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My WA's range with self buffs and no dojo gloves on is: 1222990~1438812. My WA's time post patch was 9:35.

edit: WA new time - 9:19
No equipment change, all I did was use the 20% PDR hyper instead of the 20% boss hyper. I do not know how much PDR dojo bosses have, but it made a difference or I just got lucky with whim procs. Once again, my WA has 350k less range than my merc but my WA has a 30% boss advantage. I have recently upgraded my equipment so the range difference will be smaller from here on out.

sidenote: I wish nexon would allow equips to be completely tradeable throughout your own account at least.

@KanyeCannabis: Hm.. okay maybe it is that first bit that really got me. I literally died as soon as I would get back so LOL.

@ryuushinou: I'm pretty sure you can dodge ALL of the jaws attacks by just switching sides when his eyes glow and standing in the middle. I mean, granted you actually get to the middle of his jaw safely in the first place which is slightly more annoying than it sounds. But after that it should be smooth sailing. My non-equipped, poor status resistance WA lasted like 7mins on hell mode jaw without dying or getting hurt or getting seduced. I only left because I was bored(and wasn't going to be able to solo the rest anyway.) I have left the abdomen alive on every run I've ever on my Merc did and never had a problem with seduce, so I really think it's safe to say you won't get seduced if his eyes aren't looking at you.

@KanyeCannabis: Really...? until the abdomen was taken down I was having problems with his seduce... and he stopped doing it as soon as she killed the abdomen or I could just be lucky (regards his HP or difficulty in general, I believe you're correct).

[quote=ryuushinou]I tried it too last night, with my range I thought it was rather impossible. I have to add that without 100% status resist I don't see it being possible as a Mercedes. After my friend(she was outside) killed the abdomen the jaw was ALOT easier. All I had to do was literally stand in the middle and adjust myself when he looks like he's going to do something.

But I died way too much in the first few secodns I didn't have any lives to work out how to fight the eye. If only I knew this. I shall try your suggestion when I can be bothered![/quote]

I think he ignores status resist unfortunately. Even if your friend was outside, Gollux's difficulty is determined by how many parts you killed when you first entered the head. So you were probably on a higher difficulty and performed successfully anyway. The jaw shouldn't be a problem on higher difficulties anyway besides hp. On any difficulty you can dodge all of the jaw's attacks by standing in the middle and readjusting like you have seen. The real problem is the beginning of the second part of the fight. You want to get to the far edge of the floating platform ASAP. It is much easier for a class like Xenon with diagonal chase or a Cygnus Knight with the upwards jump since they don't have to enter from the middle portal which causes Gollux to cast a bunch of annoying crap. They can directly land on the edge. I think at the edge of the platform he only performs the demon cry attack which misses and the giant hand ohko which I believe has like a 2 second tell.

[quote=KanyeCannabis]I tried hell mode Gollux on my WA(who has no equips on currently, so I only tested the jaw portion of the boss) and emerald flower completely distracts Gollux's jaw. It makes the point I made about moveable ishtar being better moot. It's actually a pretty fight relaxing fight for an endgame boss. As for the eyes, the strategy should be the same for both, and probably any, classes. Stand as far away from the eyes as you can on the floating platform which allows you to dodge the demon cry looking OHKO. The jewel, the last portion of the boss, needs to be killed in ~90 seconds and has around 20b hp apparently. [/quote]

I tried it too last night, with my range I thought it was rather impossible. I have to add that without 100% status resist I don't see it being possible as a Mercedes. After my friend(she was outside) killed the abdomen the jaw was ALOT easier. All I had to do was literally stand in the middle and adjust myself when he looks like he's going to do something.

But I died way too much in the first few secodns I didn't have any lives to work out how to fight the eye. If only I knew this. I shall try your suggestion when I can be bothered!

Cool delays gone

I tried hell mode Gollux on my WA(who has no equips on currently, so I only tested the jaw portion of the boss) and emerald flower completely distracts Gollux's jaw. It makes the point I made about moveable ishtar being better moot. It's actually a pretty fight relaxing fight for an endgame boss. As for the eyes, the strategy should be the same for both, and probably any, classes. Stand as far away from the eyes as you can on the floating platform which allows you to dodge the demon cry looking OHKO. The jewel, the last portion of the boss, needs to be killed in ~90 seconds and has around 20b hp apparently.

As for the dojo comment, I think that saves maybe 10 seconds for me.

[quote=xenjitsu]@KanyeCannabis; Just curious, how much % attack do you have on your mercedes?

I'm quite sure marksman are stronger than both WA's and Mercs at Dojo.[/quote]

I have 58% attack. I do 9-12m lines with ishtar on dojo bosses without elvish blessing/heroic memories or debuffing them. The highest lines I've ever seen ishtar do per line was like 19m on a debuffed Ranmaru with terms and conditions.

[quote=xenjitsu]@KanyeCannabis; Just curious, how much % attack do you have on your mercedes?

I'm quite sure marksman are stronger than both WA's and Mercs at Dojo.[/quote]

oh, MM are probaly stonger than every class from my observations

@KanyeCannabis; Just curious, how much % attack do you have on your mercedes?

I'm quite sure marksman are stronger than both WA's and Mercs at Dojo.

@ryuushinou: No clue, but to date Magnus is the only mobile boss I have seen appear to ignore it.

Edit: OT: This stuff in this thread is good info. bout time we got some more data. Still waiting on those xbow players.

It seems a Mercedes will fair far better on Gollux compared to a WA. I finished killing Gollux(disabled one shoulder along the way, don't know how to get to the head without doing that) and the strategy is simple. He only attacks in the direction he is facing, so simply stand on his face and move to other side by a few pixels when he looks at you. Rinse and repeat. Moveable RoI maintains DPS and doesn't get you killed. I don't think this is the hardest version since it dropped level 140/130 equips only.

@bluebomber24: Trusty Rujin to always correct me on BM matters... okay what made me think puppet stopped working like it used to...

[quote=ryuushinou]@KanyeCannabis: I find the uses of Emerald Flower quite interesting. Puppet certainly doesn't act in the same manner anymore and the way you mention it reminds me of the old BM's bossing style(it used to but changed when the advanced one came in? someone needs to confirm on this). Are you able to record this and upload on youtube(particularly empress)? as I would like to mention its uses on my utility thread.[/quote]

Every single RA monster is affected by Puppet, I have used on all of them multiple times. Actually, when I was taken some data, Von Bon was pretty amusing, if I cared enough and was patient, I could have soloed him due to puppet.

@KanyeCannabis: No that's fine and I respect your opinion. In fact, it avoids me having to sound exorbitantly biased towards Merc.

You preferred WA over Merc, just as simple as that!

On the other hand I definitely need more feedback from WH and MMs.

[quote=Jrizzey]Best I got was 9:20 and my merc pre-buff was 18mins @_@[/quote]

This reminds me that I should mention my Merc's pre-buff time was 12 mins. My WA equips aren't finished yet. You're lucky Nexon is delaying miracle time and shield scrolls for as long as possible

[quote=ryuushinou]@KanyeCannabis: I find the uses of Emerald Flower quite interesting. Puppet certainly doesn't act in the same manner anymore and the way you mention it reminds me of the old BM's bossing style(it used to but changed when the advanced one came in? someone needs to confirm on this). Are you able to record this and upload on youtube? as I would like to mention its uses on my utility thread.[/quote]

It might take a while since my equips are on my Merc. 30k NX to transfer

I also forgot to mention Twilight Perion. My Merc can OHKO the golems with SR. So I just use SR linked into FJ. It is fast, but OHKO Spiral Vortex + WW wasn't much slower at all.

I fear I am sounding biased towards WA, but in my experiences WA handles most things easier than a Merc. Plus in order for my Mercedes to get stronger, I have to squeeze stuff out of places that shouldn't be squeezed while my WA has the potential to get even stronger easily. So, I will probably be maining WA until whenever 5th jobs come out.

@KanyeCannabis: I find the uses of Emerald Flower quite interesting. Puppet certainly doesn't act in the same manner anymore and the way you mention it reminds me of the old BM's bossing style(it used to but changed when the advanced one came in? someone needs to confirm on this). Are you able to record this and upload on youtube(particularly empress)? as I would like to mention its uses on my utility thread.

[quote=ryuushinou]I'm suprised the difference isn't much more. But then again this is Dojo, where you have to wait for the summons .

@KanyeCannabis: I'm guessing you have some att% on your WA? Having that much att% on top of only 200% boss isn't the best balance.

WA has a theoretical DPS advantage of roughly 1.6, your Merc's equip advantage is at most 1.4 (with that kind of range 55 att is probably less than 10% of your total att). though honestly it's not like we're comparing a time trial of Magnus or something so I don't think you can say much other than WA has innate damage superiority over mercedes which is pretty clear on paper as well.[/quote]

Those are the boss %s without including the dojo gloves 40% increase and without including the boss hypers. I've already done the calculations when I tried cubing before and there is nothing inefficient about what I have other than having a 4% att neb over a 25% damage neb which I think is like 2-4% worse. But my equips aren't [i]perfect[/i]. Obviously, I can recube for even better stuff. And I thought WAs have a DPS advantage of like 1.43 without factoring in PDR and physical resistance. The times support this as well.

But we can compare some bosses.

Easy mode magnus took like 30 seconds to kill on both characters. A few seconds different at most(WA was faster). I also tried normal Magnus. My WA kills him in 1-3mins but my Merc had a much harder time(took 5-6mins) because his green attacks are still fast for normal mode. Wind Walk is much better in that scenario. Trying to balance unicorn on him is also more annoying than it seems.

On empress my WA has a much easier/faster time. Empress and her minions only focus on the emerald flower which also causes the tornadoes to miss. Spiral Vortex decimates the minions. Mercs have an advantage with the 5% hp healing, but it is not needed for a WA since empress only attacks the flower anyway. It's like a ghetto bind.

On Chaos Pierre(the only chaos RA boss I bothered to fight), emerald flower distracts him so all I have to do is just stand and shoot. Mobile Ishtar is good for dodging the falling masks but you still can only move foward(aka straight into Pierre) unlike a WH. I prefer flower and WW here.

Ranmaru is just sit and shoot boss. Straight DPS wins this fight, but my WA doesn't have Hero's Will and he likes to seduce a lot. My WA also has lower status resist than my Merc. I'd give it to the Merc for this one although they both kill him in 1-2mins(time varies depending on how much I get seduced).

von leon/zakum/horntail/normal PB etc are joke bosses.

I do not have enough experience with Gollux, but I did notice that you probably don't want to be close to his face. Everytime I went stood close to him he killed me with some random moves. I was safer when I stood back on my WA, but this meant trifling whim couldn't proc since I was too far away. I do not know an optimal way of fighting him yet since I don't know his patterns/moves.

I have never attempted to solo the rest of the bosses.

I'm suprised the difference isn't much more. But then again this is Dojo, where you have to wait for the summons .

@KanyeCannabis: I'm guessing you have some att% on your WA? Having that much att% on top of only 200% boss isn't the best balance.

WA has a theoretical DPS advantage of roughly 1.6, your Merc's equip advantage is at most 1.4 (with that kind of range 55 att is probably less than 10% of your total att). though honestly it's not like we're comparing a time trial of Magnus or something so I don't think you can say much other than WA has innate damage superiority over mercedes which is pretty clear on paper as well.

[quote=airforce1]Dojo gloves don't work within dojo.... why are you counting them?[/quote]

I'm not. That's just my range with them on for my WA and I don't have any other SS of his range to compare with(my fault). My WA has about 350-400k total range less than my Merc when both have dojo gloves equipped and when both are self buffed not including hypers which would increase the gap more since Mercs have Elvish Blessing.

@bluebomber24
The difference between the weapons is 30% more boss on my WA but much less attack on him as well. To be specific, my Merc has 26% more %ATT and 55 more attack total on the weapon+secondary.

[quote=kanyecannabis]Merc using decent sharp eyes, which WA can't take advantage of[/quote]

Yeah that's why I hate my bucc, can't use decent SI.

The weapon differences are very important factors though.....I would have to see the gap between the two.

Dojo gloves don't work within dojo.... why are you counting them?

BM >>>>>> ALL

Wow thats cool