General

[quote=SacredSealed]Thats if you know people+connections.
The average unfunded mapler will not cht[/quote]

It's not that hard to get a good alliance. Try being social, it helps a ton.

[quote=sleepyheadXIII]
15%hp from lvl2 kaiser link skill
10%hp from lvl2 cannoneer link skill.[/quote]

How do you even get these "Level 2" skills? I'm stumped in how you level a link skill.

[quote=Samla111]1. new class released
2. basil complains about how OP they are
3. nexon nerfs them
4. basil complains about how unfair it is to nerf them[/quote]

You go Glen Coco!

[quote=TheMagi]@SacredSealed:

If I can do it daily in Renegades, I'm sure it can be done easily in the older servers.[/quote]

Thats if you know people+connections.
The average unfunded mapler will not cht

@SacredSealed:

If I can do it daily in Renegades, I'm sure it can be done easily in the older servers.

[quote=phazechann]Str% doesn't affect avenger at all. He has a beginner skill that ignores the str requirement for warrior equips and his auto assign applies only to HP. Please do more research before talking.[/quote]
Yeah, just realized that
sorry got kinda confused

@TheMagi: Well, you need 12 to enter, and 10 alive for a CHTP.
Is that going to be easy?

@SacredSealed: Again, easier to get than a 10%dex/str/luk/int since the pendant itself is 10%hp clean. It's like comparing getting rex vs a normal 10%stat earring, except on a more funded level. Funding DA is extremely easy compared to everyone else. All these %hps I have listed doesn't even include cubing whatsoever.
A rex earring is like having a clean 10%luk assuming the formulas are the same.
Same goes for the chtp,dom, empress set, and so on.
A clear example is empress;
the 30%bossing, 45atk, and so is nice for all jobs. Since DA relys on %hp and empress gives 30%hp you're getting 30% of your main stat along with 45atk, 30%bossing, and so on while no other job is going to get 30%str/luk/dex/int for free.
Even the two link skills and dark knight card alone is 29%hp total. What other job can get a free 29% to their main stat from link skills?
Plus there's stuff like having willpower which at lvl100 adds 2k hp, or having 3 sets of s rank cards giving over 2k hp as well which is a decent amount.
Funding a DA is extremely easy compared to everyone else.

[quote=SacredSealed]@sleepyheadXIII: But GETTING the dom/chtp is the hard part.
For the average person, hp on those would be hard.[/quote]

Besides the Dom, most of that is easy to get at that point in the game.'

OT: Considering all the power creep lately, Avenger isn't looking that OP, especially in comparison to Burster and Kaiser.

@sleepyheadXIII: But GETTING the dom/chtp is the hard part.
For the average person, hp on those would be hard.

A bit off-topic, but does anybody know how his damage is calculated? I'm seeing a lot of "Well, they can equip Empress equips if they want to", but if STR has no factor in their damage (or only acts as a secondary stat, which still makes it almost negligible), then what's the point of getting such powerful and expensive equips when you can just find other, much cheaper sets that have the same or higher HP bonus? (Unless the reason is the same-- the +45att, +2 skill, and +30% boss damage that all the other classes have their eyes on.)

[quote=xidamex]i thought cannon shooter was.[/quote]

Nope Cannon Shooter had that Barrel skill that hit the whole map :B

@SacredSealed: The job hasn't even come out in the real kms servers, we have half a year or so to get prepared for this job, if can't get 3 simple empress pieces by that time, especially with tempest shop coming being able to help make money, then that's their own fault.
And inflation isn't an excuse for the fact with 2 link skills you already have 25% of your main stat for free, and can just pq for the rex earrings.
Even for the funded stuff you said about chtp,dom pendant, and so on. A 10%dex chtp/dom vs a clean one that already has 10% of your stat since using hp, it's pretty obvious which is cheaper.

[quote=BlackDragon10]What he meant to say was there are not % hp equips out there[/quote]
but %STR still helps them a lot like a normal warrior
so when cubing they get more chances of getting a stat that increases their range
getting 12% 9% 9% STR is really hard
But a combination of the above using HP makes it really easy

Automata comes out next month.
Will he be op? Thief with a lazer whip? Why not.

@sleepyheadXIII: Inflation.
By the time demon avengers come, there will be massive inflation, no doubt.
And who knows, nexon might change him when he comes to gms.

@SacredSealed:
Even for the unfunded high %hp is easy;
50%from your own buffs
25% from the 2 link skills
10% from rex earrings
4% from dark knight card
That's already 89%hp. And if can spring for just 3 pieces of empress equip which is pretty cheap these days that's another 15% for 100% already.
There's also stuff that give a decent amount of +hp(lvl100 willpower giving 2k, 3 s rank character card sets giving 2.1, emp hat and gloves giving over 300, and so on).
Funding this job is extremely easy even without potential.

@und3rknight: can just get a neb if funded enough.

[quote=sleepyheadXIII]%hp isn't that tough to get at all. Just wanna point that out;
50%hp from their own buffs alone
15%hp from lvl2 kaiser link skill
10%hp from lvl2 cannoneer link skill
4%hp from lvl100 dark knight card
30%hp from 7 piece empress set
10%hp from rex earrings
10%hp from chtp
10%hp from dom pendant
40%hp from decent hb.
That's already 179%hp without cubing anything what so ever.
And %att,pdr,bossing still effects them. Only downside is that they use a new weapon which most new jobs have to deal with normally.
Seems like a great class for the unfunded since getting %hp is really easy, all though no clue how it would compare to other jobs higher up, especially since no clue if 1%hp is like 1%stat for other characters or if damage formula is completely different so just gatta wait and see.[/quote]

as far as i know you need to cube to get decent hb unless you buy an item that already has it

[quote=sleepyheadXIII]%hp isn't that tough to get at all. Just wanna point that out;
50%hp from their own buffs alone
15%hp from lvl2 kaiser link skill
10%hp from lvl2 cannoneer link skill
4%hp from lvl100 dark knight card
30%hp from 7 piece empress set
10%hp from rex earrings
10%hp from chtp
10%hp from dom pendant
40%hp from decent hb.
That's already 179%hp without cubing anything what so ever.
And %att,pdr,bossing still effects them. Only downside is that they use a new weapon which most new jobs have to deal with normally.
Seems like a great class for the unfunded since getting %hp is really easy, all though no clue how it would compare to other jobs higher up, especially since no clue if 1%hp is like 1%stat for other characters or if damage formula is completely different so just gatta wait and see.[/quote]

yes, because a CHTP, dom pendant, and 7 set empress are easy to get.

[quote=Dingle]They kinda... rely on HP, not STR, and use a unique weapon/subweapon type. That means that just about all existing potential'd equips don't really matter for them (%STR is useless, they can't use any shields/weapons that have already been cubed for %att/%damage/%boss/%PDR)

They probably have a high damage % on attacks because good gear for them will be comparatively rare compared to other classes; which in turn makes them a better class when unfunded, but a worse class when funded than most other classes.[/quote]
%hp isn't that tough to get at all. Just wanna point that out;
50%hp from their own buffs alone
15%hp from lvl2 kaiser link skill
10%hp from lvl2 cannoneer link skill
4%hp from lvl100 dark knight card
30%hp from 7 piece empress set
10%hp from rex earrings
10%hp from chtp
10%hp from dom pendant
40%hp from decent hb.
That's already 179%hp without cubing anything what so ever.
And %att,pdr,bossing still effects them. Only downside is that they use a new weapon which most new jobs have to deal with normally.
Seems like a great class for the unfunded since getting %hp is really easy, all though no clue how it would compare to other jobs higher up, especially since no clue if 1%hp is like 1%stat for other characters or if damage formula is completely different so just gatta wait and see.

They aren't OP. They are probably the most balanced class nexon has ever made in a first attempt.

1. new class released
2. basil complains about how OP they are
3. nexon nerfs them
4. basil complains about how unfair it is to nerf them

Besides cht pendant and czakum hat along with a dom, rex earrings and something else.

[quote=Dingle]They kinda... rely on HP, not STR, and use a unique weapon/subweapon type. That means that just about all existing potential'd equips don't really matter for them (%STR is useless, they can't use any shields/weapons that have already been cubed for %att/%damage/%boss/%PDR)

They probably have a high damage % on attacks because good gear for them will be comparatively rare compared to other classes; which in turn makes them a better class when unfunded, but a worse class when funded than most other classes.[/quote]

True, but I believe they have a passive skill which basically allows them to use any equipment with a STR requirement, so they could still use an Empress-Set

Im more interested in equips now getting % Hp on them so it will be harder to cube stuff

[quote=KOJOKrew]They get Demon Cry to hit 14 times with Hyper skills... DS comeback anyone?
EDIT: I Play KMS, it's terrible, funded KSing Demonslayers everywhere![/quote]

re getting a comeback, but even then you have to be level 170 for it to do anything significant for you. DA's, on the other hand, are great from the start