Priest, especially a solo'ing one.

What makes THAT bad, is that I used the traditional "Party build" (Level 11 Holy Arrow, Max everything else in 2nd job), instead of max'ing Holy Arrow, so that made it rougher on myself, but, in the more than likely event that I party again someday, I'll have a good skill set to go by.

@PepperCrab

-Have fun training without hs
-Have fun burning pots and wasting money, since there will be no heal.
-Have fun dying in dojo when crog comes and you're too weak to hold your own
-Have fun dying at a boss run since evans can't res themselves, and no bishop would dare help you.
-Have fun not getting dispelled once you run out of all cure's.
-Have fun WALKING all the way to your training spot, since you'll have no door.

-looks at level- yeah, you've got aways to go before you boss. Have fun getting to 120 without a priest or bishop. All we wanted to do was help make your maple training life easier.

I dont' see how training a bishop gets repetitive. (post BB), I would think its just like training a mage, and I find it fun, and I would give up my ultimate just for that style of training. You have holy arrow, I have cold beam, then in third you have shining ray, I have ice strike, u have tele mastery, and so do it, and I think that makes the training so much better, you have heal, i have lightning. Not to mention the buffs that you have are much more useful than before. What I'm saying is that a bishop is supposed to be a support class, so a bishop asking for damage doesn't make sense to me.

I don't agree with people bashing bishops, the people who do are the ones who are ignorant, people who are not ignorant usually can see the positive and the negative aspects of being a bishop. I however, also don't agree with bishops asking for more damage, they are not meant to be damage hoars.

I love Bishops I don't want them to put a cooldown on Gen. It makes me sad.

But I gotta be honest when I say Bishops are common worthless chars. Not the people and overall, but individually many people make Bishops and they're even more common than NLs.

I myself have info to three Bishops that just get shared around. The owners quit and left info to my buddies, who in turn share with me. You never hear stories like that for attacker class characters, it's rare for those to be shared.

I've trained and bossed with Bishops before, tons of times, so I can live without bishops.

Bishops will always be needed as a support class. If their popularity goes down, Nexon will just enhance their buffs.

[quote=PepperCrab]Clerics and priests are for girls. Try making a character a MAN would play or have your pubes not grown in yet? Try getting a page to Paladin-hood then run your mouth off mate.

To the TS: You say not all Bishops KS yet you say you KS people for telling you to CC. And you wonder why people despise Bishops so much.[/quote]

Says a boy wearing a flower in his hair.

I will be making other characters for fun but i wont be quitting the character i worked so hard on =)

Personally I can Live without bishops. < Pots,Massive Avoid, Smokescreen(Heal), Chakra(pot lock) , Taunt(Holy Symbol), etc.
I got nothing against bishops. just doesn't matter to me xd

I for sure am not ditching my Bishop.

[quote=Taichikara]Well, evans did have it that way before DBs and arans and cks before us... so yeah... x_x
Eh, been following this thread so it's been irking me. [/quote]
Oh there's no doubt that all the other classes have had their share of generalizations, I just find it ironic that (if you look at the DB hate threads) The hate comes from classes that (have) had hatred thrown their way. I know its all about the players and not the class.

@UltimaStarzz understandable, I too (at times) have been very verbal about defending DBsm but I try my best to keep it at a broad stand point. I know how I manage myself on the game, so I don't find it neccessary to push it out there. I commend that you are passionate about your class, that's a good thing. Honestly I came here at first to see if anyone would come out and bash on DBs.

I just think it's odd that you only have 84 fame at lvl 16x... Got defamed a lot for ksing?