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Why is this in the section about shades? Lol

very possible. as shown earlier you dont even need tyrants to get 2m range and you dont even need crazy % stat items to achieve it. its prefered that you have at least 5 stars. its not a necessity but tyrants are easy range boosters. i dont even use a tyrant belt and i got well over 2m range. 5 star tyrants with 15% luk gear and an end game claw should suffice. most of range comes from % att and % total damage so cubing your weapon secondary and emblem is priority

[quote=Undexme]didnt spend nothing[/quote]

So you did spend something.

@Datfeelwhen:
thats some bump
but again , didnt spend nothing

[quote=Undexme] no dollar was spent[/quote]

lets be honest no one gets that range without spending money.

@Axnslicer:
so my point is that it is in no way JUNK , even if its less than ATK

% atk is always a good line i agree and its better than % boss after a certain mark ( around 260 for me )
but i dont think you can pick PDR or CRIT over total dmg - atleast not as a NL
because as i listed above , there are many many sources for them and you can get max critical and high enough pdr to counter all bosses WITHOUT spending pot lines on them while giving myself as an example , sorry if it made you upset

so yes , atk is better than total , and i agree with that
moreover , if i got 30% total dmg on my main weapon i would definetly recube, but i really really disagree with your wording calling it ' worst potential ' or ' junk ' , thats all

[quote=Undexme]and you are the proof of how when basilers are proven wrong they start making assumptions with no background lol ( [b] spent thousands of dollars cubing %total lines on equips [/b] " ) while in reality, no dollar was spent

thread " can nls reach 2mil without tyrants "
your answer is get PDR or critical because tahts better than total dmg
now i dont want to insult you or anything but that is just ....

if you wanted to " lie " about your range you wanted % att, not total dmg, so your first post was stupid too
even when you said % boss will always be better than total you neglected to point out that that only applys to main pot and not to bonus pot when it comes in smaller amounts
which leadsme to a conclusion which tells me yoru knowledge of this game is not as high as your high english trys to show

and when you reach that understanding then yes, i have my own character to prove you how wrong you are
should i show you 20 mil lines wearing a clean claw and 50 mil lines wearing a claw with 2 lines of total DMG in it ?
or are you blind to facts too?

so yeah
" [b]Also, the point of upgrading is to do better damage[/b] " - you said that
" [b]its not about how many hits to k.o its about high numbers[/b] " - i said that
so where is your arguement?
what are you so desperately trying to say here? that PDR is better than total? or maybe critial is better than total dmg?

bottom line, what is your point? that i show off? that you think i spent $ on the game? where is your actual statement that is supposedly more true than mine?[/quote]

My argument is that % total damage is junk. It makes your range look high, but does almost nothing for your damage on bosses. % att and % boss are almost always good lines. % crit and % pdr are situationally good when you lack them. % total is never a good line, it is at best mediocre.

We're not talking about bonus potential because you always cube for % att on bonus potential, that's indisputable. But yes, you're right that since % boss comes in smaller amounts there, it's basically the same as % total in the bonus lines. If you want, consider all the times I said or referred to "potential" before this paragraph to mean primary potential.

[quote=Axnslicer]Sigh, I guess you're proof that funding and intelligence are not necessarily correlated. I mean, of course I always knew that, but I assumed anyone who bothered to hit cap would at least look up the game mechanics. I feel nothing but pity for you if you actually believe what you say about % total damage being worthwhile, because that means your probably spent thousands of dollars cubing %total lines on equips.

You're the one with the reading problem. See my post from the first page where I explain that % total damage can allow someone to get 2 M range easily, but their damage won't rise correspondingly.

Also, the point of upgrading is to do better damage. Having 2 M visual range is just a marker, and a way to show off, so sacrificing actual dps for the sake of higher "visual range" is just egoistic.

Speaking of which, in every post you make you can't help but make a comment about your damage.
Dude, really, we got it already. But just because you can hit cap doesn't mean your point is valid. Having high damage usually means you know more about the game's mechanics, and lends credibility to your statements, but it's not something to be used as a crutch to hit people over the head with when you disagree with them. Your points should be able to stand by themselves if they're true, so there's no need to mention your range/damage/funding every single post. Saying something once to establish background is fine, saying it a dozen times makes someone look narcissistic.[/quote]

and you are the proof of how when basilers are proven wrong they start making assumptions with no background lol ( [b] spent thousands of dollars cubing %total lines on equips [/b] " ) while in reality, no dollar was spent

thread " can nls reach 2mil without tyrants "
your answer is get PDR or critical because tahts better than total dmg
now i dont want to insult you or anything but that is just ....

if you wanted to " lie " about your range you wanted % att, not total dmg, so your first post was stupid too
even when you said % boss will always be better than total you neglected to point out that that only applys to main pot and not to bonus pot when it comes in smaller amounts
which leadsme to a conclusion which tells me yoru knowledge of this game is not as high as your high english trys to show

and when you reach that understanding then yes, i have my own character to prove you how wrong you are
should i show you 20 mil lines wearing a clean claw and 50 mil lines wearing a claw with 2 lines of total DMG in it ?
or are you blind to facts too?

so yeah
" [b]Also, the point of upgrading is to do better damage[/b] " - you said that
" [b]its not about how many hits to k.o its about high numbers[/b] " - i said that
so where is your arguement?
what are you so desperately trying to say here? that PDR is better than total? or maybe critial is better than total dmg?

bottom line, what is your point? that i show off? that you think i spent $ on the game? where is your actual statement that is supposedly more true than mine?

Sigh, I guess you're proof that funding and intelligence are not necessarily correlated. I mean, of course I always knew that, but I assumed anyone who bothered to hit cap would at least look up the game mechanics. I feel nothing but pity for you if you actually believe what you say about % total damage being worthwhile, because that means your probably spent thousands of dollars cubing %total lines on equips.

[quote=Undexme]you apparently dont know how to read
OP asked range, not best dmg on mobs
50mil on boss is super easy[/quote]

You're the one with the reading problem. See my post from the first page where I explain that % total damage can allow someone to get 2 M range easily, but their damage won't rise correspondingly.

[quote=Axnslicer]Of course it's possible. There are people who have over 70% att on their bonus potentials for their weapon/secondaries/emblems combined. 330% luk is also less than 15% luk per equip. If you want 2 M clean range without 10+ star tyrants, all you need to do is replace/recube all your gear for 30%+ luk and start cubing bonus potentials. Alternatively, you can "fake" getting 2 M range by getting more % total damage, but that would hurt your actual dps.[/quote]

Also, the point of upgrading is to do better damage. Having 2 M visual range is just a marker, and a way to show off, so sacrificing actual dps for the sake of higher "visual range" is just egoistic.

Speaking of which, in every post you make you can't help but make a comment about your damage.

[quote=Undexme]2m - 2m unbuffed without tyrants at all :
[/quote]
[quote=Undexme]@intdit
i dont even know whats better due to range and dmg cap[/quote]
[quote=Undexme]its not about how many hits to k.o its about high numbers
i can hit max dmg on any monster in game boss or not
[/quote]
[quote=Undexme]
50mil on boss is super easy[/quote]

Dude, really, we got it already. But just because you can hit cap doesn't mean your point is valid. Having high damage usually means you know more about the game's mechanics, and lends credibility to your statements, but it's not something to be used as a crutch to hit people over the head with when you disagree with them. Your points should be able to stand by themselves if they're true, so there's no need to mention your range/damage/funding every single post. Saying something once to establish background is fine, saying it a dozen times makes someone look narcissistic.

[quote=Axnslicer]@Undexme: You apparently don't know how % damage works. It's additive with % boss, not multiplicative, and therefore a % boss line will always be better than a % total damage line by definition as long as you're attacking a boss.[/quote]
you apparently dont know how to read
OP asked range, not best dmg on mobs
50mil on boss is super easy

@Undexme: You apparently don't know how % damage works. It's additive with % boss, not multiplicative, and therefore a % boss line will always be better than a % total damage line by definition as long as you're attacking a boss.

[quote=Axnslicer]The lines you want on your weapon potentials are % boss, att, pdr, and maybe crit depending on class. % total damage and % stat are undesirable, but still useful. Additional damage to mobs is useless for most classes at 2 M range, since we 1hko everything that isn't a boss anyway.[/quote]

its not about how many hits to k.o its about high numbers
i can hit max dmg on any monster in game boss or not

beyond 250% boss which is so easy to get ( cra 60% gollux 30% nebs 50% links 30% and rank 10 dojo 25% = 195% without inner pot or item pot at all ) you dont want anymore % boss because the effect is so little and its only to boss
same for PDR beyond a point which is also really easy to get ( book cra gollux harmony and all i already listed above )
critical is a waste of a line as it doesnt incrase range at all and for a NL there are so many sources for that ( links , inner, decent skill, and you begin with a real high base )
im at amx crit without %crit lines for example

so as said % total isnt the best pot, but its not ' undesireble ' or ' one of the most useless lines '

[quote=Undexme]@intdit

% w.att: 94
%Luk: without tyrants on? im guessing a lil over 400 and near 500 with
% Tot Dam: w/e dojo glove i get + 21% + link skills
Total Att: wish i knew, i guess 1k from gear without tyrants

%Total is definetly not " one of the wost still usefull " pot line, its second only to attk and is a huge dmg boost to mob
at my point tbh, i dont even know whats better due to range and dmg cap[/quote]

The lines you want on your weapon potentials are % boss, att, pdr, and maybe crit depending on class. % total damage and % stat are undesirable, but still useful. Additional damage to mobs is useless for most classes at 2 M range, since we 1hko everything that isn't a boss anyway.

[quote=GoXDS]@Undexme well, %Ignore can be argued anywhere on the tier. depends on how much you have and the enemy's PDR. on 180 PDR monster, even if you had 80% Ignore, a 30% Ignore line is 10.8% more dmg. or 40% is 14.4%. compared to Unique/Legendary of 9%/12% (and this isn't factoring other %Total or %Boss). for 120 PDR, it's 7.2%/9.6% respectively but pretty sure 9%/12% total would have a much lower yield in increase in dmg. classes with more inherent %Ignore in skills might put %Ignore lower like Pally but iirc, NL doesn't really have any? I forget.
well, if I wanted to be picky about words, he did say "one of" the worst.
EDIT: nvm. didn't realize Dark Harmony had passive[/quote]

yeah but it wasnt really how can i solo cvel it was is 2m possible woyhout tyrants
i hit max on cvel with only one 35% pdr line on my claw

i think 30 pdr from gollux, 30 from the monster book, 10,10,5,5 from cra and passive harmony with a lumi link skill is already decent, so i wouldnt pick PDR over total DMG

@Undexme well, %Ignore can be argued anywhere on the tier. depends on how much you have and the enemy's PDR. on 180 PDR monster, even if you had 80% Ignore, a 30% Ignore line is 10.8% more dmg. or 40% is 14.4%. compared to Unique/Legendary of 9%/12% (and this isn't factoring other %Total or %Boss). for 120 PDR, it's 7.2%/9.6% respectively but pretty sure 9%/12% total would have a much lower yield in increase in dmg. classes with more inherent %Ignore in skills might put %Ignore lower like Pally but iirc, NL doesn't really have any? I forget.
well, if I wanted to be picky about words, he did say "one of" the worst.
EDIT: nvm. didn't realize Dark Harmony had passive

@intdit

% w.att: 94
%Luk: without tyrants on? im guessing a lil over 400 and near 500 with
% Tot Dam: w/e dojo glove i get + 21% + link skills
Total Att: wish i knew, i guess 1k from gear without tyrants

%Total is definetly not " one of the wost still usefull " pot line, its second only to attk and is a huge dmg boost to mob
at my point tbh, i dont even know whats better due to range and dmg cap

[quote=ProDualite]Why total damage% is fake on getting higher range? Why it hurt the dps? Do I still need some TD% line on my items? Please explain![/quote]

[quote=IntDit]Please do explain! This is turning out to be more informative than i thought it would.[/quote]

% total damage is additive with % boss, but it shows up in range and needs to be divided out to calculate final damage output. Therefore, someone with 2 M clean range who has 100% total damage and 300% boss has the exact same damage on bosses as someone with 1 M clean range, 0% total damage, and 400% boss. % total damage is a way to appear to have much higher range than your damage actually reflects, and is actually one of the worst "still useful" lines you can get on your weapon.

[quote=Axnslicer]Of course it's possible. There are people who have over 70% att on their bonus potentials for their weapon/secondaries/emblems combined. 330% luk is also less than 15% luk per equip. If you want 2 M clean range without 10+ star tyrants, all you need to do is replace/recube all your gear for 30%+ luk and start cubing bonus potentials. Alternatively, you can "fake" getting 2 M range by getting more % total damage, but that would hurt your actual dps.[/quote]

Please do explain! This is turning out to be more informative than i thought it would.

[quote=Axnslicer]Of course it's possible. There are people who have over 70% att on their bonus potentials for their weapon/secondaries/emblems combined. 330% luk is also less than 15% luk per equip. If you want 2 M clean range without 10+ star tyrants, all you need to do is replace/recube all your gear for 30%+ luk and start cubing bonus potentials. Alternatively, you can "fake" getting 2 M range by getting more % total damage, but that would hurt your actual dps.[/quote]

Why total damage% is fake on getting higher range? Why it hurt the dps? Do I still need some TD% line on my items? Please explain!

@Undexme please tell us more about yourself. <3 We love to know you more.

[quote=Undexme]2m - 2m unbuffed without tyrants at all :
http://oi61.tinypic.com/ek40ba.jpg

and in my screens there is also a screen of 2m - 2m on 4 base stats
so yeah , everythings possible on a nightlord![/quote]

wowzers, thanks for that. If at all possible could you perhaps list total stats you are receiving from items needed to attain 2m~2m? Seeing this makes me happy

% w.att:
%Luk:
% Tot Dam.
Total Att:

2m - 2m unbuffed without tyrants at all :
http://oi61.tinypic.com/ek40ba.jpg

and in my screens there is also a screen of 2m - 2m on 4 base stats
so yeah , everythings possible on a nightlord!

Of course it's possible. There are people who have over 70% att on their bonus potentials for their weapon/secondaries/emblems combined. 330% luk is also less than 15% luk per equip. If you want 2 M clean range without 10+ star tyrants, all you need to do is replace/recube all your gear for 30%+ luk and start cubing bonus potentials. Alternatively, you can "fake" getting 2 M range by getting more % total damage, but that would hurt your actual dps.

I really hope there is a way to get to 2m range without 10 star + tyrants

yeah, thats impossible w/o tyrants and OP pots