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@bluebomber24: kekekeke
[quote=leannesama]I don't really think the bossing guides need much updates at all, if anything most of the updated bosses just mostly gotten easier that it can't 1 hit ko you if you are at the correct lvl for the boss now, strategy is pretty much the same[/quote]

Also a possibility I'd considered. Perhaps if takio adds some boss strategies, the guide would be moot?

Up to Yellow.

I don't really think the bossing guides need much updates at all, if anything most of the updated bosses just mostly gotten easier that it can't 1 hit ko you if you are at the correct lvl for the boss now, strategy is pretty much the same

Aww thanks guys ^^
I would be honor to take it
Tho, if its ok i would like to add a bossing section to the training as while.
The reason being that i also do boss training when i get bored of map grinding. @@

If it wasn't about Bowman...then I would have been tempted to do the Bossing one.

[quote=takiorruki] I wanted the skill builder, oh wells!
...One thing i learn on my journey as a bowmaster is that some places that seen odd to other is the best places for us<3[/quote]

That phrase right there makes me think you would be a good owner. Thats a good mentality to have.

Edit: Just realized Kevvl said the same thing >.>. Darn u Kevvl, darn u.

Still, yellow? Hrm. I'll see what I can do.
[quote=takiorruki] I wanted the skill builder, oh wells!
I wouldn\'t mind taking the training reference, but I\'m kind of bais to the normal training places and would most likely leave them out. xD
I like the odd training places becuase most lower lvl archers have a harder time at these places due to ksing, lower dmg, ect... One thing i learn on my journey as a bowmaster is that some places that seen odd to other is the best places for us<3[/quote]

That's actually a good trait to have, because the Training Guide isn't just about having all the best spots. It's about having the best spots (gotta make sure to have that) but ALSO having the decent ones. The out of the way areas, alternatives for when the best places are all full up.

If you want it, it's yours!

[quote=SinnedRange]Lol not characters I have three jobs irl xD. I only play my Bowmaster! -true dedication to the class-[/quote]
Holy hell! Nevermind then O_O;;

[quote=Kevvl]@RawrImLion, @NineCrimes, You expressed a mild interest in the Training Guide. Any final thoughts on that?

I totally missed this question.

It's a hell of a lot easier since I'm a moderator, but basically I have to go to Mr. Basil and tell him to change who's the thread starter for the guide. If you need it done, feel free to PM me.

How long you expect that would take? O_o

Sooner the better. Go quit those characters! xD[/quote]

Lol not characters I have three jobs irl xD. I only play my Bowmaster! -true dedication to the class-

@Kevvl: Sorry, I've been busy. I don't think I'd have time at this point to take over the Training guide. GL finding a new person. It [i]is[/i] a lot of work though.

I wanted the skill builder, oh wells!
I wouldn\'t mind taking the training reference, but I\'m kind of bais to the normal training places and would most likely leave them out. xD
I like the odd training places becuase most lower lvl archers have a harder time at these places due to ksing, lower dmg, ect... One thing i learn on my journey as a bowmaster is that some places that seen odd to other is the best places for us<3

Hohohogo figure.

The EDIT button for guides is glitched at the moment. Well for mine at least it is. I've sent a ticket to Mr.B, but I dunno when this glitch appeared.

Was just making sure.

Give it a look see and you'll know what needs changing. It's pretty much just skills that need updating.

Still waiting for word from @adolo, otherwise you got it. Also need info from @RawrImLion and @NineCrimes on the Training guide. If not them, need someone who wants it.

i will try to adapt to your " certain voice of writing"

@RawrImLion, @NineCrimes, You expressed a mild interest in the Training Guide. Any final thoughts on that?
[quote=LEGENDairy]@Kevvl: How do you actually pass ownership of a guide to someone? Just wondering, since I might follow in your footsteps soon...[/quote]
I totally missed this question.

It's a hell of a lot easier since I'm a moderator, but basically I have to go to Mr. Basil and tell him to change who's the thread starter for the guide. If you need it done, feel free to PM me.

[quote=SinnedRange]I'd do the training guide but frankly I have three jobs one of which is full time and I just couldn't handle more on my plate . Maybe if I ever quit two of them I would. (Assuming there's still an opening)[/quote]
How long you expect that would take? O_o

Sooner the better. Go quit those characters! xD

I'd do the training guide but frankly I have three jobs one of which is full time and I just couldn't handle more on my plate . Maybe if I ever quit two of them I would. (Assuming there's still an opening)

[quote=mattman2623]im still interested in being responsible for a guide.i can take the wind archer build then. doesnt it most consist of training, skills, and quests information? the training spots should be the same as reg archers, and since i have a wind archer i can update the skills. and the wind archer quests are the same with all the other ck quests except you get hurricane and bow expert.[/quote]

Skill Guide and Wind Archer guide are good to go, I got two highly experienced forumers to take them over. Training Guide is still up for grabs but I'm being [b]VERY[/b] picky on who controls that one because it is easily the most important, most difficult, and most skill-oriented guide we have here in the Bowman Forum (possibly on Basilmarket). So far no one has stepped up to that particular plate.

If adolo says no to the Wind Archer guide, then that'll be all yours. Read previous posts for info on it. The only thing I'm worried about (that applies to both you and adolo) is whether your typing style can adapt to writing guide entries. There's a certain voice required for that type of writing.

I can contribute to some of the skill build, as I have pretty much brought my Marksman up once big bang started

im still interested in being responsible for a guide.i can take the wind archer build then. doesnt it most consist of training, skills, and quests information? the training spots should be the same as reg archers, and since i have a wind archer i can update the skills. and the wind archer quests are the same with all the other ck quests except you get hurricane and bow expert.

@gmharri: Darn good idea. I'll get right on that.
[quote=ormirian]Thank you Kewl for such a dedicated effort to help the archer community.

What are you playing on that violin btw?[/quote]
An Irish jig, no doubt!

[quote=FrothyFrog]great then i can post an updated damage range, i think im nearing 4k now [/quote]

Your hammered your war bow? =O

OT:
Also it might be an idea to add an extra 2 levels to each skill on the site (from Combat Orders skill)

I can give you the WH skills now if you want to mention them to Mr. Basil, also if he will add them, shoot me a PM and I'll get all of them done.

WH skills

Wild Arrow Blast
Level 31: MP -10, Damage 202% per arrow
Level 32: MP -10, Damage 204% per arrow

Stink Bomb Shot
Level 21: MP -45, Increases Enemy Defense, EXP Earned +42% EXP
Level 22: MP -45, Increases Enemy Defense, EXP Earned +44% EXP

Sonic Roar
Level 31: MP -70, Damage 706%, Stun Chance 100%, Stun Duration 11 seconds
Level 32: MP -70, Damage 712%, Stun Chance 100%, Stun Duration 11 seconds

Sharp Eyes
Level 31: MP -48, Critical Rate +21%, Max Critical Damage +31%, Duration 310 seconds
Level 32: MP -48, Critical Rate +21%, Max Critical Damage +32%, Duration 320 seconds

Maple Warrior
Level 31: MP -70; all stats +16% for 930 seconds
Level 32: MP -70; all stats +16% for 1000 seconds

Hero's Will
Level 6: MP -30, 300 second cooldown
Level 7: MP -30, 240 second cooldown

Feline Berserk
Level 31: MP -60, Max HP +82%, ATK +20%, Speed +31, Duration 123 seconds
Level 32: MP -60, Max HP +84%, ATK +21%, Speed +32, Duration 126 seconds

Exploding Arrows
Level 31: MP -350, Damage 102%, Explosion Damage 865%, Cooldown 28 seconds
Level 32: MP -350, Damage 104%, Explosion Damage 880%, Cooldown 26 seconds

Crossbow Expert
Level 31: Mastery: +71%, ATK +31, Critical Damage +16%
Level 32: Mastery: +71%, ATK +32, Critical Damage +16%

._.

Wind Archer guide is just skills, so all you need to do are change the skill descriptions and the skill builds. The Training Guide is designed to be used for all areas of the Bowman job. It's probably the most important guide in the Bowman forum!

If you want the Wind Archer guide, then I'll have ownership transferred to you later.

@Trinityblast: He seems like he doesn't know what he's doing. . .

[quote=Skyblue1220]@Kevvl: Miss you already! Your guides paved a pathway for an exciting Maple experience! Thank you![/quote]
Thanks, but I'm not leaving. I'm just becoming more lazy.

I'd do the Training Ref but unfortunately, I can't access basil when I'm at school anymore without a proxy or using Google's DNS servers...

L>WH guide x[.

I think I could own the skill build guide but it's taken :o. If anything, I would like to help make the skill build guide.

Training guide is another thing I can help out on.

hmmm not sure if i am up for the challenge but then again sure y not
if i can that is

@Kevvl: How do you actually pass ownership of a guide to someone? Just wondering, since I might follow in your footsteps soon...

Unfortunately I'm not able to do it, not because I don't have enough knowlegde, but because my english isn't that good. I know alot<< yes I know alot.
My background: Start playing maple some time ago right after beta was over. Created a crossbowman-->failed at skill build so I made a hunter. Now that it's 6 years later, I've collected all the pieces of information one would need to know to create and update such a guide.

@Kevvl:

Perhaps you should suggest using so-called yellow polls to see if people want to change the current layouts or stick with the current ones.

Custom avatars never worked anyway, submitted several if I remember right, I had them turned down for quality, too similar colours, too variant colours, items not in GMS (when they were ._.)

Mr. Basil needs to start thinking what the people coming to the site want, because the way its going it going to end up the maple version of a certain forum.

[quote=gmharri]For all the damage range guides, could Mr. Basil not add a screenshot uploader to them, then he/the mods/the guide owner could just tick them as acceptable, or reject them, with a PM coming back to you saying what you've missed.

I mean no offence to Mr. Basil, but recently he hasn't been coming up with the greatest of ides, the chat room thing didn't even last a week did it?

._.[/quote]
Chat room good idea, but since it wasn't actually his idea it was extremely limited (no bots). In terms of bad ideas, [i]most[/i] of Mr. Basil's worstideas are aesthetics changes (i.e: Yellow poll). The only two genuinely bad ones that I can think of are the comment thing and the lack of custom avatars (which was a privilege to begin with).

[quote=Kevvl]You have NO IDEA how hard I've fought to get the comments back to the way they were 2 years ago before the guide switch. Ever since Mr. Basil made the change, I suggested he put it back.

The current setup is the best I've been able to get. >_>

*bothers*[/quote]

For all the damage range guides, could Mr. Basil not add a screenshot uploader to them, then he/the mods/the guide owner could just tick them as acceptable, or reject them, with a PM coming back to you saying what you've missed.

I mean no offence to Mr. Basil, but recently he hasn't been coming up with the greatest of ides, the chat room thing didn't even last a week did it?

._.

[quote=gmharri]=O
Could that be considered flame-baiting... *walks off slowly*
>;3

Also someone needs to move the ''damage range guides'' back to the forum, the bowman one hasn't been updated in a month due to it being in the guide section only now, and has only had 6(?) comments (2 of them my own, attempting to revive it [*eyeroll*]), due to no-one knowing of its existence.

=O[/quote]
You have NO IDEA how hard I've fought to get the comments back to the way they were 2 years ago before the guide switch. Ever since Mr. Basil made the change, I suggested he put it back.

The current setup is the best I've been able to get. >_>

[quote=adolo]i would do the wind archer guide.
if i could be bothered.[/quote]
*bothers*

[quote=Kevvl]It's been way too long since I updated the guides, and at this rate it doesn't look like I'll be able to at all. At first it was procrastination, but at this point I'm literally too busy to update them both. Besides, I barely play MS anymore! I'm not really cut out for it. So, like Sapphire08 before me, I'm giving up the guides.

So, I'm offering ownership of my three guides to some folks from the forums here. Anyone willing to take up the task? Up for grabs are:

[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Guide-Archer-Skill-Build-151.html]The Archer Skill Build Guide[/url] - Owner found.

[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Guide-Archer-Training-Reference-224.html]The Archer Training Reference[/url] - Needs a diligent Bowman who is humble and directive enough to let the community take charge. This guide is based on community effort, so someone who can spark the community to make changes is needed.

[url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Guide-Wind-Archer-250.html][b]The Wind Archer Guide[/b][/url] - Needs someone. [b]This guide's not as special[/b] but I'm giving it away anyway [/quote]

=O
Could that be considered flame-baiting... *walks off slowly*
>;3

Also someone needs to move the ''damage range guides'' back to the forum, the bowman one hasn't been updated in a month due to it being in the guide section only now, and has only had 6(?) comments (2 of them my own, attempting to revive it [*eyeroll*]), due to no-one knowing of its existence.

=O

Dang wouldnt the bowman guide have to be completely done again?

It's Last updated: Oct 2009

xD Thus pre-bb and even before that

[quote=Alexsword9]In my opinion i think we should have either someone with both a high level MM and BM OR 2 induviduals with each a high level of the 2 different classes.
Btw, the reason i stated i want high levels is that they simply have try'd it on his/hers own body, so they would know.[/quote]
Currently, the Skill Guide is fine in that respect. Chibi's going to have help from myself (My wife is a Bowmaster, I use her often enough to have expertise) and Bluebomber (Bowmaster, made the guide originally)

Only issue is training guide.

[quote=spiritrival]We need another Archer Guides Forum lol[/quote]
Tru dat.

i guess i can help chilbi with the post bb bowmaster stuff

I'm not ready. Plus I'm not all that into maple, and I'm too lazy to bother doing them.

[quote=homeworksucks]me or leannesama can probably do the skill build guide, however she pretty much does all builds mathematically and tries to get the greatest damage output asap in either mobbing or 1.vs.1, I'm pretty sure chibi would do great in making a archer guide, but if he wants some help with all the mathematical calculations or just wants to take some work off me or leanne can help him.[/quote]

everything here was pretty much mathematically done already, of course I would do some stuff such as not put SA until and end and etc but this build is pretty much a mathematical build already
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/1803740/0/Temporary_Skill_Build_Guide_Check_here_BEFORE_you_reset_your_SP.html#

I got some ideas for training spots, but I don't see any problem with the temp guide at all as far as mathematical wise, what I did find so far is that arrow blow with max enhanced basics > 10 sp in iron arrow on mobs of 3 and less

I think the Skill Guide's pretty much set with people, probably going to give full ownership to Chibi.

Training Guide, still unsure on. Wind Archer guide also, even if it's not important. If I'm left with just that no worries, I'll just keep it as my own little project.

im not an expert at xbows, but thats what community contribution come in handy. and i can partner up with a marksman to split the guide

kevvl and bluebomber, I have no idea how you guys are still here. I stopped playing 3 years ago and thought there would be no well known faces who I still respected around. Kudos to you!

[quote=ChibiCross]i thought about it, and i'm willing to update the archer skill build if a knowledgeable bowmaster can do the 4th job skill builds for bm's. change of heart mainly came from the ridiculous marksmen builds in which other forums are advocating ._.[/quote]
Blue and I can help with that.

Being the initial writer of the skill build guide and a contributer to the Archer Training Guide, I am more than willing to help in anyway anyone that takes up the mantle. Whether its editing or thoughts, if you want my help, I will give it. I just am not 100% sure I have the time to fully take ownership of a guide right now but I do have ideas and I can look over stuff and give opinions.

give it to somebody who's really active on the bowman forums.

I wouldn't mind attempting to update those guides, unfortunately I'm not to sure what low level xbowmans train on post big bang. I'm also not to sure what skill distribution would be best for the lower levels either. The 4th job skill distribution should be self explanatory though, lemme one or two skills can be switched around depending on training styles.

I SHALL STEP UP!.... rofl jk i couldnt handle the pressure and i have no time myself haha

i am an active bowman of the basil community. i am responsible and will listen to fellow bowmans respondses,information and feedback. i have also stuck with bowmen ever since maple came out. i have been a fan of your guides and have been using them to guide my own bowman.