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@dohboi:
So true.

Rollback, and Lost all my equips, freakiin great

Quit arguing and look at my post! guys not even mr.basil has updated

[quote=whotookmycookie]I hope they dont ban the people who abused it but at least some punishment T.T
YES I WANT IT TO BE FAIR
after bb its not so hard to level anymore so why should they be able to level in mere minutes while it takes us a couple hours?[/quote]

Well unless you like constant grinding the hell levels are hell for a reason, haha.

The maintenance will end at 7:30 PM Pacific (10:30 PM Eastern). During this time, we will address the following:

-Fixes-
* Hoblin King PQ Flaw
* Disconnection Issue
* Trade Block Issue

-Compensation-
* Cash Shop items purchased before the maintenance will be extended by 24 hours.
* 2x Event will run this Friday and Saturday.
* Store permit and hired merchant compensation is being planned to address the frequent Free Market disconnections.

We are currently investigating 4596 accounts in regard to the Hoblin King PQ flaw. We will take action after our investigation is complete.
[b]We are currently investigating 4596 accounts in regard to the Hoblin King PQ flaw.[/b]
i find this hilarious

I hope they dont ban the people who abused it but at least some punishment T.T
YES I WANT IT TO BE FAIR
after bb its not so hard to level anymore so why should they be able to level in mere minutes while it takes us a couple hours?

[quote=Zerthog]LOL, actually, a guildie of mine asked me to abuse glitch with him, i immediately kicked him.[/quote]

Power to the players.

[quote=kickass70]NO NONONO i dun wanna be banned u haters just cause u didnt getta abuse the awesomeness!
[/quote]

shut up. You are so dumb. No we quite frankly do not care for the glitch. I hope you do get banned though just because you are so idiotic.

[quote=Knight9777]Its legal, and the bank pays you for finding a bank error

Edit* Only if you report it, ofc.[/quote]
Pfffft
the bank will chrge you for whatever amount the ATM spit out

NO NONONO i dun wanna be banned u haters just cause u didnt getta abuse the awesomeness!

[quote=Zerthog]5k ACCOUNTS UNDER INSPECTION! BAN EM ALLLLLLLL![/quote]

YEAH!

the games finally gonna open up at 10:30est WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

If this happens to everyone who uses an ATM, banks should just quit now.

[quote=DgxHardy]I accidently used the glitch.I had to used the bathroom and I was standing at the portal and I slammed the door when I left my room and my watch fell and it landed on the up arrow and I just left it there, next thing I know, I'm level 159.

Haha just kidding[/quote]

Dibs on this excuse!
OT: If they're gonna ban for this, they better mass ban more for the duping... I saw this as a chance to copensate for the last exploit that I missed, oh well we'll see how this pans out.

[quote=myrdrex]Exactly! As long as you're exploiting someone elses mistake, you're doing nothing wrong.

When Maddoff tricked all those people into giving him their money, that was their mistake.

Leave your house door open? That's quite the mistake! It's up for grabs, the law and society celarly state it's ok to take anything of value in the place.

A company accidentally doesn't lock down a certain port and a certain default admin username? Then it's my right to go in and electronically vandalize their website.

All those defenses have worked so well in recent history.

I agree there's totally different levels of abuse of someone's mistake. Stealing the life avings of countless people- yeah, that's inexcusable and deserves an absurd penalty. Bringing down a online video game (or the PSN network) for a few hours or days? Yeah- I'd rather that happened 100X over than someone commits a much more serious offense.

Either way though, the "someone else made a mistake and I illegally took advantage of it" doesn't cut it in a legal court or the court of popular opinion.[/quote]

I don't see why you guys think that taking an advantage of this situation that is clearly a mistake an illegal activity that rivals to thieves if they're not stealing from someone. You're blowing this topic into a matter of stealing, when you're not stealing from anyone.

Not at all, I was overpayed by a mere $30 and reported that.

[quote=PaperCrane]legal? no. moral? no? will 90% of the basil community say that it is moral, and legal? yes.[/quote]

Pretty much sums up this question. Actually, 95% of the maple community in general will say yes.

Haha!
"We are currently investigating 4596 accounts in regard to the Hoblin King PQ flaw. We will take action after our investigation is complete."

Apparently Nexon doesn't think it's no big deal.

[quote=Rezoina]Holy ... Dude people who used this glith aren't thieves. They didn't steal exp from someone or steal money from someone. Your example of theives is totally irrelevant to what I'm saying. The people who used the glitch took advantage just like Bill Gates or Eddie Van Halen or Jimmy Page did to their competitors. And you know where advantages come from? Mistakes, clearly like what Nexon did. It's a mistake, everyone does them, and making a huge deal that won't affects someone's fun is just taking it too far. A mistake, and if they take out everyone on taking advantage of a mistake that was on their fault, it's not the right way to approach on it. A rollback is even more unfair so what I'm pointing out a dilemma and the bet way to approach it.[/quote]

Exactly! As long as you're exploiting someone elses mistake, you're doing nothing wrong.

When Maddoff tricked all those people into giving him their money, that was their mistake.

Leave your house door open? That's quite the mistake! It's up for grabs, the law and society celarly state it's ok to take anything of value in the place.

A company accidentally doesn't lock down a certain port and a certain default admin username? Then it's my right to go in and electronically vandalize their website.

All those defenses have worked so well in recent history.

I agree there's totally different levels of abuse of someone's mistake. Stealing the life avings of countless people- yeah, that's inexcusable and deserves an absurd penalty. Bringing down a online video game (or the PSN network) for a few hours or days? Yeah- I'd rather that happened 100X over than someone commits a much more serious offense.

Either way though, the "someone else made a mistake and I illegally took advantage of it" doesn't cut it in a legal court or the court of popular opinion.

[quote=gripman67]@rezer, people do get banned for abusing glitches and not just hacking. And also your stealing money from the bank, in this case your stealing "exp" from the pq because the exp does not belong to you. You got the exp by abusing a glitch. Exp isn't tangible but it still counts as an item of value. And back to the other point you avoided. How is telling your friends about a glitch being a good friend. You're just leading them into trouble.[/quote]

Well at that point when you find out about it it's your decision, all your friend is doing is giving you more options not forcing you to partake in it. And now you're talking that a PQ has feelings? The PQ has it's own unlimited source of exp that isn't stealing anyone's money, time, or exp.

@killercool9: I know there's a hierarchy but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't value roaches. Like some bees, we try and kill them, but they help produce honey and pollinate flowers. As much as some of us hate things, they play a role in life.

If that happened, I would take my 20 and 2 extra. This is due to the fact is, dont quote me on this, its illegal to sue for less than $50 worth.

[quote=myrdrex]Yes, people who don't cheat others are better people. Millionaires who have gotten their wealth by stealing are worse people.

It's not that difficult a concept.

Let's look at the last 2 largest thieves of the modern era, the two who have stolen and defrauded the 2 largest amounts in history. Bernie Maddoff and Jeffrey Skilling.

Yeah, they lived an epically successful life. But it doesn't make them good people. IN fact, they were so vile, that they've now both suffered the worst thing anyone can ever suffer- BOTH their sons committed suicide out of shame for what their fathers had done.

Wow, something really admirable there.

I'm not disagreeing that cheating in life can get you ahead, temporarily. For very very few people it can provide an entire lifetime of wealth. But that doesn't make them good people. It makes them devoid of ethics and common decency, but with enough savvy and luck to not get caught.[/quote]

Holy ... Dude people who used this glith aren't thieves. They didn't steal exp from someone or steal money from someone. Your example of theives is totally irrelevant to what I'm saying. The people who used the glitch took advantage just like Bill Gates or Eddie Van Halen or Jimmy Page did to their competitors. And you know where advantages come from? Mistakes, clearly like what Nexon did. It's a mistake, everyone does them, and making a huge deal that won't affects someone's fun is just taking it too far. A mistake, and if they take out everyone on taking advantage of a mistake that was on their fault, it's not the right way to approach on it. A rollback is even more unfair so what I'm pointing out a dilemma and the bet way to approach it.

@LEGENDairy: Yeah, only there are things called Hierarchies... or did you not learn about those.

You're point is more than ridiculous... Next time you swat at a fly or squat a bug on your windshield make sure you look for it's parents, notify them, call the police and give them a proper burial Ghandi.

Do that at least once and i'll stop arguing with you, till then, please shut the f**k up cuz i'm sure you don't utilize the same ideologies, that you are trying to force upon us,
on a day to day basis...

@myrdrex: lol obviously if you see who did it and the person is right here in the moment is different, also im sure that a wallet wont gonna hurt anyone. The ATM, god the banks have much more money than that and also the ppl that got caught with that are just dumb lol. In the HPQ glitch the ppl that are ragging in this treath is just because they didnt used the exploid, like the chaos and wep scrolls exploit, after the exploid almost 80% of the players buyed the scrolls knowing that they come from hackers and then when nexon started to ban the ppl that had it all was ragging.

Also here where i live i dont think the police gonna do much and the ppl dont gonna be calling and going to see the police for something like that, if you give it to the police station is just like gift it to them lol.

[quote=pogopopex4]@luckyraver99 Couldn't have said it better maself[/quote]

I don't think anyone is paying attention to my comment other than you :l but thanks! ^.^

[quote=LEGENDairy]@killercool9: Well yeah I'd say that. Humans are just as much as animals as roaches. Just that we view them as pests. They could view us as pests and wish we were exterminated too, couldn't they?[/quote]

There are humans who think of other humans just the way these humans think think of roaches. In fact I'd rather respect the adaptability and roaches' ability to survive in such crude environments. Infact, when some moron causes the next world war humans will be in-existent, and the roaches will win

[quote=Rezoina]Oh please. Better people? No one's just as better than anyone else just because no one knows how to take advantage of something. You do know that people like the wealthy have taken advantage of millions, but yet why do some people respect some of them? Look at history or sociology and see how it works. Not every single person's morals that were taught by parents were all good. I've studied history in detail and look at any successful leader and see if they all played fair.[/quote]

Yes, people who don't cheat others are better people. Millionaires who have gotten their wealth by stealing are worse people.

It's not that difficult a concept.

Let's look at the last 2 largest thieves of the modern era, the two who have stolen and defrauded the 2 largest amounts in history. Bernie Maddoff and Jeffrey Skilling.

Yeah, they lived an epically successful life. But it doesn't make them good people. IN fact, they were so vile, that they've now both suffered the worst thing anyone can ever suffer- BOTH their sons committed suicide out of shame for what their fathers had done.

Wow, something really admirable there.

I'm not disagreeing that cheating in life can get you ahead, temporarily. For very very few people it can provide an entire lifetime of wealth. But that doesn't make them good people. It makes them devoid of ethics and common decency, but with enough savvy and luck to not get caught.

I don't Hob PQ anymore so this doesn't affect me in any way

Is it like the people had a choice?

For one, I noticed that people COULDN'T LEAVE. Not even if they wanted too. So you can't blame them for technically 'trying to leave' and then gaining exp as they try to leave. Technically it's not the players fault, rather than nexons. However after people became aware of this, yes. It would be their fault.

[quote=gripman67]@rezer,

Um, it's nexon's fault for implenting the exploit and it's the abuser's fault for abusing it? Also how am i acting like this glitch is a hack? And nexon does have the right do ban people that abuses a glitch. It's common sense. Just like TS said. If the ATM starts spewing money that isn't yours and you take it, you will get punished. It is stealing. There was a case in Australia where ATMs starting giving out free money and people were abusing it. People were charged if they didn't return the money. Also what type of logic do you have in if there's a glitch lets all spread it. You're encouraging someone else to do wrong. It's just like people in the real world saying look "free money from ATM". They're friends do it. They get punished. In simpler text: You're encouraging your friends to partake in a crime.[/quote]

You're acting like it is a hack because you point out such rational things like a ban. It's a simple mistake on Nexon's part and quite frankly if Nexon can just revert some people to rollbacks I'm all up for it, but since there are such rational decisions because the lack of technology I fight for just being moderate. And the ATM machine isn't a great example because you're stealing from other people's money. In this case you're not stealing someone's money or exp. And look at how long it's taking Nexon apparently they're in this dilemma that we are fighting about.

@killercool9: Well yeah I'd say that. Humans are just as much as animals as roaches. Just that we view them as pests. They could view us as pests and wish we were exterminated too, couldn't they?

@LEGENDairy: Well by your logic, killing a roach is comparable to killing a human being.

It's the concept of valuing life XD!

That's how you sound to me... calm down brah.

[quote=killercool9]@LEGENDairy: No... I'm saying that this game doesn't matter. Are you trying to put this game on the same level as reality? Or did you not read my comment...[/quote]

I did read your comment, I'm just saying that the two cases are quite comparable. I'm pretty sure this game has affected everyone who's played it, even if they don't like to admit it.

At the end of the day its a game. If you are seriously disturbed because we are going to get rollbacked a couple of hours, then please for your own sake, find a new hobby. Yes I PROUDLY exploited this glitch. Am I bad person? Well, what I do on this GAME is in no way a factor in that. I do stufff on maple that I wouldn't do in real life because IT IS A GAME. NOBODY should be harmed by the consequences of glitch abuses. The worst that can happen is people are inconvenienced. If you lose money(NX), then that is another issue. You need to get it refunded through Nexon.

This is more than just a RB, this is people taking a 2D-Scrolling game WAY to seriously.

[quote=aarongo]@myrdrex: well i never knew about this, but anyways i dont think it will be ilegal is like find a wallet in the street, just because you take it you become in a thief. It was the mistake of some1 else[/quote]

In most countries even that is wrong. It's considered "wrongful withholding".

If you see a person drop their car keys on the ground, you can't grab them and run off with the car saying "Ha! You made a mistake!". LIkewise you cant wait for them to leave, then jump int he car and drive off saying "Ha! Your mistake, you dropped your keys! The car is mine!".

Same if you leave your front door open.

In all cases it's a morally reprehensible act to keep something that belongs to others. In the case of a wallet, you're usually legally obligated to turn it in to the police station. If it's not claimed after a certain time, you can sometimes get it back.

The same goes for the ATM, it's stealing. Even if it's someone's "Mistake", you can't legally keep it.

Here's 1 example if you live in Nexon's state of California-
"One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft." (California Penal Code section 485.)

I'm sure your state has a very similar law with respect to wallets and other found items.

[quote=myrdrex]How does this hurt anyone? So it's fair for the Nexon crew to have to work overtime to handle all the bans and rollbacks? There's no harm is causing the game to be offline and people to have their designated leisure activity taken away from them?

Yes, I fully admit it's just a game, there's obviously scales to how wrong an action is.

But it doesn't change the fact that people who are willing to cheat, when they think it will benefit them and they won't get caught because no one is watching, have a character flaw.

People who choose to do the right thing, when no one is watching, are simply better people.

You naive logic of how because world is so horrible there it's ok it lie cheat and steal is simply incorrect. Yes, great horrors exist in the world, but civilization is held together because most people ARE willing to do the right thing, despite there being no one watching. There's not enough police in the world to keep order if they had to constantly monitor everyone. It's our inherent respect for other people that acts as the glue to civilization.

Before you start calling people naive, you may want to brush up on some very basic history and sociology.[/quote]

Oh please. Better people? No one's just as better than anyone else just because no one knows how to take advantage of something. You do know that people like the wealthy have taken advantage of millions, but yet why do some people respect some of them? Look at history or sociology and see how it works. Not every single person's morals that were taught by parents were all good. I've studied history in detail and look at any successful leader and see if they all played fair.

@LEGENDairy: No... I'm saying that this game doesn't matter. Are you trying to put this game on the same level as reality? Or did you not read my comment...

[quote=LEGENDairy]Using that reasoning, you might as well not incorporate morals at all, seeing how we're gonna all die in the end. Not like anyone can live forever?[/quote]

Morality is at least partially innate, so I don't really know how much of an option it is for a person to incorporate morality into his or her actions.

Ethical values, which are imposed to you since the time you're a child, have been made through scrutinizing coincidental moralistic values among a group of people.

Considering it's a social convention, it would make your life difficult if you decide to question the values imposed to you, so I don't see any reason as to why you shouldn't attempt to at least follow the social expectations of your peers - not out of nature, as I don't know how much control you have in doing so - but out of simply preferential reasoning.

When applied to the game, you simply don't have the same social convention to take into consideration.
You could call it indifference, you could call it being amoral, but I will not follow a set of ethics in a game such as this.

But, hey, I'm neither a philosophy major nor do I strive to be one, so I wouldn't doubt if I'm being misled somewhere along the lines of what I said.

nice thinking and i will definitely take it, i doubt theres gonna be a rb cus there were so many high lvl's ppl lvling in hob-pq, so yea...

[quote=gripman67]@rezers

Of course they'll be a maintenence, but will nexon have to spend extra time deciding on how they should deal with the abusers? Will nexon have some options of banning people or maybe even a rollback? No, they won't since no-one abused it. Granted there may be some that "accidently" stumbled upon the glitch. But imagine if you found out a glitch. Bl chat: OMGOMG, new glitch guys, unlimited exp at hob pq. Then all your buddies spread it across maplestory. Then it spreads like wildfire and then heaps of people start abusing the glitch. I"m pretty sure that just a few "innocent" maplers just stumbled upon the glitch, didn't tell anyone about it and just sat there waiting for the server maintenence. Also did i say that i wanted to play in a world that where everything is fair? I just want to play in a world where the community doesn't act as if it's always nexon's fault for everything. ALso people that get funds from friends are doing it LEGITLY. They have friends good enough to give them funds so they deserve fly past faster. They have someone HELPING them unlike those who have no-one helping them and are starting anew.[/quote]

In this case on a non bias view it is their fault, it was one mistake and like anyone who makes a mistake they will so oops and clean it up. You're acting like this glitch was because someone hacked it. People like you I predict will say 'NOO not our mistake and we shall ban everyoneeeee!' And if people have BL's spread the word isn't it helping a good friend?

@myrdrex: well i never knew about this, but anyways i dont think it will be ilegal is like find a wallet in the street, just because you take it you become in a thief. It was the mistake of some1 else

@myrdrex: Dude, shut the h3ll up lol, nobody cares what you're talking about... Like at all, If I wanted a lesson on morality i'd be talking to my mom and not on basil. Not I didn't direct my remark towards you. If you take this game that seriously that you want to trash everyone that acts "Immoral" in your eyes then you probably need to take a break...

[quote=aarongo]is legal lol beause it was a fail from the ATM not you, if you did something to make that posible then it can be ilegal[/quote]

You are demonstrably wrong, as proven by numerous examples of this occurring in real life, and people being arrested for theft (some charged with felonies since it was above $500).

In the end all i see is people in rage and alot of people perma'd

is legal lol beause it was a fail from the ATM not you, if you did something to make that posible then it can be ilegal

[quote=Rezoina]You're acting like everyone who's cheated is a jerk! How does this really hurt anyone? Really I ASK YOU THIS. If someone's leveled up faster than you, you say nope BAN! I'm not spurring nonsense dude, it's reality. And there are people who used this glitch who aren't jerks really.[/quote]

How does this hurt anyone? So it's fair for the Nexon crew to have to work overtime to handle all the bans and rollbacks? There's no harm is causing the game to be offline and people to have their designated leisure activity taken away from them?

Yes, I fully admit it's just a game, there's obviously scales to how wrong an action is.

But it doesn't change the fact that people who are willing to cheat, when they think it will benefit them and they won't get caught because no one is watching, have a character flaw.

People who choose to do the right thing, when no one is watching, are simply better people.

You naive logic of how because world is so horrible there it's ok it lie cheat and steal is simply incorrect. Yes, great horrors exist in the world, but civilization is held together because most people ARE willing to do the right thing, despite there being no one watching. There's not enough police in the world to keep order if they had to constantly monitor everyone. It's our inherent respect for other people that acts as the glue to civilization.

Before you start calling people naive, you may want to brush up on some very basic history and sociology.

[quote=Yournightz]Screw rollbacks I don't want to lose levels, make month long ban to abusers so we can catch up OR MORE. Its what they deserve and because all the little abusers causing us to lose this time better spent training will come in and argue: READ THE DANG ToS![/quote]

Nah i wasnt even playing MS today and i heard that my friends JR went from level 120-175. I spent way more then just a month to get to 175 and ill just quit if they dont roll back. its as simple as that. Maplestory becomes a broken game, players will quit.

[quote=duckyyboyy]You're a fricking moron. They're perma'ing for this. They perma'd for the kenta's pet closeness quest. Not serious about it?[/quote]

they perma'd for kenta's closeness quest? LOL i got like 10 levels on my pet from that awhile ago LOLOLOL.(got no ban from it) RB this time would be ok with me seeing as i hardly ever train lol~ FREE MAPLE PTS AND 2x PLOX

[quote=myrdrex]I believe growing up involves maturing enough to not say "People do bad things, therefore it's ok for me to do bad things".

You're spouting psychotic nonsense. If you honestly think that you can enter the workforce, maintain a healthy long term relationship and raise well adjusted children with the "People do horrible things, other people steal, so it justifies my pathetic behavior", then you have a rude awakening in store for you.

Reality check- jerks don't live long happy lives, surrounded on their death beds by a family that love them. The die lonely, unloved, and unmissed by anyone.

Trust me, the 'everyone else is doing it, so it's ok for me to' is a more sure sign of your youth than I can possibly convey. I believe I'm not the one that has any growing up and maturing to do.[/quote]

You're acting like everyone who's cheated is a jerk! How does this really hurt anyone? Really I ASK YOU THIS. If someone's leveled up faster than you, you say nope BAN! I'm not spurring nonsense dude, it's reality. And there are people who used this glitch who aren't jerks really.

[quote=killercool9]You sir, are a boss! I like how poeple like to incorporate Morality into A GAME! I can't strees enough that this is only a game

I only apply morals to things that matter or are gonna effect me in the long run... Like Real life?[/quote]

Using that reasoning, you might as well not incorporate morals at all, seeing how we're gonna all die in the end. Not like anyone can live forever?