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Although Final Cut is a huge boon to dmg, Phantom's 2nd greatest boost from RED is Arrow Platter. Once phantoms reach max impec i dont think ill be seeing much of fc.

[quote=LulzMudkipzz]Well, Combo Attack was removed for Phantoms, so I don't think so.[/quote]
They lost combo and gained final cut... seems like a buff to me.

Essentially post Red patch all the new Adven. skills will "buff" Phantoms on what they are allowed take. Cross over Chains gives them a dmg boost, which they need ALSO even before Red patch, Mercedes and Phantoms receive some minor buffs. Also if you have ever played a Phantom, the cards that fly out with every crit, no longer trigger DR so that's extremely helpful, and mille receives a 10% increase. (120%->130%)

@lazershock: oh gotcha, thanks

@TickleMeChad: Yeah, it was changed in RED (1st impact) from giving 30% quest exp, to 10% buff duration at max level.

http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/kms-ver-1-2-196-maplestory-red-1st-impact/

control + F and search empathy =3

atleast you won't see supportive phantoms anymore
they'll be going full on dps instead of support roles

[yay for bishops and phantoms evolving into dps beasts <3]

@lazershock: does empathy really give 10% buff duration? It doesn't say anything about that.

@LulzMudkipzz: True, time consuming but free =P I believe the fastest way to do it is to simply max herbalism over and over, doing your max daily herbs helps too if you have herbalism.

@lazershock:
Although, the empathy would be really hard to get...

[quote=TickleMeChad]@LulzMudkipzz: Yeah but it is a lot of money you have to spend, now that you have to buy nx for inner ability circulators once you get up to the "Legendary" tier.[/quote]

You can do it without nx =P Buff duration caps at 38% on Unique (though anything above 25% will do) combine that with 10% from max empathy and 15% from mech card and there you go, no cooldown final cut!

@LulzMudkipzz: Yeah but it is a lot of money you have to spend, now that you have to buy nx for inner ability circulators once you get up to the "Legendary" tier.

@TickleMeChad: Well, if you use the right things, you can get permanent final cut. I once got permanent Body Boost on my BaM, but then rollback...

@LulzMudkipzz: Indeed though honestly I don't quite know how I feel about getting final cut. I like the 60% damage buff but the fact that the buff duration is only 60 seconds, and the fact that there is a cool down concerns me. I much prefer having sharp eyes for the extra crit and buff duration.

@ticklemechad: I should warn you, crossover chain is a % total damage modifier of 100%, instead of the 1.25 [b]multiplier[/b] you had from combo attack. Not sure if you know this but due to the way it works, having high amounts of % total damage starts to weaken boss damage =P I believe final cut is still a multiplier though of 1.60.

@TickleMeChad: I said this before I knew about Cross Over Chain and Final Cut. These two buffs are definitely enough to make up for combo attack.

[quote=LulzMudkipzz]Well, Combo Attack was removed for Phantoms, so I don't think so.[/quote]

Lol we are getting Cross Over Chain which after subtracting Combo Attack, is a 75% damage buff for us. 75% > 25%. We're getting a pretty heavy buff right there. Then we are also getting Final Cut. That is another 60% damage.

Think you need to bold the [b]Ratio[/b] part, he seems to be focusing on the current hp part.

@lazershock I can assure you, phantoms have no problem getting their hp up, due to mist mask and high avoid and the fact we can use moves like power guard or magic guard, personally i use magic guard so i never take the effects of 1/1s from czak and it works like a charm. So i will be using magic guard, rage or whatever 2nd job substitute, COC and Se or FC.

[quote=MrMozilla]A ratio can be seen as a percentage. If I have 200hp and a max of 400hp, that's 50%, and with Cross Over Chain, that would mean my damage is increased by 50%.[/quote]

This, thank you my friend for explaining this =P chains literally DOUBLES your range at max hp, its quite a nice skill.... especially when you have a 50k range, so I think Phantom's will benefit from it greatly assuming they can keep their hp up (although i've never played a Phantom so im not sure how good they are)

[quote=johny2toes]@lazershock: Cross Over Chain: Your damage is increased by 100% of your current [b]HP ratio[/b], and your damage taken is decreased by 8% of your missing HP (maximum of 4000 damage reduction) for 180 seconds. (max level: 20)
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A ratio can be seen as a percentage. If I have 200hp and a max of 400hp, that's 50%, and with Cross Over Chain, that would mean my damage is increased by 50%.

[quote=johny2toes] Cross Over Chain: Your damage is increased by [b]100% of your current HP ratio[/b], and your damage taken is decreased by 8% of your missing HP (maximum of 4000 damage reduction) for 180 seconds. (max level: 20)

Meaning if I have 1000 HP it gives me 1000 dmg.
It's not 100% your damage range it's 100% of your HP added as damage.[/quote]

watch the video I posted; A ratio is in percent. his range goes from (min) 2292 to 4584 and his max goes from 3276 to 6456. Im a dark knight, I would know how my own skill works =P that is literally; almost double his range. But notice he doesn't have full hp, to be exact he is 38 hp short of max, thus making the game round down and give him a 99% damage boost.

Lol ya technically they are getting buffed too

@lazershock: Cross Over Chain: Your damage is increased by [b]100% of your current HP ratio[/b], and your damage taken is decreased by 8% of your missing HP (maximum of 4000 damage reduction) for 180 seconds. (max level: 20)

Meaning if I have 1000 HP it gives me 1000 dmg.
It's not 100% your damage range it's 100% of your HP added as damage.

A lot of actives got removed like combo attack and having crash being in 4th job isn't ideal for phantoms. As well, explorers got a lot of passives that phantoms can't steal.
So at the moment, I don't know how ideal it is, but I'm hoping it will be an overall buff rather than an overall nerf.
However, I don't think Nexon had phantoms in mind when making the revamp

@johny2toes: it is 100% of your range, ratios are ALWAYS in percents (or fractions but we don't use those in MS) I literally watched someones range go from 3k to 6k with JUST chains at like, level 6x. Besides its been checked multiple times on the SP forums how it works =P

In short: if you have full hp it adds 100% to your range because you are adding 100%.... of 100% to your range (thus doubling it) Should add in by the way the downfall to it is that it MAY be counted as % total damage, so it makes boss damage weaker if it isn't multiplicative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgCE6VuzkBs
you can watch chains take effect here, theres another video that shows a jump from 12k to 24k but I can't find it currently.

[quote=lazershock]If you can steal it; crossover chains is one of the best buffs in the game for you since it literally doubles your range.[/quote]

It's not +100% range boost
it's 100% of your current HP ratio added as range.

If you can steal it; crossover chains is one of the best buffs in the game for you since it literally doubles your range.

Not really, it just means phantom is in a dangerous place atm.
I personally don't know whether or not they will just keep the
skills the same and incorporate them in the new adv or if they
will just "reorganize" or skills like they did with BaM. Hopefully
not the latter, though I can almost guarantee that impec will
be changed in some way(assumptions).

QQing Phantoms have mourned the loss of COMBO ORB...

Well, Combo Attack was removed for Phantoms, so I don't think so.