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@kirayamato26: I'll add you on my main

[quote=lmm616]Because in R&JPQ You can grind with hs and kanna spawn.[/quote]

That doesn't tell me anything about "why", you just told me "how".

[quote=TheGr3atSnakes]Who the hell cares just do which ever PQ you want, it doesn't have to be about EXP jesus.[/quote]

Well, my objective is for me and my party members to level the quickest.

Because in R&JPQ You can grind with hs and kanna spawn.

[quote=happyboyd]Let me help you, R+J pq for people 70-120 is BETTER than EPQ, because the Grind is simply much better exp, ESP with 2X. Personally I would be solo with a HS mule that is too low level to receive exp. R+J with HS is better than EPQ. Also, Solo Grind is the Best. If your in a party, you have to account the exp splitting. 80% of the Mob's EXP is split into who did how much damage to the mob, then 20% of the Mob's EXP is distributed back into you party, to people who are eligible to receive the EXP. IRCC +/- 5 From Mob levels and your level.[/quote]

Can you give me some numbers for the amount of exp gained so I can do an objective comparison? Also, solo grind would mean that you get the most exp while others in the party are suffering, no?

[quote=CelticGaelic]@kirayamato26: Haha yeah
Now all I have to do is find broan's that'll EPQ with my Xenon whenever I get it to level 70 QQ

@Business Not according to the number that were said earlier in the thread.[/quote]

There aren't many.

Feel free to buddy my DK if you want, though, as I'll be Ellin PQ'ing. IGN is KiraDKnight.

Let me help you, R+J pq for people 70-120 is BETTER than EPQ, because the Grind is simply much better exp, ESP with 2X. Personally I would be solo with a HS mule that is too low level to receive exp. R+J with HS is better than EPQ. Also, Solo Grind is the Best. If your in a party, you have to account the exp splitting. 80% of the Mob's EXP is split into who did how much damage to the mob, then 20% of the Mob's EXP is distributed back into you party, to people who are eligible to receive the EXP. IRCC +/- 5 From Mob levels and your level.

@kirayamato26: Haha yeah
Now all I have to do is find broan's that'll EPQ with my Xenon whenever I get it to level 70 QQ

@Business Not according to the number that were said earlier in the thread.

Most people dont like ellin PQ
and if you can kill fast R&J is better..

@Ecyz Romeo juliet neckless

[quote=kirayamato26]That would depend on how much exp you can actually get from the mobs. Though, aren't there better places to grind than R&J?[/quote]

Per unleashed there was better places. Now there isn't many places. R and J pq is focused more towards 75-120 so grinding there on 2x is decent exp.

Ellin forest used to be only for explorers, and was thus less popular and i'm guessing it's popularity just stayed below rjpq

Im able to level up in RJPQ about 1-4 times in a run at the beginning levels
I switch to EPQ later on

[quote=CelticGaelic]@MangoCoffee @kirayamato26
This is very interesting, i also really like EPQ the music is nice and it's very easy.
Though during a 2x exp event wouldn't R&Jpq be slightly better (2x event only)[/quote]

That would depend on how much exp you can actually get from the mobs. Though, aren't there better places to grind than R&J?

@MangoCoffee @kirayamato26
This is very interesting, i also really like EPQ the music is nice and it's very easy.
Though during a 2x exp event wouldn't R&Jpq be slightly better (2x event only)

@Kirayamato26

THANK YOU for finally saying this... Ellin Forest PQ is so much better than that trash R+J PQ. And also, even if they both gave the same amount of experience, Ellin PQ would probably be better since it's much less frustrating... I've always wondered why there are so many people doing R+J but like 1 person who wants to do Ellin Forest PQ. Oh well, haters gonna hate.

@Spanish in Ellin Forest PQ you're saving an entire forest from being poisoned... But since you apparently fail in the storyline, the Kerning City area turns into a swamp and Perion into a wasteland. I would rather save an entire, beautiful forest than to help some already screwed over couple.

This math is nothing compared to differential equations and convolution in the time domain.

This is simply division, which should be a grade 3 or 4 concept.

@iVege : Your numbers are likely to represent something close to the best case scenario for R&J. I want to see how that compares to the range of scenarios for Ellin. There is a mathematical technique called statistical analysis.

[quote=kirayamato26]There are variables, but from my anecdotal experience, worst case for Ellin is still better than best case R&J. Ellin's tasks are also much easier than R&J's tasks in my opinion.

Also, instead of just subjectively saying that I'm weak and you get more exp than me, how about you give me some numbers and we can do some math to see what's better objectively?[/quote]

My EXP gain =/= EXP gain for others.

I've made this point already and you're not getting it. Your EXP gain from mine is already different, evident from the amount of time doing the PQ and our damage. What makes you think my numbers mean anything?

Ugh all this math
Just go to whatever party quest you like >.< </3

[quote=dragon2923]Want to know why people do Romeo and juliet pq? Because they are idiots who dropped highschool and can't do math.

I tried both of your scenarios and the ELLIN PQ rush with people that knows what they do, I get more exp than grinding for about 12min in Romeo PQ + the reward.
I made 1 level in 22mins with ELLIN PQ.
I made 79% in 19-20mins in RNJ PQ. I kill mobs in 2hits each.

But yea, the people who disagree with you are probably too stubborn to try it by themselves.[/quote]

I thought that it may be a contributing factor, but I wanted to find out to what extent since everyone is so focused on R&J and no one would even join my party when I go recruiting for Ellin.

The background story is that my roommates (we are all 2nd year engineering students) and I were trying to get one of our roommates (let's call him roommate 1) from level 110 to 120 so that we could go to the level 120 PQ's. Roommate 1 was a level 110 Mercedes, roommate 2 was a level 133 Demon Slayer, and I'm a level 156 Paladin. We tried out all the PQ's and found that Ellin yielded the best exp per unit time. We were consistently clearing the PQ in 5 ~ 5.5 mins and roommate 1 was leveling once every 20 ~ 22 mins.

I couldn't enter R&J with them for some reason, so they had to go with 2 other people who knew what they were doing. Roommate 1 gained about 40% every run (17 ~ 19 mins) here.

And yes, we are quite weak considering that we are just walking around in clean Maple equipment.

From my own experiences on my new Dragon Knight (level 89 atm), I level every 12 mins from Ellin PQ, whereas an entire R&J run in 19 mins gets me like 70%.

[quote=iVege]It stops mattering once you OHKO (and speed of attack plays here as well). I don't OHKO and I get more than the below.

The strength of your party members, and the number of party members participating matters, too. Ideally, you are the only one inside and you can manage the entire map effortlessly. I'm not saying that only during these conditions will you obtain good exp, but the grind exp does suck if all your party members are Hayatos and I'm a lone Explorer.

While we're discussing variables, you mention that you finish Ellin PQ in 7.5 minutes max. That's more dependent on the efficiency of the party across the entire PQ compared to ~12 minutes of grinding dependent on your own power (which, on a somewhat related note, also explains another reason why people do MPQ: because they're lazy. Pressing one button and directional keys is better than doing the tasks in Ellin PQ).

My unfunded (I made a new account and went with it) Explorer gets more EXP than that.[/quote]

There are variables, but from my anecdotal experience, worst case for Ellin is still better than best case R&J. Ellin's tasks are also much easier than R&J's tasks in my opinion.

Also, instead of just subjectively saying that I'm weak and you get more exp than me, how about you give me some numbers and we can do some math to see what's better objectively?

[quote=kirayamato26]There's a limit to how much exp you'll get from grinding on the mobs. I highly doubt that doing 10x more damage than I do can bring it to be higher than what you can otherwise get as the reward exp from Ellin. ._.

What I want to know is how much exp R&J actually yields with the grinding included, quantitatively. Can you give me a number?[/quote]

It stops mattering once you OHKO (and speed of attack plays here as well). I don't OHKO and I get more than the below.

The strength of your party members, and the number of party members participating matters, too. Ideally, you are the only one inside and you can manage the entire map effortlessly. I'm not saying that only during these conditions will you obtain good exp, but the grind exp does suck if all your party members are Hayatos and I'm a lone Explorer.

While we're discussing variables, you mention that you finish Ellin PQ in 7.5 minutes max. That's more dependent on the efficiency of the party across the entire PQ compared to ~12 minutes of grinding dependent on your own power (which, on a somewhat related note, also explains another reason why people do MPQ: because they're lazy. Pressing one button and directional keys is better than doing the tasks in Ellin PQ).

[quote=kirayamato26]You get the completion reward exp when you kill Frankeroid. The same completion reward exp (i.e. 40% for you, I guess) plus a little more from mob kills (5 ~ 10% empirically) can be obtained in Ellin PQ in anywhere between 5 mins to 7.5 mins depending on the party. So, if you do the math, in R&J you can get 100% in 17 ~ 19 mins, in Ellin you can get 45% in 5 ~ 7.5 mins. We see that R&J gets around 5.26 ~ 5.88 %/min, while Ellin gets you 6 ~ 9 %/min

So, from ballparking with the data you gave me, R&J best scenario looks to be worse than Ellin's worst case scenario...[/quote]

My unfunded (I made a new account and went with it) Explorer gets more EXP than that.

Want to know why people do Romeo and juliet pq? Because they are idiots who dropped highschool and can't do math.

I tried both of your scenarios and the ELLIN PQ rush with people that knows what they do, I get more exp than grinding for about 12min in Romeo PQ + the reward.
I made 1 level in 22mins with ELLIN PQ.
I made 79% in 19-20mins in RNJ PQ. I kill mobs in 2hits each.

But yea, the people who disagree with you are probably too stubborn to try it by themselves.

[quote=kirayamato26]Well, excuse me for getting hacked in the August 2011 incident and losing everything and not having played at all since.

At any rate, what you are saying is that for someone who gets the full reward exp from the PQ's (1.3 mil), the total exp you gain from 19 mins of R&J is greater than or equal to 4.1 mil exp, which is what you can get in Ellin PQ if you finish it in 6 mins and just do that for 19 mins. I find it hard to believe that you can whack mobs and actually get that much exp.[/quote]

I got hacked the Christmas of 2011, and I'm back up to ~40-45b o_o
Not sure why you decided to mention that...

[quote=Gallade96]Havent gotten one, but I heard the medal is great?[/quote]
Errr...what medal o.o i don't think any PQs give medals

[quote=kirayamato26]You get the completion reward exp when you kill Frankeroid. The same completion reward exp (i.e. 40% for you, I guess) plus a little more from mob kills (5 ~ 10% empirically) can be obtained in Ellin PQ in anywhere between 5 mins to 7.5 mins depending on the party. So, if you do the math, in R&J you can get 100% in 17 ~ 19 mins, in Ellin you can get 45% in 5 ~ 7.5 mins. We see that R&J gets around 5.26 ~ 5.88 %/min, while Ellin gets you 6 ~ 9 %/min

So, from ballparking with the data you gave me, R&J best scenario looks to be worse than Ellin's worst case scenario...[/quote]

okay, let's agree to disagree, you with your hipster characters can go train at Ellin PQ.

[quote=kennyowns]there's no certain numbers because it depends on your party's levels. Each time I defeat Frankeroid, I get 40% of my exp, I usually get 1 lv per run including grind[/quote]

You get the completion reward exp when you kill Frankeroid. The same completion reward exp (i.e. 40% for you, I guess) plus a little more from mob kills (5 ~ 10% empirically) can be obtained in Ellin PQ in anywhere between 5 mins to 7.5 mins depending on the party. So, if you do the math, in R&J you can get 100% in 17 ~ 19 mins, in Ellin you can get 45% in 5 ~ 7.5 mins. We see that R&J gets around 5.26 ~ 5.88 %/min, while Ellin gets you 6 ~ 9 %/min

So, from ballparking with the data you gave me, R&J best scenario looks to be worse than Ellin's worst case scenario...

[quote=kirayamato26]There's a limit to how much exp you'll get from grinding on the mobs. I highly doubt that doing 10x more damage than I do can bring it to be higher than what you can otherwise get as the reward exp from Ellin. ._.

What I want to know is how much exp R&J actually yields with the grinding included, quantitatively. Can you give me a number?[/quote]

there's no certain numbers because it depends on your party's levels. Each time I defeat Frankeroid, I get 40% of my exp, I usually get 1 lv per run including grind

[quote=iVege]Well, there's your answer.

People do MPQ because they're not hacked down to weaksauce.

@Edit: I actually find it ridiculous that you're questioning why people are doing MPQ (and you're aware of the grind EXP), when they out-damage you by miles.[/quote]

There's a limit to how much exp you'll get from grinding on the mobs. I highly doubt that doing 10x more damage than I do can bring it to be higher than what you can otherwise get as the reward exp from Ellin. ._.

What I want to know is how much exp R&J actually yields with the grinding included, quantitatively. Can you give me a number?

[quote=kirayamato26]Well, excuse me for getting hacked in the August 2011 incident and losing everything and not having played at all since.

At any rate, what you are saying is that for someone who gets the full reward exp from the PQ's (1.3 mil), the total exp you gain from 19 mins of R&J is greater than or equal to 4.1 mil exp, which is what you can get in Ellin PQ if you finish it in 6 mins and just do that for 19 mins. I find it hard to believe that you can whack mobs and actually get that much exp.[/quote]

Well, there's your answer.

People do MPQ because they're not hacked down to weaksauce.

@Edit: I actually find it ridiculous that you're questioning why people are doing MPQ (and you're aware of the grind EXP), when they out-damage you by miles.

[quote=iVege]You're weak.

And the PQ should take ~19 minutes to do including the grinding. You're wasting your allocated time. I usually grind starting at 17:00 and continue to Yulete's lab at 5:00.[/quote]

Well, excuse me for getting hacked in the August 2011 incident and losing everything and not having played at all since.

At any rate, what you are saying is that for someone who gets the full reward exp from the PQ's (1.3 mil), the total exp you gain from 19 mins of R&J is greater than or equal to 4.1 mil exp, which is what you can get in Ellin PQ if you finish it in 6 mins and just do that for 19 mins. I find it hard to believe that you can whack mobs and actually get that much exp.

[quote=kirayamato26]and the grinding yields less than 400K exp.[/quote]

You're weak.

And the PQ should take ~19 minutes to do including the grinding. You're wasting your allocated time. I usually grind starting at 17:00 and continue to Yulete's lab at 5:00.

i can level up per R & J pq, and i need 2-3 ellin to do that

Interesting. I shall try out Ellin PQ then.

From what I've seen, the grinding experience gotten is far less than the reward exp for completing the PQ. The average run for Ellin PQ is around 5.5 ~ 7.5 mins depending on the party, yielding a reward of somewhere around 400K to 1.3 mil. The average run for R&J from what I've seen is around 15 ~ 17 mins when including the grinding, and the grinding yields less than 400K exp. So when you take the time average, the exp per unit time for Ellin is higher. Not to mention, Ellin PQ is a lot easier and less frustrating.

What the first poster said...
Grinding is the best with R&J

Because you're helping a true love to get their amulet.
Ellin you're helping the faerie of pee or idk.

people grind there, its good exp