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[quote=DeniseWong]How much do you hit currently with your cane and range?[/quote]

Around 40k-60k per line (carte noire makes it a bit confusing 0.0)

Wait, why am I hitting 140ks with a 28k range then..

Phantoms=Not worth it with out Great funding

@numan21:
Omg -_-
to answer your questions probably the phantom but then again if your high leveled shadower it wouldn't really matter. Also your situation is flawed
considering a phantom is already there and phantoms have a ton of skills that are useful. If you also add in the phantom killing the mobs in 2-4 sec
than they would easily choose another phantom considering he kills slightly slower but offers (AB,HB,CO) and you offer +1-3 sec of killing speed -_-.
If your going to make a scenario details are needed....Also i feel you are underestimating phantoms considering we can still do damage funded.
But i'll offer you a scenario, two [b]unfunded[/b] chars come in the map, one is a shadower and the other is a phantom. The party has a bishop but
the rest of the classes are normal classes(kaiser,lumi,kanna,sair) who would you choose? This scenario may not always be the case but it is pretty
much 80-90% of the time.

Tldr: I'm not going to say this or that but its just the truth, phantoms give way more to a party than shadowers. Especially selfish ones who like instigating
on the phantom forums........

@wingless666: Ok heres the scenario, a party already has a phantom and me and another phantom come into the channel, they only have 1 spot left. Who would they pick? someone who takes 2 hits to kill a monster, or someone thats a support class that they already have?

@DeadlyStab:
I agree so let's just squash it haha
Both are fun classes to play

@DeadlyStab:
I did say we need an ungodly amount of funding to get there and like I said utility comes with a price. Which for us is lower damage output then most of the classes, but we offer utility that everyone wants and it's not like we do no damage so I really don't know why you guys are comparing apples and oranges.... When you guys can give useful buffs like us, then you can come back and talk about the deplorable phantom situation >.<

Don't forget magic guard and adv combo/magic crash and resseruction, I love my job

and I hit 999k with mille on normal monsters buffed

@numan21:
But here's the thing, we can get high damage but it takes an absurd amount of funding and no matter how strong you are, you really can't beat
30 att,150% exp,20% crit rate,30% damage(normal loadout for phantom) with high damage. Also, thit is a misconception that leeching has brought, but
you get more exp soloing monsters than you get from leech. So in reality you are stealing exp from them and they are just getting a small amount from
the sum of your kills. Which is why people pick phantoms> shadowers . Lol it seems like i am attacking you but what I say is the reality of the phantom
life style. Also when a phantom can hit max with mille, I'm pretty sure they outdamage shadowers(though they're aren't to many who can do that on normal mobs)
Just saying, your sounding mad selfish man =p

level 200 with 80k range and I hit solid 150ks per crit, 39% luk but lots of attack

phantom is really the best job, hands down.

@wingless666: would u rather worry about ur teammates Exp+dmg or yourself?
because at the end of the day, your helping them get a high range, while your a support class.

[quote=squalkbox]I have 104% luk at level 122 and i only have like 28k range..[/quote]

because you're low level and don't have good enough base LUK

[quote=numan21]this is why phantoms suck lol, i hit max with a shad at only 35k range o.o[/quote]

lol like that guys said shad uses assasinate which has a huge % multiplier when compared with mille but it is ultra slow
like AB and shads can't give s.e, ab, hs, co, rage,shell. Utility comes with a price you know

this is why phantoms suck lol, i hit max with a shad at only 35k range o.o

you need at least a 70k-80k + range to hit 100k non crits
though criticals are alot lower like 40k-60k for critical 100ks
Also hyper skills help, so level some more. But you will need
alot more % luk or 100+ more attack.

Lv 135, 140 atk cane, 127% luk, 50k range, hitting just over 100k with mille combined with SE.

[quote=squalkbox]I have 104% luk at level 122 and i only have like 28k range..[/quote]

That's because you're level 122.... Try getting a higher Watk, and seriously though think about it. % doesn't mean as much with lower base.

How much do you hit currently with your cane and range?

i would say u need about 50k range to hit 100ks consistently with crits

I have 104% luk at level 122 and i only have like 28k range..

so, around 100% luk?

hm... AROUND hw much %luk would I need to have 60k range? o.o

i'd say around 60k? with combo + SE to hit 100ks each mille line? estimate