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[quote=ImCrunk]Battlemage have a much more stable range, when i was below cap range i remember having a gap of max 90k between min and max range..
I don't know about evan, i do know fire poison mages are far superior but ill write down my own expiriences.

You will never ever get Rank 1 dojo gloves as a battlemage, it's just not possible. I wanna say i dojo with about 3m range and 280ish boss and i still barely break 6mins.
Training with a 170+ battlemage > any other mage class.

Bosses,
If you ever intend to do hell gollux you can't go solo, you just dont have the skills to do that and take care of spawns, on top of that battlemages will require atleast like 21%+ on every equip slot you have good tyrants and weps in order to even take down the emblem aswell.

Auras are terrible things to have, if you do die you cannot use a buff freezer because they don't work on auras and youll still have to recast them.
For example if you do get to the point you can take down the chaos pierre, and also have buff freezer.
You would spawn in and be on all your buffs but auras and your range will turn out to be 2x as low and youll have no speed and getting in the last hits will be a failure.
Dispite this all, you will have alot of respect because everybody knows you can't just go around taking down every boss in the game as a battlemage xD

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfnRpBWlY8&list=UU-W3R28ugvHDE-I3gi2ReWw]Chaos Queen Solo Kill[/url] This is kinda my best archievement xD

Resistance % is pretty nice on battlemage, max willpower / cygnus links and a resist pot will get you on 100%.

If you have any more questions at all just let me know

I forgot to add Teleport has more range than the one Fire mages have, and your very agile because the hits youll be putting out are in lightning speed xD

Also party shields new addition makes you able to survive ohkos and you can just stand in fire in pierre and any hazard queen put on you under the shield and you won't take dmg at all, this also goes for arkariums ohko skill, it won't affect you under the shield.[/quote]

thanks. I guess if I get strong enough for some of these things to become a problem I can just xfer to an evan or fp. I am playing bam atm.

Evan > F/P
BaM > F/P
Nuff said

Battlemage have a much more stable range, when i was below cap range i remember having a gap of max 90k between min and max range..
I don't know about evan, i do know fire poison mages are far superior but ill write down my own expiriences.

You will never ever get Rank 1 dojo gloves as a battlemage, it's just not possible. I wanna say i dojo with about 3m range and 280ish boss and i still barely break 6mins.
Training with a 170+ battlemage > any other mage class.

Bosses,
If you ever intend to do hell gollux you can't go solo, you just dont have the skills to do that and take care of spawns, on top of that battlemages will require atleast like 21%+ on every equip slot you have good tyrants and weps in order to even take down the emblem aswell.

Auras are terrible things to have, if you do die you cannot use a buff freezer because they don't work on auras and youll still have to recast them.
For example if you do get to the point you can take down the chaos pierre, and also have buff freezer.
You would spawn in and be on all your buffs but auras and your range will turn out to be 2x as low and youll have no speed and getting in the last hits will be a failure.
Dispite this all, you will have alot of respect because everybody knows you can't just go around taking down every boss in the game as a battlemage xD

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfnRpBWlY8&list=UU-W3R28ugvHDE-I3gi2ReWw]Chaos Queen Solo Kill[/url] This is kinda my best archievement xD

Resistance % is pretty nice on battlemage, max willpower / cygnus links and a resist pot will get you on 100%.

If you have any more questions at all just let me know

I forgot to add Teleport has more range than the one Fire mages have, and your very agile because the hits youll be putting out are in lightning speed xD

Also party shields new addition makes you able to survive ohkos and you can just stand in fire in pierre and any hazard queen put on you under the shield and you won't take dmg at all, this also goes for arkariums ohko skill, it won't affect you under the shield.

Well let's put it this way. I have the same gear on my Evan and BaM. My BaM has slightly more buffed range, but with Evan's 30% dmg hyper it would be higher. And yes, illusion affected by elemental reset, if not then no evans would use illusion to boss right ? i can guarantee that. About the dps, it's just the bosses do not move. And they mostly move, then illusion would be good because its fast to dodge as well. Trust me

bam will have higher range if you equip the same items but as for boss dmg and faster boss solo, just go for Evan.

[quote=SorLilly]Well when I have the same gear on 3 of them. My evan has the fastest solo time, then follow by F/P then BaM. Because for one thing, BaMs do not have elemental reset, otherwise it would be a bit faster than my F/P. I believe Evans have a lot of passive magic attacks like Magic Amplification, maybe same with F/P and I/L, but other than that I have no idea why my Evans still hit a lot, not sure because of Dragon Fury which gives 35% magic attack. But F/Ps have arcane aim ( 40% dmg increased ? ) and infinity ( Idk how much you may know this since I/Ls also have, it says increase M.ATK 10% every 4 sec for 40, so that's like 100% WOW o.o or I could be wrong idk -.- ) and Evan has Dragon Fury 35% dmg, Phantom Imprint 20%, with Hyper 30% dmg = 85% dmg total increased that I've seen so far ) Other than all of the above, i don't know why my Evan still stronger, but I've seen a F/P with 500k buffs and when he uses Infinity he hits like 50m crits ... just too much ... with low funds Evan are okay but when with high fund, F/Ps are superior. But I believe with 1m ~ 1.5m range, illusion might win because it hits much faster.[/quote]

I am not really looking at fp anymore. evan has 85% magic att and bam has 145% total dmg against boss monster. evan has elemental reset but I am not sure if it affects illusion because I think illusion might do physical dmg. also according to these dps charts bam and fp have much higher %dmg per second and dps than evan.

Look at the hyper skill>fast 2 numbers for evan and bam.

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=49311&title=Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil)

I hear a lot of people say evan is strong and bam sucks because of the high numbers it hits but I do not think people realize that the dmg you are dealing is all the lines added up. I know evan is strong but I have not heard from anyone who actually knows bam well.

@jerry5000 this is what im talking about... trying to find people who actually know the classes -___-

evan> f/p. illusion omg too op. bam is poop, bam=worst mage

Well when I have the same gear on 3 of them. My evan has the fastest solo time, then follow by F/P then BaM. Because for one thing, BaMs do not have elemental reset, otherwise it would be a bit faster than my F/P. I believe Evans have a lot of passive magic attacks like Magic Amplification, maybe same with F/P and I/L, but other than that I have no idea why my Evans still hit a lot, not sure because of Dragon Fury which gives 35% magic attack. But F/Ps have arcane aim ( 40% dmg increased ? ) and infinity ( Idk how much you may know this since I/Ls also have, it says increase M.ATK 10% every 4 sec for 40, so that's like 100% WOW o.o or I could be wrong idk -.- ) and Evan has Dragon Fury 35% dmg, Phantom Imprint 20%, with Hyper 30% dmg = 85% dmg total increased that I've seen so far ) Other than all of the above, i don't know why my Evan still stronger, but I've seen a F/P with 500k buffs and when he uses Infinity he hits like 50m crits ... just too much ... with low funds Evan are okay but when with high fund, F/Ps are superior. But I believe with 1m ~ 1.5m range, illusion might win because it hits much faster.

[quote=SorLilly]Evans, I believe you get high damage constantly. Like my Evan hits twice as much as my lumi and bam with the same range crazy I don't know what on earth are those hidden factors that help them that much ... magic amplification and dragon fury maybe ?
F/P, however, you need to stack DoTs so it would take a bit of time. Unstable insanely high damage ... infinity + arcane aim crazy o.o o.o but if u can cap with mist eruption then I believe Evans might be better with their illusion as 1m range because since then mist eruption would already cap but it is slow, plus paralyze is not that strong if you have only 1m range. So ...[/quote]

Is your even killing bosses faster than your bam with the same gear, or is it just doing higher numbers with fewer hits? I am just looking at evan and bam now.

[quote=JVIaplevoyager]I have a feeling you've never played F/P long enough to understand all of its skills. Inferno aura ignores DR and teleport mastery is not used and can be easily turned off against bosses with DR. Also, the TS specified no more than 1m range, but you can't or will have have a very hard time capping with mist eruption with that kind of range.[/quote]

After this last patch, 1m is more than enough to consistently cap with crits so long as you're a decent level with a decent amount of %boss.

[quote=SirKibbleX2]I'd go with Evan or BaM as F/P can reach the cap pretty easily with mist erupt which wouldn't be a good thing for someone who has a very high range. F/P's DoT can go a long way, but that Hyper Skill aura and teleport mastery will kill you once a boss puts up DR.

I only tried Evan until lv60 so all I can say is Evan has some very impressive attack speed.

BaM too has great attack speed but only if you buff yourself enough (green potion, SI). If you're gonna party with people though you're gonna lose like 10k range(This is in my case with is a small 90k range) and 2 attack speed (and some dmg absorb ,dodge %) because everyone's gonna want your auras and you can't share Grand Light Aura.[/quote]

I have a feeling you've never played F/P long enough to understand all of its skills. Inferno aura ignores DR and teleport mastery is not used and can be easily turned off against bosses with DR. Also, the TS specified no more than 1m range, but you can't or will have have a very hard time capping with mist eruption with that kind of range.

not evan close

Evans, I believe you get high damage constantly. Like my Evan hits twice as much as my lumi and bam with the same range crazy I don't know what on earth are those hidden factors that help them that much ... magic amplification and dragon fury maybe ?
F/P, however, you need to stack DoTs so it would take a bit of time. Unstable insanely high damage ... infinity + arcane aim crazy o.o o.o but if u can cap with mist eruption then I believe Evans might be better with their illusion as 1m range because since then mist eruption would already cap but it is slow, plus paralyze is not that strong if you have only 1m range. So ...

[quote=Staaaarbucks]I'd go with Evan. Evan's are a great mobbing class, so is F/P, but Evan has a lot of long ranged skills, and illusion, the bossing skill, just got revamped a little with +30% damage to bosses, so they are great bossers too. F/P are also a great mobbing class, and BaM's are fast, and good at both- ish.

Don't judge me if I am wrong.[/quote]

+1 for you! EVANS WOOHOO <3

I'd go with Evan. Evan's are a great mobbing class, so is F/P, but Evan has a lot of long ranged skills, and illusion, the bossing skill, just got revamped a little with +30% damage to bosses, so they are great bossers too. F/P are also a great mobbing class, and BaM's are fast, and good at both- ish.

Don't judge me if I am wrong.