Thunder Breakers are lame bossesrs --
Made a thread earlier about it, but I tried it first hand and Thunder Breakers at 4th jobs are not properly built for bosses and even training is not as easy as I thought it would be, so I'm glad I had my 120 TB already.
1) You can't use pots while chaining skills.
2) Main combo attack skills Anniliate + Thunder freeze you in spot, you can't move while attacking and the attack chain together so quickly its hard to stop immediately.
3) Attacks by themselves have a long delay if using one skills.
With stationary bosses like zakum are fine, but if your dealing with bosses with damage reflect, or moving bosses your going to be annoyed unless you do enough damage to keep them Knocked back against the wall.
>.<They seriously need a drain skill and replace it with the flash teleport skills.
Anyways, other TBs want to give their first takes on new thunder breakers? I'll probably be switching to Wind Breakers.
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[quote=Ecyz]I'm not having any trouble bossing whatsoever. Training is extremely easy as well...
Are you sure you're chaining the right skills for training? I use practically every skill aside from the first job shark punch thing.
I can wipe out Evo in like 2 seconds with a 20x HP core using the Thunderbolt and Shark Sweep combo. Monster Park Extreme is also "Extreme"ly easy (lol) with that combo.
If you don't like the skill chaining, play a BaM or Bucc. It's an extremely important part of this class and reduces delay by a ton. With an Extreme Green potion I can whip out Thunderbolts faster than it takes for the numbers to disappear.
This is my favorite class of all time I swear to god. I'm having too much fun.[/quote]
This right here...! Tbs are great at bossing. If you're smart just buy a pet and an auto hp pouch you shouldn't have any problems.... Especially when killing HT
@Ecyz technically we have skill chaining. you cant use BKB without chaining to Fb and in the patch after red we get more chain skills
@Xehanort: The only true spam class is nothing right now. Everything has at least two skills they use.
New thunder breakers are one of my favorite classes of all time, next to Hayato and Aran
They're pretty much the only reason I'm still playing right now, I had quit for a while before trying them out
I don't care if they suck at bossing, they can't be worse than Arans and I still play them
@fradddd: fun is subjective. Some people find spam classes as the most boring things ever. And they are.
[quote=Ecyz]Yep[/quote]
No. In situations where you ohko or even 2hko and need the attack range without hindering yourself, not comboing is often the best option.
@Xehanort:
3. But why have a class centered around combos when there are classes that are not centered around combos which are just as fun and just as strong.
[quote=fradddd]1. Bossing. You can't move forward cause you have to turn around. Pyramid PQ. You can't move forward because they'll go past you or you'll go past them. Monster Park Extreme. You can't go to the very edge or they'll spawn behind you.
2. But time.
3. Which means that you suck without them and with them sometimes.
4. Is Shark Sweep the skill from 3rd job that makes you fly up?
I think right now they're only good cause their numbers I guess. Whatever. I don't really have anything AGAINST them, it's just that other classes are easier and more practical to play.[/quote]
1. Sharksweep+thunderbolt
2.Sharksweep+thunderbolt is pretty dang fast and IMO the best stationary mobbing combo
3. Cry about it. This class is centered around combos
4. No, it's the second job skill that isn't the wave.
[quote=Ecyz]Please name such a situation
Still adds 15% damage and extra dps since they fit perfectly in between uses (see: Thunderbolt > Shark Sweep)
Yep
Once again, Thunderbolt > Shark Sweep. Just because it's from a previous advancement doesn't mean you should remove it from your keyboard. Spamming Thunderbolt is extremely slow and you lose out on the 15% from your 3rd job passive (for chaining), so obviously you'd want to chain it with another skill that 1. doesn't move you, 2. isn't too weak and 3. is a mobbing skill. Which would be Shark Sweep.
My TB is level 150 and I've done tons of bosses and PQs. I do perfectly fine in all of them. In fact I'm usually doing the best in of my party
And even though my gear isn't the best, I can still kill Zak in under 2 and a half minutes. TBs are perfectly practical if you'd actually play them...[/quote]
1. Bossing. You can't move forward cause you have to turn around. Pyramid PQ. You can't move forward because they'll go past you or you'll go past them. Monster Park Extreme. You can't go to the very edge or they'll spawn behind you.
2. But time.
3. Which means that you suck without them and with them sometimes.
4. Is Shark Sweep the skill from 3rd job that makes you fly up?
I think right now they're only good cause their numbers I guess. Whatever. I don't really have anything AGAINST them, it's just that other classes are easier and more practical to play.
@superimani:
Yup, in some situtations
Annihilate + Flash = fastest 1v1 dps (given it works at some bosses, not all)
Annihilate + Lightning Punch = 1v1 dps substitute for Flash for situations that don't let you use the above combo
Annihilate + Bolt Anchor = 1v1 as well, it may be a little slower then Lightning Punch but the amount of damage/lines it hits is more then enough to make up for it
Using an attack speed pot will also make your combos a lot faster
[quote=RoflAssasin]1. I've yet to be in a situation where my combos are not practical besides learning them at first
2. Using weaker skill's isn't a bad thing, by using weaker skills and comboing with a larger attack, it is essentially MUCH faster e.g. Shark Kick + Gale = OP attack speed
3. Well yes, but spamming one skill isn't what this class is about - go play an NL then
4. Annihilate + Thunderbolt is only for 1v1 situations where you can't use Annihilate and Flash (essentially just spamming annihilate fast). Prior to 150 mobbing I used for stationary was Shark Kick + Thunderbolt. At 150 - the hyper lets you spam Gale so it becomes Gale + Thunderbolt or Gale + Shark Kick if you do you really large damage with Gale. Yes, by spamming Gale you do lose out on the damage buff but is more then worth it as linking Gale with Thunderbolt Anchor OR Shark Kick absolutely destroys mobs with great attack speed and all those damage lines.
It seems to me you didn't know how to play the class
If in doubt, just combo Shark Kick + whatever skill you think would work out in that situation[/quote]
isn't Annihilate pretty good with lighting punch?
[quote=fradddd]@Ecyz:
@Ouhai
1. Sometimes you're in a situation when your combos will not be practical, no matter which combos you use.
2. Sometimes you might make it "practical", but then you might end up having to use weaker skills that you got from previous job advancements, which is no efficient.
3. If you don't use combos, then you're potentially weaker, and you attack slower, so you're kinda forced to use them.
4. In 4th job, you have Annihilate and Thunderbolt to combo, without being forced to move forward. But, Annihilate only hits 1 mob I think, so with multiple mobs, you have to spam Thunderbolt, and then you attack slower and weaker.
Overall, spamming classes are more practical the majority of the time, especially since they all have rush, pull, push, teleporting, and/or jumping skills.[/quote]
1. I've yet to be in a situation where my combos are not practical besides learning them at first
2. Using weaker skill's isn't a bad thing, by using weaker skills and comboing with a larger attack, it is essentially MUCH faster e.g. Shark Kick + Gale = OP attack speed
3. Well yes, but spamming one skill isn't what this class is about - go play an NL then
4. Annihilate + Thunderbolt is only for 1v1 situations where you can't use Annihilate and Flash (essentially just spamming annihilate fast). Prior to 150 mobbing I used for stationary was Shark Kick + Thunderbolt. At 150 - the hyper lets you spam Gale so it becomes Gale + Thunderbolt or Gale + Shark Kick if you do you really large damage with Gale. Yes, by spamming Gale you do lose out on the damage buff but is more then worth it as linking Gale with Thunderbolt Anchor OR Shark Kick absolutely destroys mobs with great attack speed and all those damage lines.
It seems to me you didn't know how to play the class
If in doubt, just combo Shark Kick + whatever skill you think would work out in that situation
[quote=daviddabest]bossing in general is easy
chaining attacks lets you attack through stun
I've done hilla
hilla is easy[/quote]
I've noticed the stun thing, it's so awesome, hopefully they don't change it.
@fradddd
Combo class created, complains about combo class having to combo.
And the thing about thunderbolt, Thunderbolt+Typhoon Thunderbolt+Shark sweep.
All your arguments are invalid.
[quote=fradddd]1. Sometimes you're in a situation when your combos will not be practical, no matter which combos you use.[/quote]
Please name such a situation
[quote=fradddd]2. Sometimes you might make it "practical", but then you might end up having to use weaker skills that you got from previous job advancements, which is no efficient.[/quote]
Still adds 15% damage and extra dps since they fit perfectly in between uses (see: Thunderbolt > Shark Sweep)
[quote=fradddd]3. If you don't use combos, then you're potentially weaker, and you attack slower, so you're kinda forced to use them.[/quote]
Yep
[quote=fradddd]4. In 4th job, you have Annihilate and Thunderbolt to combo, without being forced to move forward. But, Annihilate only hits 1 mob I think, so with multiple mobs, you have to spam Thunderbolt, and then you attack slower and weaker.[/quote]
Once again, Thunderbolt > Shark Sweep. Just because it's from a previous advancement doesn't mean you should remove it from your keyboard. Spamming Thunderbolt is extremely slow and you lose out on the 15% from your 3rd job passive (for chaining), so obviously you'd want to chain it with another skill that 1. doesn't move you, 2. isn't too weak and 3. is a mobbing skill. Which would be Shark Sweep.
My TB is level 150 and I've done tons of bosses and PQs. I do perfectly fine in all of them. In fact I'm usually doing the best in of my party
And even though my gear isn't the best, I can still kill Zak in under 2 and a half minutes. TBs are perfectly practical if you'd actually play them...
bossing in general is easy
chaining attacks lets you attack through stun
I've done hilla
hilla is easy
@Ecyz:
If you need to spam, like in Pyramid PQ for example, you can't have skills that FORCE you to move forward, like most Thunder Breaker combos/skills. Well, at least until 4th job maybe.
If you don't want to go flying off a platform, your combo skills won't really help out either.
@Satoshi1234: No. For me, sometimes the combos don't work because of lag. Because I don't press it any slower.
@Ouhai
1. Sometimes you're in a situation when your combos will not be practical, no matter which combos you use.
2. Sometimes you might make it "practical", but then you might end up having to use weaker skills that you got from previous job advancements, which is no efficient.
3. If you don't use combos, then you're potentially weaker, and you attack slower, so you're kinda forced to use them.
4. In 4th job, you have Annihilate and Thunderbolt to combo, without being forced to move forward. But, Annihilate only hits 1 mob I think, so with multiple mobs, you have to spam Thunderbolt, and then you attack slower and weaker.
Overall, spamming classes are more practical the majority of the time, especially since they all have rush, pull, push, teleporting, and/or jumping skills.
[quote=fradddd]@ClericBoyZ15: No, because it doesn't work in most situations, it's not practical, and if you lag, it really doesn't work.[/quote]
It's only as practical as you make it
AKA if you're GOOD with using it in various scenarios and can adapt, then you're golden. The key is to think outside the box and make use of the properties of each skill instead of relying on spamming only one good combo
They're only lame when you have that downer attitude of yours, OP.
[quote=fradddd]No, because it doesn't work in most situations, it's not practical, and if you lag, it really doesn't work.[/quote]
Lag only comes into play when buff-casting, potion-drinking, item-picking, and flash-jumping/teleporting. Combat is unaffected by lag (even the fastest of chain combos) unless you just did one of the above and need to wait for it to actually register with the server.
[quote=fradddd]@ClericBoyZ15: No, because it doesn't work in most situations, it's not practical, and if you lag, it really doesn't work.[/quote]
Wat? It works in every situation. It's extremely practical (lowering the cast times of your skills and getting a 15% dmg buff is bad somehow?) lagging is for Americans
The reason our HP does down fast is because Ironclad doesn't work. That 10% damage reduction means a lot
@ClericBoyZ15: No, because it doesn't work in most situations, it's not practical, and if you lag, it really doesn't work.
[quote=RoflAssasin]I can pot.
Invincibility frames? Ngr pls, this isn't pre-bb anymore
I solo'd cht at 16x with no problem at all. You're just doing it wrong[/quote]
^ This.
[quote=LoveDocABC]Well, I don't have an issue chaining skills, I played TBs when they first came out and being able to chain skills and have invincibility frames was really nice.
But this chaining is pretty useless.
1) You can't pot
2) No invincibility frames.
What bosses have you done? Have you tried Hilia yet?[/quote]
I can pot.
Invincibility frames? Ngr pls, this isn't pre-bb anymore
I solo'd cht at 16x with no problem at all. You're just doing it wrong
[quote=LoveDocABC]chaining is pretty useless. [/quote]
You can't be serious.
This is why chaining/combo/forced-movement-attack classes are stupid
Evan card + Jr. Boogie = No MP pots
Yea low base hp/mp is really beginning to be a problem. I go through MP sooo fast.
[quote=GraffitiSkyez]This x1000000000000. Once you find a comfortable configuration for your keyboard, combos are literally fluid as water. As long as you have a decent range & know how to maneuver the class well, bossing shouldn't be a problem. Just pay attention.[/quote]
This guy's right. Only bad thing is the low base hp, and they chew through pots stupidly fast.
Only thing that even slightly bothers me is that I seemed to chew through potions while I was doing attendance, but this could just be because I usually play a paladin or battle mage, where I use no potions
[quote=Ecyz]This is my favorite class of all time I swear to god. I'm having too much fun.[/quote]
This x1000000000000. Once you find a comfortable configuration for your keyboard, combos are literally fluid as water. As long as you have a decent range & know how to maneuver the class well, bossing shouldn't be a problem. Just pay attention.
If you don't chain at the VERY LEAST Thunderbolt+Shark Sweep, kill yourself or stop playing a TB.
Personally, I find chaining to be quite fun. I've tried Hill a couple of times, and stopping before she casts DR hasn't been a problem for me.
If you want the damage bonus while spamming one attack, I'd say just chain it to Lightning Punch (first job skill) barely takes up any time, and you get 15% damage.
Well, I don't have an issue chaining skills, I played TBs when they first came out and being able to chain skills and have invincibility frames was really nice.
But this chaining is pretty useless.
1) You can't pot
2) No invincibility frames.
What bosses have you done? Have you tried Hilia yet?
I'm not having any trouble bossing whatsoever. Training is extremely easy as well...
Are you sure you're chaining the right skills for training? I use practically every skill aside from the first job shark punch thing.
I can wipe out Evo in like 2 seconds with a 20x HP core using the Thunderbolt and Shark Sweep combo. Monster Park Extreme is also "Extreme"ly easy (lol) with that combo.
If you don't like the skill chaining, play a BaM or Bucc. It's an extremely important part of this class and reduces delay by a ton. With an Extreme Green potion I can whip out Thunderbolts faster than it takes for the numbers to disappear.
This is my favorite class of all time I swear to god. I'm having too much fun.
I tried it out today and the chain attacks are amazing in uneven maps due tithe flexibility. However, in maps such as Evo, it's much easier to just spam the anchor attack than keep I doing a chain. Another chain is the anchor attack, annihilate, thunder, annihilate
I swear, if you wanna chain combos, stick to hayatos and the new dawn warrior .
So much for the OMGZZ chaining combos hype.
Chaining is so stupid.
In the Evo world I haven't used it once.
Nor Have I used many HP pots in Evo.
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I haven't bosses yet. I will start the Silent Crusade quest soon.
thunder or bolt is a skill that lets u move to the boss or mob, TB is made so u have to use many skill chaining one with another so the delay dissapear