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In the perfect scenario (regardless of caring about resale value - only focusing on the BEST possible set), would sweet water be better than cRA even though it is an overall not a top/bottom? I feel like since you can get more % stat potentials on the top and bottom it could possible be better. Or am I wrong? Nobody has directly addressed this, so I thought I might bring it up because I am genuinely curious about it.
Also I would like to point out that fafnirs can be transfused as well, so the fact that he already has a fafnir has nothing to do with which set he should go for.

[quote=Fluxxxxx]Why don't you just psok the tyrants before you transpose, then it's still tradeable once.[/quote]

I made comment that I wasn't aware of this in the response you quoted. Even so resale value and possible clientele base may be hindered by the fact that once [i]they[/i] purchase it then it is finalized.

[quote=PitchBlack0]@Kazzooey: Most of the people using the SW set are those that cannot afford cra+tyrants. Those that can would likely be deterred by the forever untradeable status. Most people do not stick to just one class for the duration of their "maple career". They'll play a class, proceed to get bored with it and move on to whatever seems appealing. For the SW set to become superior would require people to sacrifice something that many people simply cannot afford and that is once again resale value. I agree with you that if tyrants are transposed then SW is clearly the best route to go. However, generally speaking people will not do so. I am speaking in the case that the TS is one of the vast majority and not one of the very select few. Though I have to say I was unaware of what you mentioned about the psok.
@Dawpses the above conversation b/w me and Kazzooey should tell you all you need to know about SW vs CRA.[/quote]

Why don't you just psok the tyrants before you transpose, then it's still tradeable once.

@mark24 thank you for proving my point

I am going to use root abyss. I don't like untradeable.

[quote=Dawpses]if i already have a perfected empress weapon and feel like transposing that, would going sw hat+overall+weapon+gloves and the rest tyrants be okay or stupid? sorry for stealing thread genuinely wanna know if this is dumb and i should just save up for fafnir instead[/quote]

Depends how rich you are. The top+bottom in the RA set can make a huge difference compared to an overall. If you have a large amount of money to spend and are able to get your top/bottom to like +18% and 15ish attack then go for RA, but if you're going to be using mostly 12-15% stuff with decent attack then I would go with SW.

@Kazzooey: Most of the people using the SW set are those that cannot afford cra+tyrants. Those that can would likely be deterred by the forever untradeable status. Most people do not stick to just one class for the duration of their "maple career". They'll play a class, proceed to get bored with it and move on to whatever seems appealing. For the SW set to become superior would require people to sacrifice something that many people simply cannot afford and that is once again resale value. I agree with you that if tyrants are transposed then SW is clearly the best route to go. However, generally speaking people will not do so. I am speaking in the case that the TS is one of the vast majority and not one of the very select few. Though I have to say I was unaware of what you mentioned about the psok.
@Dawpses the above conversation b/w me and Kazzooey should tell you all you need to know about SW vs CRA.

@PitchBlack0: I don't see why they wouldn't? I mean they are in fact considering to do the SW set, a set that is completely untradeable. They would totally do that to a Tyrant equip because they obviously don't plan on reselling. And if they're really questioning if they'll keep or resell, they can just pSoK the equip before transposing it and it will be tradeable until transaction, aka they can sell it/move it once before it really becomes 100% untradeable. Sweet Water IS the superior set no matter what way you look at it. The only people who wouldn't transpose their Tyrant to a SW are people who don't plan to stick to their class. If it's a good tyrant and you plan on playing the class for a long time, then it would be idiotic not to do it.

@mark24 you would not be using tyrants in conjunction with the SW set in most cases. The only time you would is if you fully enhanced your tyrants and transposed them to work accordingly with the SW set. The issue with this is they would be forever untradeable and lose all resale potential. Therefore unless you're planning on doing what was previously mentioned then just stick completely with tyrants+cra.

Tyrants will always net you the best stats because of their Superior status. You can basically make each tyrant a weapon on it's own.
A full Tyrant + cRa set would be better than a SW set, and since you have a weapon, you might as well go with cRa.

I need tyrant regardless though right?

@Kazzooey Close to no one will be willing to fuse their tyrants and so I don't even consider that an option.
@NamesBoreMe Wrong. If your tyrants and cra are fully scrolled and enhanced then they are better than the SW set. To reiterate tyrants+cra>SW set. UNLESS in the very unlikely event that someone wishes to do what was mentioned above.

[quote=PitchBlack0]SW only beats fafnir if you cannot afford tyrants.[/quote]

You do realize you can just fuse the SW + Tyrant right? SW is still the better set other than Dojo Gloves and Untradeability

[quote=NamesBoreMe]If your Tyrants and CRA set are fully scrolled and enhanced, SW set is better.[/quote]

My mind is blown please enlighten me.

[quote=PitchBlack0]SW only beats fafnir if you cannot afford tyrants.[/quote]

If your Tyrants and CRA set are fully scrolled and enhanced, SW set is better.

if you plain going out and upgrading gear

fafnir+ tyrant
if you plain on keeping the set forever (no chance of selling ever to upgrade) SW with tyrant used as base for cape/belt/shoes/gloves
but that req 15enhanced tyrant for best results

now just gotta wait for the rollback...

SW only beats fafnir if you cannot afford tyrants.

If your Fafnir's already done, just go for cRA + Tyrants.