Drain vs Vampire
Just made my UA Sin cause I know they are losing drain so I figured Vamp would be a must. But as of right now, is Drain more efficient or is Vamp? Sorry kind of a newbie at sins.
April 14, 2012
Drain vs Vampire
Just made my UA Sin cause I know they are losing drain so I figured Vamp would be a must. But as of right now, is Drain more efficient or is Vamp? Sorry kind of a newbie at sins.
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[quote=SlovakHocky]I should probably post on topic too, since most of you don't realize that both skills are capped at healing 50% of your max HP. Without an aweful lot of funding, you could hit for pleanty of damage to recover half of your max HP with either skill.[/quote]
Partially correct; Drain actually sits at 45% absorption rate, so technically not 50%. Also, that 45% absorption rate won't be reflected when you have equipment with HP bonuses, as it only applies to your base HP. So if you had a base of 4.6k HP but have 6.9k w/ equipment bonuses, you will only heal ~2k w/ Drain. This is the only hiccup I have with Drain, but nonetheless I still like the skill.
i wish the update made getting lunar dews and the succeeding quests easier as well.. those characters made 6 years ago will have a hard time doing this.
ill start doing this for my NL prolly after i finished my wind archer quests.
back to topic, i still prefer drain over vampire as it hits long range while you need to go inside a group of mobs to use vampire
Vampire can be cast and hits enemies at just the right times to ensure a constant knockback. It's great for pushing enemies, grouping them up, and low-level mobbing in general.
Vampire also steals health from all the targets, not just one at a time. If you're going 1-on-1 with a boss or something, obviously Drain would be better, but otherwise Vampire is more than enough to cover the amount of HP you'd loose during training or whatnot (unless you're one of those people who jump around into enemies while throwing stars in the wrong direction).
You are correct, but you have to collect all 20 lunar dews and earn empress's might in order to activate the quests for Eckhart's Darkness Orbs.
Yes, you swap channels with your partner every 3 min or so, and if they found any dews for you, they'll be on the ground waiting for you, and vice versa. If you found any for them, they'll appear for them. Since everyone sees different dews, you won't be stealing dews from one another, but instead helping eachother out by hunting for eachother.
[quote=NowItsOn]@Raidy16: Lol yes, did mean lunar dews. Clearly I haven't invested much time in it but thanks for the tip.[/quote]
If you want another tip, get a buddy to do the quests with. Your Lunar Dews don't appear for them, and theirs don't appear for you. Drops disappear after being on the ground for 3minutes. So every 2min 40 seconds or so, switch channels with your partner. If he/she found any of your dews, you'll be able to see them on the ground and loot them. It basically allows you to double your chances of finding anything, since it's two people hunting instead of one.
I do not know if this works for orbs as well when working with characters of the same class (two thieves for exmaple) as my partner and I were different classes all three times we did this quest chain.
I should probably post on topic too, since most of you don't realize that both skills are capped at healing 50% of your max HP. Without an aweful lot of funding, you could hit for pleanty of damage to recover half of your max HP with either skill.
@Raidy16: Lol yes, did mean lunar dews. Clearly I haven't invested much time in it but thanks for the tip.
[quote=NowItsOn]RIP Drain. I will miss you dearly. Cant stomach the thought of having to hunt peridots for vampire..[/quote]
I wish it was Peridots you had to hunt to get Vampire. But I assume you meant Lunar Dews. And in all honesty, it's not that bad. Just spend a good week hunting for them with a Big Spider Familiar, or Shiny Egg Buffs. You'll get 20 Lunar Dews in no time!
RIP Drain. I will miss you dearly. Cant stomach the thought of having to hunt peridots for vampire..
[quote=overpaying]idk about vampire but drain is a lie, I'll heal around 40% health max if i hit cap damage with a drain.[/quote]
It's the draining cap. Each drain skill limits your healing in one way or another.
vampire is better then drain in every way, especially with the fact it can mob, doesn't use stars, heals more, and stays after the revamp.
~had the first beran UA sin/now a ua NL
Oh my gosh what have I started? Oh well, thanks for the info. So I guess mobs I use vamp, whereas 1-2 mobs is Drain? Not that big of deal which heals more really. I can just use some white pots ahaha! =P
[quote=bubblecup118]Obvious you dont know what you even talking about. Vampire mobs up to 6 monsters 4 times to recover 5% = 120% vs drain 45%. Vampire is even stronger at 360% total. Also you cannot recover more than half the monster hp.
Do you have vampire?[/quote]
Yep, it's only level 1 though, so I don't personally know the level 5 stats. If you looked at the front page, I was just going off what the other guy said, that my data was correct and yours was for the NW one. If I'm wrong, my bad on the info. Now, let's take a 2nd look.
Say you have a 10k range. With vampire you'd do 4 hits of 9k (10000x0.9), healing 450 (9000x.05) each hit, so 1800 (450x4) total.
Assuming you're mobbing a full 6 monsters, that's 10800 (1800x6) hp.
Drain does 240% damage to heal 45% hp. With a 10k range, that's 24k (10000x2.4) damage, healing 10800 (24000x0.45).
They are both equal if you are mobbing 6- however, for anything less than a mob of 6, drain heals more.
These calculations are going off Mr.Dante's eckhart vampire info.
Also, no need to be so snotty about it.
[quote=evilslasher]@bubblecup118: 4 hits on 3 monsters to recover 2%, that's just 24% versus drain's 45%, not even counting that drain is 240% damage and vampire is 90%. It's just an illusion [/quote]
Obvious you dont know what you even talking about. Vampire mobs up to 6 monsters 4 times to recover 5% = 120% vs drain 45%. Vampire is even stronger at 360% total. Also you cannot recover more than half the monster hp.
Do you have vampire?
It's situational. Vampire can potentially heal more than Drain if you use it on a mob. Drain has no vertical range. Vampire also has a huge vertical and horizontal range.
I heal faster with Vampire than Drain, most notably at Empress. I rarely use Drain over Vampire.
@evilslasher: vampire hits 4 times, so it technically does 360% on 3 mobs, as opposed to the 240% damage on 1 mob that you get from drain. Like I said earlier, drain should be better for recovers, whereas vampire is better for damage.
@bubblecup118: 4 hits on 3 monsters to recover 2%, that's just 24% versus drain's 45%, not even counting that drain is 240% damage and vampire is 90%. It's just an illusion
[quote=evilslasher]Ah okay then, thanks [/quote]
Well I have vampire and I have to say when your in a mob and use vampire, it heals much more hp than drain alone
You should use Vampire to get used to it. No point learning something and loving it as it leaves in less than 3 months prob
Oh ok thanks for the help. =p
[quote=TripleBladez]Your info is right. @bubblecup118 is using post-Union NW's level 20 Vampire, which is wrong when the TS is talking about UA NL's.[/quote]
Ah okay then, thanks
[quote=evilslasher]@bubblecup118: Thanks, I just got my info off hidden, so idk if it's up to date[/quote]
Your info is right. @bubblecup118 is using post-Union NW's level 20 Vampire, which is wrong when the TS is talking about UA NL's.
@bubblecup118: Thanks, I just got my info off hidden, so idk if it's up to date
[quote=bubblecup118]Corrected for you[/quote]
He meant Eckhart's Vampire. The one you get via the Darkness quest on your normal NL, or UA NL. Not the NW one.
Eckhart's Vampire is much weaker compared to Drain.
[quote=evilslasher]Drain: Level 20: MP Cost: 24, Damage: 240%, Absorbs 45% of the damage
Vampire: Level 5: MP Cost: 12, Damage: 90%, Number of Hits: 4, Max Monsters Hit: 6, absorbs 5% of the damage as HP
Drain is undoubtedly better but since it's leaving... we'll have to settle for vampire.[/quote]
Corrected for you
For HP gain, drain is better. But Vampire does offer a little bit of mobbing during 2nd job.
Drain: Level 20: MP Cost: 24, Damage: 240%, Absorbs 45% of the damage
Vampire: Level 5: MP Cost: 12, Damage: 90%, Number of Hits: 4, Max Monsters Hit: 3, absorbs 2% of the damage as HP
Drain is undoubtedly better but since it's leaving... we'll have to settle for vampire.