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[quote=Green4EVER]This is hilarious.[/quote]

I know you want to say something. Go for it, I wont stop you.
Just a heads up though, I'm referring to unfunded mages, as this is the category most people fit in.

[quote=MuffinsINC]B) Evans are basically the magician gods, there's not much topping them.[/quote]

This is hilarious.

A) Blaze wizards aren't too powerful really.
B) Evans are basically the magician gods, there's not much topping them.

[quote=Ouhai]Also, anyone think that the Onyx Dragon Hyper skill for Evans would have been better if it wasn't a summon but instead an "overcharge" to Mir, making him temporarily stronger, bigger, and faster. Also while he was like that, he could extend the damage cap of illusion by a larger amount[/quote]
Wouldn't have been [i]that[/i] useful. What Evans really needed was a "spammable" (with respect to how spammable Hyper skills are) skill and just better reinforcement skills. Illusion - Reinforce should have been one more hit and there should have been Hyper skills for Dragon Spark, not Dark Fog (since I'm pretty sure no matter what it's not even adding DPS to use it even with Hyper skills since it's so slow).

Evans are pretty darn powerful unfunded, mainly because they've got more damage/magic attack increasing stuff, higher % damage skills, and incredibly fast than the rest of the mages. Plus Blaze Wizards are pretty weakish too

Also, anyone think that the Onyx Dragon Hyper skill for Evans would have been better if it wasn't a summon but instead an "overcharge" to Mir, making him temporarily stronger, bigger, and faster. Also while he was like that, he could extend the damage cap of illusion by a larger amount

@justsofly: thats on bosses though, normal monsters don't have the high %pdr that bosses usually do =

@Momijii: Yea, I feel bad for evans after hypers

[quote=Deadly1337]bishops and evans require VERY little funding to hit max. my bishop has just under 30k range buffed, if i rose that to 45/50k i'd hit max occasionally[/quote]

Very little funding? I'd rephrase that about evans if I were you. I have a 76k range with rank 2-10 dojo gloves on and I can't cap consistently on bosses with imprint, and some I can't even cap without imprint at all. I doubt a 45k range would be enough to cap on a bishop unless you're factoring in Infinity.

OT: Evans are in fact the strongest mage, unfunded. The sheer speed and damage output is unrivaled if all mages had similar-low funding. Though we start to average out when the amount of funding dished in increases. (limited by hit count)

@Momijii I believe it's fact that Evan's got the worst hyper skills of all the mages. Though IMO Evan's got the worst hyper skills out of everyone. That summon's animation was awesome and all but it's minor compared to all other job's counterpart hyper skills.

[quote=j1mm13valadez]Yes cheaper, but limited by cap. I wonder whos going to pwn after hypers, bams look pretty amazing having a 12 sec zak solo and a 2 min 30 sec czak solo.(sliding off topic lol)[/quote]
Probably Battle Mages or F/P. Evan got, at least in my opinion, the worst Hyper skills of all the Mages.

@Momijii: Yes cheaper, but limited by cap. I wonder whos going to pwn after hypers, bams look pretty amazing having a 12 sec zak solo and a 2 min 30 sec czak solo.(sliding off topic lol)

bishops and evans require VERY little funding to hit max. my bishop has just under 30k range buffed, if i rose that to 45/50k i'd hit max occasionally

[quote=j1mm13valadez]@Momijii: Nono, I'll get you the exact cast speeds, Arc mages can use si, it gives them a speed boost.. i'm 100% certin that c/l hits faster than[/quote]
It's faster, I just checked. I forgot about decent SI, bluh. I would still say Evans are better anyways since they're cheaper by a lot than AMs. (They wouldn't be nearly as far behind had they not gotten crap for Hyper skills.)

@Momijii: Nono, I'll get you the exact cast speeds, Arc mages can use si, it gives them a speed boost.. i'm 100% certin that c/l hits faster than

@AmpedTesla: actually it isn't that hard to hit cap on a bishop either. In terms of difficulty to hit cap its: F/p mage( with mist), Evan, Bishop,(Fp mage with paralyze is the same as an i/l with c/l) I/l, Bam

I have every single mage to 200 with the exception of an i/l and I've tested this first hand.

[quote=j1mm13valadez]Evans are 2nd to last in dps in Gms now with funding taken into consideration. Strong yes, but extremely limited by the damage cap.

Battle Mage.> Arc Mages.>Evan.>Bishop[/quote]
Evan is second to Battle Mage, until Hyper skills come at least. While Illusion is only four hits, it's faster than both Chain Lightning and Paralyze. It's just so unfortunate that Evans got crap for Hyper skills.

That's why I quit my blaze wizard at level 11 and left it in windia

Fire strike is balls

[quote=Arcana27961]Cygnus Knights were probably OP at their level when they first came out, but now they're incredibly weak compared to the other classes. A BW's Fire Strike is weaker than an F/P's Fire Demon but requires 20 more SP to master. All BWs have over 3rd job mages is the ability to summon Ifrit and use Meteor Shower, and those skills aren't really that great.

Being a Hero class doesn't necessarily mean it will be stronger than any other classes. Evans are currently one of the weakest mages in KMS...[/quote]

Evans are 2nd to last in dps in Gms now with funding taken into consideration. Strong yes, but extremely limited by the damage cap.

Battle Mage.> Arc Mages.>Evan.>Bishop

Cygnus Knights were probably OP at their level when they first came out, but now they're incredibly weak compared to the other classes. A BW's Fire Strike is weaker than an F/P's Fire Demon but requires 20 more SP to master. All BWs have over 3rd job mages is the ability to summon Ifrit and use Meteor Shower, and those skills aren't really that great.

Being a Hero class doesn't necessarily mean it will be stronger than any other classes. Evans are currently one of the weakest mages in KMS...

I thought Cygnus Knights were supposed to be sort of OP as well, for their level. Even if Evan is stronger because it's a 'Hero' class I didn't think there would be such a difference in power lol.

The general consensus seems to be that this is normal though, so thanks guys.

Evans are 'overpowered', and Blaze Wizards are Cygnus Knights. What did you expect, really?