Why people are getting banned for Selling Nx
[i]If you dont like reading, then this is [b]NOT[/b] the thread for you. There will not be a TL;DR[/i]
First off, I want to say I'm merely translating nexon's TOS in a way everyone can understand. I have no legal background merely what I've read and studied throughout the years. This said I will get started.
[header2]Your "Right" to owning an account and items / information within. [/header2]
What you own includes and is limited to the following;
-"[i](graphics, artwork, music, choreography, characters, character IDs, Forum IDs, account IDs, Cash Items and/or other items acquired or created in the Service, [b] including through the Cash Shop[/b])[/i]"
What you don't own and is not limited to the following;
-"[i]trademarks and trade dress in connection with any product or service that is not ours, in any manner that is likely to cause confusion among customers or subscribers, or in any manner that disparages us. Except as expressly provided herein,[/i]"
What does this mean? You own the right to what you have bought from the company. Does this mean you can sell it? Yes and No. This is wear the grey line is. Nexon states that you own the item and account therein. So why are they banning people for selling what they obviously own?
Because of section 2.3.2 Cash Shop / Cash Item's.
They state;
-"[i] You agree that you cannot and have no right to sell or otherwise transfer any of the Cash Items, Nexon currency or any other content or information included in the Service, in whole or in part, to any third person or entity whatsoever, including, without limitation, on Internet auction sites (e.g., eBay, IGE), hack sites, privates server sites, gold farming sites or in return for anything of value (including "real" money) or otherwise. [/i]"
What does this mean? This mean's they reserve the right to ban, suspend, or delete your account for violating this term. Now can you fight getting banned for selling nx? Yes! You could claim that Meso's have no "VALUE" to yourself therefore you are not violating the TOS Section 2.3.2 Cash Shop / Cash Item's. But Nexon has reserved the right to close your account without notice, explanation non-the less and they aren't very logical when it comes to you making money or gain off them.
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Honestly, this should be the last thing nexon should be banning people for. If you're someone who doesn't have to resources to buy nx in real life, then buying it in game is your only option. Then there's the people who sell the nx. Some of us don't have the time to put in maplestory to merch for all those mesos. Selling nx is merely a less time consuming way of making mesos. As far as I'm concerned, it only hurts the unlucky sellers/buyers who get scammed. Nexon is still making their money either way...
well they even had a maple tip warning against buying/selling nx so......
@Evenings Just an example of how they could ban people for doing it now and they arent is all.
@SasoriBankai Nx Sellers did make nexon alot of money, I know people who bought tons of nexon cash to sell it for mesos purely.
And they wonder why there was a DECREASE in NX sells in North America this year lol.
Nx sellers made them some dough
@squire7766: i don't remember anyone actually being banned from that back in the day
[quote=HappyBunnie]It says "of value... Or otherwise" so just because you say that mesos have no value to yourself, it's still against the ToS. At least, that's how they would interpret it.[/quote]
They dont define what value is in the TOS therefore can be open to interpretation. They just say "...Or otherwise"
[quote=Evenings]@jmiah917: it is a bit confusing tho... if i remember correctly people use to sell nx a lot in the past even tho it was against the rules but nexon did not do much to in force it so it was okay... now all of sudden they want to ban for that? doesn't make sense [/quote]
All of a sudden? They've been banning for this since the gift option was added years ago. Not many people were banned, but those who were dumb enough to get caught definitely got banned. They even removed the gifting option for a while to discourage this.
It's most certainly not 'all of a sudden'.
@jmiah917: I have seen this video before. Would be kind of shocking if anything in that script was true. Though to be fair, we all had our suspicions when it came to the whole 'pay and be saved from banning' theory.
[quote=squire7766]@animelover:
You have to understand that most GMs also write from a 'script'.
Very rarely will they put personal thought into a ticket response. It's their job to make sure their company saves face; much like any profession demands its employees to side with their company.[/quote]
This, Even an Ex-Gm has gone on record saying that there are mass amounts of ticket's and that the response is usually generic and scripted due to the lack of employee's. I believe the interview was by [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIqM6Mkg5yM]MochisGuide[/url] from youtube. It's clearly stated that the GM was not 100% sure to be a GM aswell.
@Evenings Well It's also against the rules and clearly stated to curse in-game and is ban-able by TOS but that doesnt stop people from doing it and nexon doesnt ban people. That doesnt mean they wont start you know?
It says "of value... Or otherwise" so just because you say that mesos have no value to yourself, it's still against the ToS. At least, that's how they would interpret it.
@jmiah917: it is a bit confusing tho... if i remember correctly people use to sell nx a lot in the past even tho it was against the rules but nexon did not do much to in force it so it was okay... now all of sudden they want to ban for that? doesn't make sense
@animelover:
You have to understand that most GMs also write from a 'script'.
Very rarely will they put personal thought into a ticket response. It's their job to make sure their company saves face; much like any profession demands its employees to side with their company.
[quote=animelover]Well if you complain this situation to nexon or the game master I'm sure they will said it's illegal and it's against TOS.[/quote]
Possibly, But then you could legally take them to court (if you were that serious about it.)
@HatedPikachu Right back atchya!
@squire7766 I really hope so, I hope everyone took the time to read the TOS when they signed up.
@rkolegend55 That was my intent, I wanted to give everyone something quicker and simpler than nexon's TOS and something they can understand.
@animelover It's not "Illegal" It's just against the TOS, the most that you can get is maybe a citation or a ticket from the police.
@Evenings I'm not quite sure. But nexon is very picky about their money and would most likley be angry that your friend didnt just buy nx themself. They were the ones who decided to put in a GIFT button though. Also I agree.
@jrb75 Yes, that's why i think there's argument to be made.
@LazyLotad And this is also correct!
Except the way they worded it means you cannot trade it for things without value either... "Including anything of value [. . .] or otherwise." The "(including "real" money)" only applies to talking about things of value.
So... what if u gift a friend and the friend freely wants to pay u for that item? and then if u get banned for falsely accused of selling nx? Why can't nexon just mts back instead of making the ms economy life misereable
when i was 13
I think everyone knew this already
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