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actually in 3rd job, fury has higher dpm than crusher..

[quote=St3lkinator]So basically..what i got from all this is that in 3rd job, fury is defffinitely better for training, since mobs are big. but once 4th job comes, which takes u to LHC, u use buster/crusher since the mobs are not larger than 3 ususally. And crusher/buster does more dmg overall than fury would right?. like if fury was attacking mob of 3 and buster mob of 3, (in 4th job), crusher/buster would be better dmg overall right?. and bossing 1v1 is Sacrifice or buster/crusher..O__o sound good?[/quote]

Sooo... here's your paragraph, cut down to size.
1v1 (Bossing, Training) - Sacrifice, Crusher
1v3 (usual mob size during 4th job) - Crusher
1v6 (usual mob size during 3rd job) - Fury

And answering that question:
Crusher 4th job damage (1v3): (4 x 145%) x 1.6 x 3 = 2784%
Fury 4th job damage (1v3) : 360% x 3 x 1.6 = 1728%
Fury 4th job damage (1v6) : 3456%
As seen here, Crusher 1v3 damage definitely outstrips that of Fury 1v3. Even if Fury is a bit faster than Crusher. Note: Values here are based on the damage so far.

Sounds good anyway. Can't wait to train.

[quote=St3lkinator]So basically..what i got from all this is that in 3rd job, fury is defffinitely better for training, since mobs are big. but once 4th job comes, which takes u to LHC, u use buster/crusher since the mobs are not larger than 3 ususally. And crusher/buster does more dmg overall than fury would right?. like if fury was attacking mob of 3 and buster mob of 3, (in 4th job), crusher/buster would be better dmg overall right?. and bossing 1v1 is Sacrifice or buster/crusher..O__o sound good?[/quote]

that is exactly right

[quote=Runningninja]BullFeces
i have level 1 buster and level 1 Buster
Buster does 9k with no crit, which is rare[maxed Dragon Wisdom(95% chance of Crit)] and with crit it goes up to 17k dmg
and Fury does around 8k with out crit and with crit only around 12k(35% chance of Crit)
Its a common mistake people make, it looks good on paper, but Buster>Fury, for the most part, the only thing Fury has is that it has more range and hits more than Buster
Also, max everything and keep elemental at 11.[/quote]

fail math. it's 35% each hit of buster. so it is less likely all will crit.
its 6am here so my math is failing be but the chances they all crit is probably less than 10%.

[quote=jts743]At LHC, I spend less than 30-40 pots per hour when I train using crusher all the time. One thing to realize, is that the 5% recovery rate from wisdom is per hit, so when you hit 3 monsters with crusher, you have 12 chances to recover hp. Just about every time I attack at golems, it refills my hp to max or close to it.

Also, you can't be considered a true DrK without max crusher. Just sayin'.[/quote]

true, let it be also noted though, when using fury in third job max mobs, you hit 6 times, and the amount of HP healed will be greater, so half the chance for over twice the healing (comparing third job fury with 4th job crusher.)

Rush/MM + Fury or buster (Depending on hp and size of mob) = <3
:3

Sacrifice burns pots like crazy and I said that in average drk fundings where they don't want to burn pots. Actually 4th job + crusher is our training skill seeing as in the most mobs I've ever encountered was 3 in ToT.

Without maxed crusher at lionheart you will fail. Crusher is the skill that makes up the DrK , its your boss/training skill.

[quote=momotaro]ummm yeah, go with fury. without zerk, buster is nothing but trash.
god it takes time to get used to saying buster instead of crusher[/quote]

be a man, it's [b]CRUSHER![/b] yea, say it like that, with the bold and everything

[quote=Runningninja]BullFeces
i have level 1 buster and level 1 Buster
Buster does 9k with no crit, which is rare[maxed Dragon Wisdom(95% chance of Crit)] and with crit it goes up to 17k dmg
and Fury does around 8k with out crit and with crit only around 12k(35% chance of Crit)
Its a common mistake people make, it looks good on paper, but Buster>Fury, for the most part, the only thing Fury has is that it has more range and hits more than Buster
Also, max everything and keep elemental at 11.[/quote]

...Buster doesn't have a 95% chance of crit ==;
It doesn't matter how many times an attack hits, the total crit chance does not change.
By your logic, 4th job buster has 125% crit... lol
With max Dragon Wisdom, crits are going to be between 1.35 to 1.5x, at a 35% proc rate.
In 3rd job, you're probably better off using Fury instead of Buster on bosses if only due to the delay. (810 ms Fury vs 1040ms Buster)
The only thing I agree with your post is keeping Elemental Resistance at 11.

[quote=Runningninja]BullFeces
i have level 1 buster and level 1 Buster
Buster does 9k with no crit, which is rare[maxed Dragon Wisdom(95% chance of Crit)] and with crit it goes up to 17k dmg
and Fury does around 8k with out crit and with crit only around 12k(35% chance of Crit)
Its a common mistake people make, it looks good on paper, but Buster>Fury, for the most part, the only thing Fury has is that it has more range and hits more than Buster
Also, max everything and keep elemental at 11.[/quote]

you are the one doing math on paper man, i'd suggest you go out there, and challenge someone to clear a full map using fury, while you use buster, i can guarantee you, fury will clear the map much faster.

[quote=jonbadspelling]Basil says at max level Dragon Fury does 1 hit and 360% damage. Dragon Buster at max level hits 3 times for a total of 335% damage. Does that mean you should only use Dragon Fury? And put all points in elemental resitance and the least amount in Dragon Buster?

Someone please tell me why i should put points in Dragon Buster.[/quote]

The last time I checked Buster was 145%*3 = 435%.
Max it, you'll regret it if you won't.
You'll be using Buster a lot more in 4th job when you get an extra attack from berserk.
At 4th job, it'll look like this:
Single target: Sacrifice
2-3: Buster
4-6: Fury
You'll probably want to use Buster on bosses which have a pot cooldown.

Dragon Fury>Buster in 3rd job.
Dragon Buster>Fury in 4th job if you have berserk on.
:o but Fury will still be better if theres more than 3 monster.

Also, max everything and keep elemental at 11.

This is all pre-impale though, not sure whats going to happen after we get it.