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[quote=JamesInNinja]I can see why you think that but He has Charles' Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can't have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn't the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch's code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets a memory watch when she touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Lelouch touched C.C.'s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He's now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

That's the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that's not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the hearts of others. That's how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch's Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.

The man driving the cart at the end is Lelouch. You can tell by the way C.C. tilts her head back a bit and in the tone that she is using that she is talking to that person, who she calls Lelouch. They don't show you his face because they want to make you speculate about it, but he is alive I think.

As well as Orange knew of Lelouche's and Suzaku's plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.

Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche's immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.

And come on LeLouch Lamprouge, doesn't that scream a name like L.L, along with C.C and V.V[/quote]

This is what I think. Just only the bit where we saw him in the cart.

[quote=evonexus]if lelouch survived, i dont see why they'd make season 3 without lelouch.[/quote]

Because there's no point continuing the story after that point. What are they gonna talk about? The daily life of Lelouch and CC?
Season 3's a spin off.

@Cawickeng: Again, it's all too "making solution B fit problem A when there are others (better?) solutions". And my point with 3) was actually that in order for 3) to be true, 2) had to be true. It's the same pattern that conspiracy theorist use, stretching another answer so that the rest of the answers will fit...

in this case, I thought your 3) made sense, but ONLY if 2) made sense, which it was a bit of stretch to think 2) made more sense than other potential answers.

[quote=lokthar111]@Cawickeng:
1) Ah, so your first part is modified to become "Lulu needs to leave otherwise the 'focus of hatred' would be jeopardized." That actually makes more sense then how you said it before.

2) True, but I'm sure he didn't head into that punishment thinking "Oh man, this is going to be horrible a few hundred years later in isolation with C.C., I hope I start feeling the punishment now". That just sounds insincere and half-hearted in terms of punishment. It just runs too close to the thought of "forcing a theory through".

3) Now this part just gets a little too flaky. Even if no one knows her or can make her smile, she can still stay in society. Just because it doesn't work for her doesn't mean she has to leave it completely. I feel like there are too many ways to get around that problem, so it would be too implausible to use the explanation you gave to explain away why she's leaving. I believe you link the leaving of C.C. from society with the fact that Lulu might still be alive. There's just too many ways to get around this issue, it doesn't force them into leaving.

A case of making "explanation B" fit "problem A" when there are also "explanation C", "explanation D", and "explanation E" to choose from, basically.[/quote]

For 2)

What I'm saying is that Lelouch did eventually get his punishment, being that he will be isolated from the world, from Nunally, Kallen, and forced to be with a person for eternity. So storywise, he got his punishment. But Lelouch himself remains a selfish character, he has always been selfish, so he thought that if he's going to disappear from the world, he might as well enjoy it, at least for a while. You can see that he is still selfish during his last dialogue with Suzaku 'the punishment for what you've done shall be this done'. That kinda implies that he wanted Suzaku to suffer as much as he is going to.

For 3)

Initially I said that Lelouch must fulfill his promise to CC to make her smile. In episode 24, she says 'come back and make me smile'. Now since there are no scenes following this point where the two have interacted, it is implied that they will meet after the Zero Requiem, aka, after he is 'killed'. Lelouch wouldn't leave her with all this suffering alone, after he persuaded her to give up her wish. Also, there's a hint that in fact Lelouch and CC are living at Orange's farm. During the epilogue, you see Orange and Anya at the farm. The last bit of that scene shows Orange looking eastward (or right). Next scene? Lelouch and CC's cart driving westward (or left). The background during that final scene also shows hay, whatnot. It's almost like they're heading towards the farm. That would easily explain Orange's lack of hesitance in letting Suzaku 'kill' Lelouch. Also, now that Orange is a cyborg, it's possible that even he is somewhat immortal, and he possesses a Geass canceller. So 3 immortals with Geass-related abilities and one normal girl Anya living together.

I don't link CC leaving society as due to Lelouch being alive, I'm saying she is leaving because of Lelouch, but that it also isn't a sacrifice for CC given she has no place in society.

[quote=darkspawn980]if it's about mind-blowing, mirai nikki and madoka magika have some veeery insane plot twists.

both suffer from retarded protagonist syndrome though.[/quote]

I wanted to punch Yukki in the face on so many occasions. The only time he acted like a main protagonist was when he killed all those orphans under number 8. Other than that he was a complete pansy.

@Cawickeng:
1) Ah, so your first part is modified to become "Lulu needs to leave otherwise the 'focus of hatred' would be jeopardized." That actually makes more sense then how you said it before.

2) True, but I'm sure he didn't head into that punishment thinking "Oh man, this is going to be horrible a few hundred years later in isolation with C.C., I hope I start feeling the punishment now". That just sounds insincere and half-hearted in terms of punishment. It just runs too close to the thought of "forcing a theory through".

3) Now this part just gets a little too flaky. Even if no one knows her or can make her smile, she can still stay in society. Just because it doesn't work for her doesn't mean she has to leave it completely. I feel like there are too many ways to get around that problem, so it would be too implausible to use the explanation you gave to explain away why she's leaving. I believe you link the leaving of C.C. from society with the fact that Lulu might still be alive. There's just too many ways to get around this issue, it doesn't force them into leaving.

A case of making "explanation B" fit "problem A" when there are also "explanation C", "explanation D", and "explanation E" to choose from, basically.

[quote=JamesInNinja]I can see why you think that but He has Charles' Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. [/quote]

I don't believe that he received a code from Charles. I doubt Lelouch is the exception to "you can't use a geass if you're immortal" and nothing else was mentioned or implied that he could be. The code does not [b]activate[/b] when you die, but rather [b]allows the immortal person to die.[/b] The immortality gets passed on from immortal to geass-holder, and the original immortal is now human.

[quote=JamesInNinja]That's the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that's not true. [/quote]

I'd like to relate this to "director's cut" of Death Note ([b]doubt you haven't seen it but spoiler alert[/b]). It can be taken both ways when Ryuk is talking to "Light" at the end--either Light is still present and/or a death god (the word is censored on basil lol), or Ryuk could just be having a flashback. In this case, C.C. could be talking to herself just imagining that Lelouch can hear her (she looks up at the sky while doing this, which often represents speaking to a deceased person who is watching from above).
I do somewhat agree with you on this though. There might have been an unanimated part before Lelouch's death where he acquired C.C.'s code (this could be the reason to her happiness, she is now mortal).

[quote=JamesInNinja]
As well as Orange knew of Lelouche's and Suzaku's plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.
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This can be analyzed multiple ways. The fact that Jeremiah wanted to kill Lelouch for the majority of the plot makes me question his loyalty and whether or not he would have turned against Lelouch.
Even if he is sincere to Lelouch, if he was TRUELY loyal and was ordered to allow the emperor to die, he would have allowed it.
When he smiles, I think of the smile to be directed at Lelouch AND (or possibly only) Suzaku. The subs read "Go, Masked Knight" obviously referring to Zero. I wouldn't be surprised if he simply agreed because he was impressed with the plan that Lelouch becomes evil and then sacrifices himself to justice.
Either way, his thought/speech makes it obvious he knows whats happening.

[quote=JamesInNinja]
And come on LeLouch Lamprouge, doesn't that scream a name like L.L, along with C.C and V.V[/quote]

That does make an interesting point.

This is just what I think though.

if it's about mind-blowing, mirai nikki and madoka magika have some veeery insane plot twists.

both suffer from retarded protagonist syndrome though.

[quote=lokthar111]@Cawickeng: The series doesn't really have "see the world he created for Nunnally" as one of his goals. That's just assumption... after all, the only solid goals he had was "made a safe world for Nunnally to live in" and that was it. Isolating himself doesn't ensure that no one disrupts the peace...

Furthermore, it's not a complete punishment if he enjoys being around C.C. so it seems a little half-hearted to me. So, his punishment for not letting C.C. die is to live with her forever? That doesn't seem like a true punishment. But I suppose that is plausible... just a little less so than the direct explanation (that he died).

Lastly, you said Lulu needs to make CC smile and that she's not of modern times so she needs to be kept out of it? Why? There was no solid reason she couldn't just live however she wanted. Why does she "needs to be kept out of it"? I feel like that's really shaky ground you're on there when assuming she needs to be kept out of society. To be honest, her relevance to the world after the death of Lulu is pretty much nothing. She's just another person at that point, she holds no influence nor power after her partner is gone.

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@DragonBandit: He can still be around Nunnally as Zero, since no one else knows who Zero actually is. They _think_ they know, or they _think_ they know who it's not, but in the end it's inconsistent.

After all, if the people who knows Lulu is Zero sees him die, and therefore accept the new Zero because they "know" he's Suzaku, what's stopping Lulu from simply keeping the Zero role and explaining it off as Zero being someone else?[/quote]

Well it is natural to want to see the creation that you've worked so hard for. But the whole point of the Zero Requiem is that he turn the world's hatred on him. Hence, theoretically, with him gone, there would be no more hatred, thus there should be peace.

Yes, but he is human, somewhere along the next 10000 years, he may eventually get sick of her. Can he run away? Sure, but that would break his promise, and he wouldn't do that. So really he is forced to stick with her regardless of how he feels about her. That's also a punishment. Also note that it is also CC's punishment for giving his Geass in the first place, and all her other sins.

She couldn't live with society because of her past, that she knows no one in society 'loves' her, nor could make her 'smile'. Also, she has to be isolated from society as she is a constant reminder of Lelouch, enemy of the world. Everyone, including the Black Knights, only know her through Lelouch.

Code Geass is awesome <3

I'll admit it did get a little boring but I loved the ending

I love CG as well. I personally have it as my favorite anime EVER. Which surprises me because I hate mecha anime. I think Lelouch could have survived, but the creators have said hes dead. The ending episode of R2 seriously brings me to tears.

I honestly didn't like it

I gave up on it on episode 22

It was pretty boring imo

I also enjoyed Code Geass, but some of the more over the top plans and strategies were too much for me. They took from the realism of Lelouch's mental abilities and at times I was thinking that he could see into the future or read the script for the anime or something. Examples of those are like that time he confessed to Suzaku and it turned out to be a trap and he was detained. He used his Geass on that one pilot in his Knightmare so that he will see Lelouch's mother's image whenever Lelouch made this one specific gesture. The other time was at the last battle, how he PRERECORDED an entire chess game as well as the conversation that ensued with Schneizel.

Other than that, it was good, but it wasn't my favorite and so I haven't given the open ending much though afterwards. The theories brought up by the Basilers who posted before me have sound reasoning though, and I do agree, according to the data collected, that Lelouch is alive at the end of R2.

I watched it in a similar fashion to you. I've actually seen the whole series twice though... and I think differently each time.

Lelouch is alive, is my opinion. The entire show, they shed a lot of detail as to how Lelouch never does anything without it being in his plans. That being said, I believe he wouldn't have done any of what he did without seeing the result of his actions.

At the same time... even if he's dead, you could assume he's only as dead as his mother was, in the thought elevator.

He's still alive, in the extended final episode, it reveals that he's the guy pulling the cart.

all hail britannia
all hail lelouch

Elfen Lied on anime ended in a very weird ending, compared to the manga form.
OT: If you haven't read Code Geass: Shikkoku No Renya, better get on to it!

I can't wait for the ova in the summer. I'd recommend you get on Tengen toppa Gurren like nao.

@Cawickeng: The series doesn't really have "see the world he created for Nunnally" as one of his goals. That's just assumption... after all, the only solid goals he had was "made a safe world for Nunnally to live in" and that was it. Isolating himself doesn't ensure that no one disrupts the peace...

Furthermore, it's not a complete punishment if he enjoys being around C.C. so it seems a little half-hearted to me. So, his punishment for not letting C.C. die is to live with her forever? That doesn't seem like a true punishment. But I suppose that is plausible... just a little less so than the direct explanation (that he died).

Lastly, you said Lulu needs to make CC smile and that she's not of modern times so she needs to be kept out of it? Why? There was no solid reason she couldn't just live however she wanted. Why does she "needs to be kept out of it"? I feel like that's really shaky ground you're on there when assuming she needs to be kept out of society. To be honest, her relevance to the world after the death of Lulu is pretty much nothing. She's just another person at that point, she holds no influence nor power after her partner is gone.

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@DragonBandit: He can still be around Nunnally as Zero, since no one else knows who Zero actually is. They _think_ they know, or they _think_ they know who it's not, but in the end it's inconsistent.

After all, if the people who knows Lulu is Zero sees him die, and therefore accept the new Zero because they "know" he's Suzaku, what's stopping Lulu from simply keeping the Zero role and explaining it off as Zero being someone else?

i knew i shouldnt have skipped the end credits. brb

I gotta start watching Code Geass when I get the time.

Lelouch is dead
Continue magazine volume 42 2008

Lelouch's death was intended since R2 began.

@Cawickeng You sir mink f***ed me with ur long longggg explaination

[quote=lokthar111]I'd love to see a source for that information.

It just doesn't make sense that he'd abandon Nunnally like that, nor discard the Zero persona though. Nothing has explained that part...[/quote]

If he is immortal like CC is it would only make sense. He will live forever and everyone around him will die except for CC. Anyways how can he be around someone when every one thinks you are dead? Not to mention that she is going to be surrounded by people.

[quote=lokthar111]I'm not sure I can accept that explanation. Afterall, he's willing to suffer to punish himself, but he's also going to hold back on the punishment by being with CC? Sounds like a half-hearted attempt for redemption.

Suzaku would indeed be punished by becoming Zero, but why fix something that's not broken? Lulu keeping his role would do the job just as well, there are other ways to punish Suzaku. This sounds like creating a problem where there is none, just for the sake of making it fit the theory.[/quote]

No, no. Lelouch is being punished by isolating himself from the world, unable to see the world he created for Nunally, at the same time ensuring that no one disrupts the peace that he created. At the same time, he also has to fulfill C.C's one wish: to make her feel loved and smile. In episode 15, he persuaded her to give up on her one wish that she had for over 700 years, which made her give up on her one chance at dying (since only those who she gave Geass to can steal her code). If he dies now, that would be the ultimate betrayal. That is why he must live with his decisions; this is his punishment.

As said before, Lelouch can no longer be Zero because he needs to make C.C smile, and C.C is not of modern times. She needs to be kept out of it, so he sacrificed his connection to society for her and for the world.

@Davyn: ah no wonder ;l

It was a bad series. Really bad. But it was entertainingly bad.

[quote=Kyo1135]I want to read the manga but it seems confusing as there are 3 code geass series apparently ><[/quote]

It was anime original so there is no actual source material. Any manga are adaptions of the anime.

@lokthar111: This is the original screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2WTEnevdPs (skip to 9:20) thereafter some fan made a edit that shows the cart driver smiling which led people to believe he was still with C2.

[quote=Cawickeng]Anyway, while a lot of people don't understand that he lives, it is because a simple death will not suffice for a man who has killed so many. He has to suffer eternally. Same as Suzaku, who wears that mask forever, 'sacrificing the pleasures of life for the benefit of humanity'. A good ending for those who understand it.[/quote]

I'm not sure I can accept that explanation. Afterall, he's willing to suffer to punish himself, but he's also going to hold back on the punishment by being with CC? Sounds like a half-hearted attempt for redemption.

Suzaku would indeed be punished by becoming Zero, but why fix something that's not broken? Lulu keeping his role would do the job just as well, there are other ways to punish Suzaku. This sounds like creating a problem where there is none, just for the sake of making it fit the theory.

I remember watching the last episode and a few man tears rolled down my eyes with the scene with Nunally and Lelouch. Just wished they'd actually tell us if he survived or died since no way in hell does this need a sequel. The ending was perfect

[quote=lokthar111]I'd love to see a source for that information.

It just doesn't make sense that he'd abandon Nunnally like that, nor discard the Zero persona though. Nothing has explained that part...[/quote]

I'd like to find it, but all the research i did on it was around 4 years ago
I did however find [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTEefX1OAs]this[/url] not quite solid but still

[quote=lokthar111]I'd love to see a source for that information.

It just doesn't make sense that he'd abandon Nunnally like that, nor discard the Zero persona though. Nothing has explained that part...[/quote]
That's not real, I seen it before. It's a fan edition edit.

[quote=JamesInNinja]I can see why you think that but He has Charles' Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can't have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn't the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch's code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets a memory watch when she touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Lelouch touched C.C.'s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He's now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

That's the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that's not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the hearts of others. That's how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch's Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.

The man driving the cart at the end is Lelouch. You can tell by the way C.C. tilts her head back a bit and in the tone that she is using that she is talking to that person, who she calls Lelouch. They don't show you his face because they want to make you speculate about it, but he is alive I think.

As well as Orange knew of Lelouche's and Suzaku's plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.

Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche's immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.

And come on LeLouch Lamprouge, doesn't that scream a name like L.L, along with C.C and V.V[/quote]

I think I've seen this exact post somewhere but I agree, and my post is also on youtube as well.

Basically, if you actually pay attention to all the details of this anime, you can find evidence everywhere that 'Lelouch' is alive. However, the creators said he is dead. This is true because when Lelouch was 'killed' by Suzaku his code activated, and his name changed to R2 (engrish). Hence Lelouch is dead, and R2 is born. Why did his name change? Well apparently all Code bearers change their names to match their initials, C2, V2 etc. If you look on wikipedia, you will actually realise that the first season is not called R1, just the name, Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. So why would the second season be called R2? Because the creators are leaving behind a hidden message that Lelouch of the Rebellion, also known as R2, is the one to attain Code Geass. The creators also say that this can be both a happy ending or a tragedy. Average viewers will immediately interpret this as Lelouch dying to create a world for Nunally and that his short time with CC is gone. But in actual fact, there is another hidden meaning behind this statement. It can be interpreted as a happy ending because CC can finally be with someone who does not 'hate her for giving him the power of Geass'. It can also be a tragedy because he is stuck with her for eternity, unable to interact with society, see Nunally and the world he created for her. His only memento is the paper airplane.

Another hint lies in Episode 1 of the very first season when C.C explains that Geass grants a different 'destiny' for its owners. Lelouch stated in Episode 5 that he 'was a powerless corpse slowly approaching his death'. By obtaining Geass, his destiny has been 'drastically affected' (as said by CC in episode 24 of R2). In other words, his fate changed from slow death to never dying.

C.C said in episode 24 that she cared about winning or losing and that she was 'finally going to start living life instead of accumulating experience'. This shows that she is finally ready to be with the man who can make her smile, and her human side is returning to her. There's also a reason why CC asked Lelouch if he hated her 'for giving him the power of Geass'. She couldn't stand spending eternity with another person who did not truly love her for what she is, and basically what Lelouch said, made her smile. She knew she made the right decision.
In episode 25, when she cried for Lelouch in the church, she said 'the price you're going to pay for using Geass on them is...". It is open ended because the creators know the viewers will instantly assume it to be death. But this goes against CC's beliefs that death is the ultimate price; she in fact wishes to die. What she believes to be hell is living eternally. Basically, she's passed the curse onto the one she loves. She says 'Geass is the power of the king that will condemn you to a life of solitude. That isn't quite correct, right Lelouch?' That just means that whilst it does bring solitude, at least now they can spend it together.

Anyway, while a lot of people don't understand that he lives, it is because a simple death will not suffice for a man who has killed so many. He has to suffer eternally. Same as Suzaku, who wears that mask forever, 'sacrificing the pleasures of life for the benefit of humanity'. This is a story about a Japanese and a Brittanian, who fight on opposite sides of the war, commit equal crimes despite their different approaches, and thus have to suffer the same fate. What people don't realise is that there is an underlining reason why Suzaku was given the 'live' command. It was not because of plot armor or w/e. It was to ensure that he cannot be assassinated, suicide, that he must serve his whole life to society. A good ending for those who understand it.

[quote=Raachh]Lelouch is alive!
If you watch the RAW version you'll see that at the end when C.C says "Isn't that right, Lelouch?" the camera zooms in on the driver of the cart who actually is Lelouch
Reason why it's probably not shown in the version you watched is, they had a poll, and most viewers decided that they preferred a definite ending so it was changed (i cant remember the exact details because i finished it soooo long ago, but i'll try find the source where i got this from though hopefully)[/quote]
I'd love to see a source for that information.

It just doesn't make sense that he'd abandon Nunnally like that, nor discard the Zero persona though. Nothing has explained that part...

Lelouch is alive!
If you watch the RAW version you'll see that at the end when C.C says "Isn't that right, Lelouch?" the camera zooms in on the driver of the cart who actually is Lelouch
Reason why it's probably not shown in the version you watched is, they had a poll, and most viewers decided that they preferred a definite ending so it was changed (i cant remember the exact details because i finished it soooo long ago, but i'll try find the source where i got this from though hopefully)

[quote=JamesInNinja]I don't like One Piece or Avatar, seen Death Note however. Not a big fan of the other 2 of the big 3 either.[/quote]
Ah no worries. But at least check out the other ones I mentioned though!

I don't like One Piece or Avatar, seen Death Note however. Not a big fan of the other 2 of the big 3 either.

Oh dang, you haven't seen Tengen toppa gurren lagann yet? ... Do I have to suggest the obvious series now?

Death Note? Avatar? One Piece?

Durarara! (meh.)
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai. (warning, ... horror.)
Jigoku Shoujo
Baccano! (If you love comedy and action... this is for you.)
Akagi. Kaiji. (If you love psych thriller and gambling, this is for you.)
Ghost in the Shell. All of ittttttttttt.

finish those first

I want to read the manga but it seems confusing as there are 3 code geass series apparently ><

[quote=christien]I loved Code Geass too! It was full of epic story and d'awww moments.
I'd like to think Lelouch is alive. I interpreted the ending as that he faked his death for everyone except for C.C., and then the couple lives happily ever after...forever![/quote]

But why abandon his sister if he's still alive? Surely, he can live with C.C. while being there for his sister too? He's not that selfish, and he truly loves his sister, no?

It certainly isn't my all time favourite, but it's in my top 5, I think either DtB or Gundam Wing is my favourite, the latter due to nostalgia

I loved Code Geass too! It was full of epic story and d'awww moments.
I'd like to think Lelouch is alive. I interpreted the ending as that he faked his death for everyone except for C.C., and then the couple lives happily ever after...forever!

Code Geass is the greatest anime I have ever seen to date. Lelouch survived in the end, as showed in the end credits when C.C spoke his name, and the bottom of his face was exposed.

@JamesInNinja: Well, I like to think that Lulu sacrificed himself in a meaningful way. And that people just accepted his noble decision in the end.

I admit, I see there's a lot of room for theories about whether he was able to survive, but if Lulu survived, [b]why not just keep his role as Zero?[/b]

How is it a "punishment" for Suzaku if Lulu is still alive? Why "punish" him with the role of Zero at that point, and not beforehand? The timing just doesn't bode well for the Lulu-is-alive theories.

It all boils down to Lulu being gone and having Suzaku fill a void left behind by him being the most plausible explanation for people's reactions.

[quote=lokthar111]Hahaha, I had the same reaction of being blown away at the end.

But face reality. He's gone. And that's what makes the series a noteworthy series, the hero actually was a hero, not some chump in some flashy suit just talking and talking and never putting money where his mouth is.[/quote]

I can see why you think that but He has Charles' Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can't have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn't the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch's code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets a memory watch when she touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Lelouch touched C.C.'s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He's now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

That's the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that's not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the hearts of others. That's how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch's Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.

The man driving the cart at the end is Lelouch. You can tell by the way C.C. tilts her head back a bit and in the tone that she is using that she is talking to that person, who she calls Lelouch. They don't show you his face because they want to make you speculate about it, but he is alive I think.

As well as Orange knew of Lelouche's and Suzaku's plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zerozaku jumped on his shoulder.

Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouche ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and thats if he knew about Lelouche's immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouche would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.

And come on LeLouch Lamprouge, doesn't that scream a name like L.L, along with C.C and V.V

Tons of anime out there that catches my eye, but I never get around to it.
It took me forever to watch Code Geass because of how busy I can get at any moment with work, like 1 or 2 months that's because I had it all download on a hard drive to watch it anywhere. But overall I still loved it.

Hahaha, I had the same reaction of being blown away at the end.

But face reality. He's gone. And that's what makes the series a noteworthy series, the hero actually was a hero, not some chump in some flashy suit just talking and talking and never putting money where his mouth is.

Fate/Zero is also on my list and Evangelion, as well as tengen toppa gurren lagann, any other suggestions for me?

It's an open-ending. It was meant to think if he died or lived. Interviews with the creators show that it can be interpreted 50/50% dead or alive.
I believe he lived because he killed his father which had immortality from V.V. and LeLouch should have gotten it from his father afterwards and him being shown killed was just a ruse to be with his sister and c2 at the end.

I personally liked Darker than Black as an anime. One of the top favorites followed by Mushi-Shi.