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[quote=SunsetChaos]Oh yeah there's the savage blow change. I wonder if SB will still have iframes...
I find chaining BS+SB had more iframes than BS+MC
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SB gives iframes currently?

[quote=SunsetChaos]@j0s3a4d which is why it's going to be great for [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi7cV8ku8CA]mobbing[/url]. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9TqIwvcHzQ]Take a look at this[/url] if you haven't already. Would make [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pRl2HngEJw]training/mobbing[/url] a lot easier imo.
Honestly, I don't mind the 'nerf'. It's only a nerf in damage (less hits?) but better utility now, so I wouldn't call it a nerf. Never really used it much in 4th job anyways.
Mostly spammed Assassinate against bosses. Same after RED I guess. Oh yeah there's the savage blow change. I wonder if SB will still have iframes...
I find chaining BS+SB had more iframes than BS+MC
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3doooD56dCQ]Here's another shad gameplay[/url] Yeah definitely better at mobbing now. I call that a win for shads since we waste less money than before.[/quote]

It is actually VERY bad for mobbing post-RED. It does 25 hits TOTAL no matter way. So if you have multiple mobs (say 8) the coins go around like 3 per mob which is a joke in damage. Right now it does 15 hits to ALL mobs in it's range so it is by FAR much much better. Believe me, unless you train in low HP Mobs (like the videos you linked), ME is going to suuck for mobbing post-RED.

@j0s3a4d which is why it's going to be great for [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi7cV8ku8CA]mobbing[/url]. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9TqIwvcHzQ]Take a look at this[/url] if you haven't already. Would make [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pRl2HngEJw]training/mobbing[/url] a lot easier imo.
Honestly, I don't mind the 'nerf'. It's only a nerf in damage (less hits?) but better utility now, so I wouldn't call it a nerf. Never really used it much in 4th job anyways.
Mostly spammed Assassinate against bosses. Same after RED I guess. Oh yeah there's the savage blow change. I wonder if SB will still have iframes...
I find chaining BS+SB had more iframes than BS+MC
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3doooD56dCQ]Here's another shad gameplay[/url] Yeah definitely better at mobbing now. I call that a win for shads since we waste less money than before.

@aaronthecow: Is there a way to xfer Guides?

@SunsetChaos: ME changed ALOT. I don't know even know how it works anymore, it seriously looks super super nerfed. Anyway how can I give skill builds if I don't even know the new Shadower gameplay. I can crunch number and stuff but without gameplay it will be half-assed.

Don't just flat out like have it disappear. Pass it on to someone else. If most stuff can stay relatively the same, it becomes a matter of maybe copy and pasting skills to new sections and changing some stuff.
Whoever you pass it on too can use the layout and other stuff that's already done in the current guide.

Why would any guide creator keep their guide going if they don't even play Maple anymore?

If you really don't want to, just pass the torch. Anyways, shadowers don't change much in RED compared to other classes. The only thing I can think of is ME in 3rd job, so maybe get that and pickpocket early for easier mobbing. Everything else is pretty much the same and they'll all end up being maxed anyways.
Besides, people mainly just look at the skill builds, what to max etc. The insights on gameplay and stuff can be provided from fellow experienced shadowers.

I can update it if necessary.

@Brawlrulez: It has never "benefited" me per say. It was just one of those things that I did that people seemed to use and enjoy so I took some pride (not really but can't find a better word) on it. Also it started a long time ago (it was initially done before the Big Bang to get people ready for it) so I guess it would be kinda sad-ish to see it die away.

@KiritoSAO: Ideally if I had all the time in the world I would keep it up to date and play the game enough just to have gameplay experience with the new skills. Sadly, this is not the case.

So it seems like the vast majority would like someone else to step up and make one (64%). So I think is settled, I won't update it and just hope someone makes one and puts as much effort into it as I did when I began.

[quote=SpiritBag]I think most people just look at the guide for a skill build which shouldn't take very long to update after RED.[/quote]

Who even looks at skill builds now.. In 4th job you end up maxing everything and previous job attacking skills are barely used (in most cases).

If you don't have much time for it, then I'll wait for a someone else's up-to-date guide

Well, what do you want to do?

Pass it on to someone else.

Ask yourself this: Do I (you) benefit from keeping this guide?

I think most people just look at the guide for a skill build which shouldn't take very long to update after RED.

If you are unable to properly update your guide it would indeed be better if someone with more ingame experience of the (revamped) class makes a new one.

People are stupid.Yours is good enough.

Yea you probably should just leave it be. Someone will step up and make an updated guide and takeover, it's really not exactly a big deal, and if anything it is a pain in the ass redoing the guide every time a freakin revamp comes and flips it all over. I know cause I have to keep updating my Paladin guide </3