The truth about B-Step vs. B-Step BoT
[header=Introduction]Introduction[/header]
I wanted to post this [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2329130]here[/url], but sadly it got closed before I got a chance to.
Although the thread linked above had a few things right, like for example B-Step's delay, there were a few things that weren't quite true.
For example:
[quote=shanlan] At Legs [2:35], if you can only hit 1 part with BoT and 2 parts with BS, spamming BS is slightly stronger. [/quote]
The table he made in Excel doesn't say that though. His Table does says though that when B-Step hits 3 mobs and BoT can only reach 1 mob, spamming B-Step is better than B-Step + BoT.
Being the cynic guy I am I went to test it myself.
[header=Facts]Facts all Shadowers should know[/header]
B-Step's Spam Delay: 1140ms.
B-Step + BoT Delay: 1290 ms.
B-Step's %Damage: 1340% /mob
BoT's %Damage: 543.75% /mob
[header=Math]Math and Formulas[/header]
[b]Formulas:[/b]
Formula to get %DPS (%Damage per Second): %Damage/Delay * 1000
Formula to get %Damage per mob: %Total Damage/# of mobs
[b]Math to get %Damage per Mob:[/b]
[*]If B-Step hits 1 and BoT hits 1:
%Total Damage = 1340+543.75=1883.75%
%Damage per mob = 1883.75%
[*]If B-Step hits 2 and BoT hits 1:
%Total Damage = 2*1340+543.75=3223.75%
%Damage per mob = 1611.88%
[*]If B-Step hits 3 and BoT hits 1:
%Total Damage = 3*1340+543.75=4563.75%
%Damage per mob = 1521.25%
[*]If B-Step hits 4 and BoT hits 1:
%Total Damage = 4*1340+543.75=5903.75%
%Damage per mob = 1475.94%
[*]Spamming B-Step:
%Damage per mob = 1340.00%
[b]Math to get %DPS[/b]
[*]If B-Step hits 1 and BoT hits 1:
1883.75/1290*1000=[b]1460.27%[/b]
[*]If B-Step hits 2 and BoT hits 1:
1611.88/1290*1000=[b]1249.52%[/b]
[*]If B-Step hits 3 and BoT hits 1:
1521.25/1290*1000=[b]1179.26%[/b]
[*]If B-Step hits 4 and BoT hits 1:
1475.94/1290*1000=[b]1144.14%[/b]
[*]Spamming B-Step:
1340.00/1140*1000=[b]1175.44%[/b]
[header=Results]Results and Final Thoughts[/header]
The ONLY combination for which spamming B-Step is better than B-Step + BoT is when for some odd reason B-Step gets to hit all 4 targets, while BoT can only hit 1.
I don't know what in shanlan's table the numbers were wrong, maybe he forgot to add B-Step's passive damage to BoT. I don't know.
All I can say is this, Shadowers please do NOT spam B-Step. Whether it's in PvP or in PvE, putting a skill in between is *almost* always beneficial. I have never been in a situation where my B-Step hit 4 targets while my BoT only hitted 1 or less targets. Learn to use your skills properly. Anyway, I'm off.
16 Comments • Newest first
@MrTouchnGo: Mmm... I actually don't know. I'll take a look to it when I do my ring on my Shadower tomorrow.
[quote=j0s3a4d]@ksidirt: Damage is added to BoT and is multiplicative. You should read mah Guide
@shanlan: I do the average just so I can compare them all to only one number. It doesn't matter. You can also say total Damage of 3 in B-Step + 1 BoT and compare it to the Damage of spamming 3 in B-Step. It doesn't affect the results. Your new table seems more accurate, but I am too tired to check if it's 100% correct xD[/quote]
Since SP's "fix," has it still been getting the passive boost from BS that it used to? By the way, I posted a fourth job build on your compilation thread - you should take a look =P
@ksidirt: Damage is added to BoT and is multiplicative. You should read mah Guide
@shanlan: I do the average just so I can compare them all to only one number. It doesn't matter. You can also say total Damage of 3 in B-Step + 1 BoT and compare it to the Damage of spamming 3 in B-Step. It doesn't affect the results. Your new table seems more accurate, but I am too tired to check if it's 100% correct xD
[quote=timmy06]I find Bstep + BoT is better in almost every situations, they delay in Bstep is enough time to fit in BoT. Bstep might be better if you macro Bstep by it self, it comes out quicker. I don't macro any Bstep with any skills just Bstep by itself and I personally find it much faster and easier to control then macroing Bstep with other skills.[/quote]
I used to have it macroed it by itself, but I honestly didn't find it any faster than having the skill itself on my keyboard. Also, it kept casting twice even when I only pressed it once... so I took it off. xD
The only reason I brought this is up is because I noticed my CZak time was faster twice in a row when I didn't realize my macro wasn't on my key, but BStep was. I was really drunk so I didn't even notice til halfway through the second run. So then I thought maybe BStep > BoT and used it at HT. My time was faster there too, but it looks like it was due to random variables or hitting multiple parts out of BoT's reach.
I also wasn't sure if BStep passively added damage to BoT because it does not clearly state it in the description. http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Shadower-Skills.html
[quote=j0s3a4d]@aaronthecow: Exactly B-Step + BoT>>>Spamming B-Step. Glad we cleared that out.
There are just a lot of Shadowers out there, maybe not in this thread, that argue that Spamming B-Step is better. Both in PvP and in PvE. It gets old -.-[/quote]
You guys are debating the same point,both of you are right.
@aaronthecow: Exactly B-Step + BoT>>>Spamming B-Step. Glad we cleared that out.
There are just a lot of Shadowers out there, maybe not in this thread, that argue that Spamming B-Step is better. Both in PvP and in PvE. It gets old -.-
For all intensive purposes (lhc,ht zak) Bs+ bot is best regardless of what the "perfect" numbers say.Jump bsing is better on some parts of ht but even then you could argue the lag (computer or w/e your net has) or delay from jumping is a waste of damage/time regardless.
@aaronthecow: Exactly. That's my point. Since the delay is higher the combo B-Step + BoT is more efficient.
In his table it had that if B-Step hit 3 and BoT hit 1 then spamming B-Step was stronger than B-Step + BoT. I am saying otherwise.
[quote=j0s3a4d]@shanlan: I did an average. As in if am doing 1883.75% to the first mob and 1340% to the second mob then the average Damage per Mob is the average of those two.
Spamming B-Step only does more Damage if BoT hits 1 mob while B-Step hits 4 mobs.
I still don't see how you get that when attacking 1 with BoT and 3 with B-Step, spamming B-Step is better. I know you did it on Excel, but please show me your math.
My math, as you can see from the post, tells me otherwise.
EDIT: I see you used 1110. 1140 is the correct one.[/quote]
If the bs delay is even higher it wouldn't matter,that means there is more time for bot to go in that delay which makes it more efficient delay wise.
@shanlan: I did an average. As in if am doing 1883.75% to the first mob and 1340% to the second mob then the average Damage per Mob is the average of those two.
Spamming B-Step only does more Damage if BoT hits 1 mob while B-Step hits 4 mobs.
I still don't see how you get that when attacking 1 with BoT and 3 with B-Step, spamming B-Step is better. I know you did it on Excel, but please show me your math.
My math, as you can see from the post, tells me otherwise.
EDIT: I see you used 1110. 1140 is the correct one.
@aaronthecow: Ohhh. But he was wrong :O
@j0s3a4d: Shanlan
@Laguniroth: Don't remind me. 4 more months... RIP BoT
@aaronthecow: Who's Frank? :O
lol When frank says something I don't doubt it,he knows what he is talking about.
Use BS+BoT while you can, because you never know.. They just might take it away some day. Oh wait..