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One time I got stuck between two Battle Mages. Both were using their attack that pulls people back and forth. When being pulled you go into some sort of cooldown, like that moment after you use Shadow Partner, unable to do anything. So they can just keep doing that. If they can get all the people in between them, then it's all over.

Snipers with their freezing attack bugs me, since it mobs and freezes practically(?) 100% of the time? I've yet to see it [i]not[/i] freeze at least. A sniper can comfortably sit in a corner and hold down that attack, and it also comes out faster than any of my attacks could ever dream of.

As an Aran my attacks are based on directional inputs and consecutive use. The delays make the attacks generally useless themselves, though I've heard that for fourth job Arans the Final Toss attack is pretty decent. Of course, because of the Aran's heavy reliance on directional inputs, that debuff that reverses keys really screws us over.

Band of Thieves also seems to have no cooldown and is the easiest attack to KS with, since it hits EVERYWHERE. Unless there's some kind of hack for them, it's ridiculous that a chief bandit can consistently score 3000+ in Free For All by just holding down their Band of Thieves attack.

PvP usually requires "skill" but Maple's version is... anything but. Simply abuse your ability to freeze or stun or whatever, or hack. This is the [i]only[/i] game I've had hacker problems with [b]in PvP[/b]. I don't understand the idea behind the attack delays and whatnot, when in World of Warcraft PvP flows just the same as PvE and is "perfectly balanced" (from time to time classes are nerfed/buffed for both PvP and PvE reasons but they're ultimately balanced), and requires a good knowledge of the class you're playing as well as "skill" with the class. No one is spamming one move in a corner and then running away. But then again, not all PvP systems need to be like WoW, they don't need to be fun and engaging. Maple's can just remain sub-par and stomping grounds for hackers I guess.

I'm sorry, but I don't think BoT or movement skills are unfair. Our class has those skills, we should be able to use them as we please. Warriors have higher HP and will hit harder than a thief. I think I should be able to FJ around if I so wish.
Skills are what makes a class special. If you take away those skills, there isn't a point to PVP. Let's all just stand in a circle and hit each other with a pig herding stick. How does that sound? Boring, that's how it sounds. Classes are unique. Skills are unique. Keep it that way.

[quote=ricesouja]It's called Character Control. Learn2play. QQ[/quote]

Exactly. PVP is good as it is. Everyone is complaining about mobility and what not, if you can't catch the person find someone else instead of wasting time on that one person. Just play the damn game. I don't see a problem with PVP... maybe you people just SUCK. As an I/L I have to spam thunderbolt... TUNDERBOLT and I still get the job done. I've seen plenty of warriors get first and archers as well. Pirates do okay at times, but they're progress depends on their lag. Mages and thieves have enough to deal with... you people think we're top dogs in PVP o.o

teleport and flash jump
if their able to do why can others?
i mean everyone else but mage and thieves tele/flash jump
while others have to walk slowly or fast

if you do way better then everyone else your automatically a hacker

[quote=Andre3006]Lmao not only just mobs but 1v1 too. Strafe is a sorry excuse for Hurricane, which is a sorry excuse for our only 4th job attack in PvP.

Dragon Pulse does not count.[/quote]

hah. which is why i never use strafe in PvP. i think inferno is better than strafe - 1v1 and against mobs.

@NightCodex: Well, fair enough. lol

yo I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish--but PvP had one of the best videos of all time! One of the best videos of all time!

Flash jump
Teleport
BoT
Dark Sight (this specially, i hate when you are gonna kill a DB or a CB they use flash jump and DS)

How warriors have high hp...

well, thats not rlly a flaw LOL

[quote=iceychill2]people say rangers/bms should have a cooldown on inferno? well then wtf are we supposed to do for mobs?[/quote]
Sit still as us NLs mow everyone over with Avenger. xD

I like PVP the way it is. AMs have it easier than many, if not most, jobs when it comes to racking up points, but it gives me a challenge in trying to keep up and overcome. xD

people say rangers/bms should have a cooldown on inferno? well then wtf are we supposed to do for mobs?

Maybe its lag but my CB attacks slow like spearman slow>.<

In PvP on my WK ground smash (2nd job skill) is stronger and faster than charged blow (3rd job skill)... makes no sense. Also, ranged classes with high mobility/mobbing have a HUGE advantage -cough- sins -cough-

Edit: Ranger's inferno needs a cooldown really bad.
Edit2: Mage tele also needs a cooldown.
Edit3: and flash jump.

Kk, I'm done

Edit4: nvm, shark wave, too

It needs an assist-kill function o.o

HEAL COOLDOWN, duh xp

@nickachu06: Actualy it does, definition of enemy : Definition: One hostile to another; one who hates, and desires or attempts the injury of, another; a foe; an adversary; as, an enemy of or to a person; an enemy to truth, or to falsehood.

wich means the opposite side, why would ya hurt a friend, when you want to hurt a friend that means he is on the opposite side ...
btw, im not made or anything, just trying to convince you in a friendly way

Dragon Blinks for Evans

They get tele and a wussy move that teles them away from you at the last second when you're about to kill em.The worst part is they end up dying anyways to someone else >,> IMO they should have tele or dragon blink,not both

@NightCodex: Why thank you, Sherlock.
Like I said, enemy doesn't always refer to the opposing side. Also, why are why fighting over the correct term? As long as you get the same idea, anyways.

@nickachu06: VS means you are fighting them. this means you are fighting another person, making the other person you enemy

Biggest Flaw to me -> KSing. Even though I do my fair share of ksing, the amount of points gained from just hitting them, isn't enough to compensate when your target runs away and gets killed.

Oh, and for the 70+ tier with 120+ people in it.

You're going to be wrecked if the person has the level 130 pvp set.
Think about it. 70-119 can't have the bonus from that set. More battle att.

The message "Get an additional 50% of your score" means you only get half as much, not you get 50% more right? Did Nexon miswrite the description again?

@NightCodex: Well, I did say both. Besides, not everyone you PvP is your enemy. You don't [b]have[/b] to fight an enemy. You can fight a friend or a rival, but that doesn't automaticly make them your enemy.

[quote=nickachu06]PvE = Player Versus Enemies or Player Versus Environment.[/quote]

PvE = Player VS enviroment not Player VS enemy.
WHen you are fighting someone he is automaticly your enemy.
So when you are stating that PVE + player vs enemy that makes you state the obvious. It's not like he is fighting a friend, since that is technicly impossible, cause the other party you are fighting is an enemy.
It's like stating that you talk with your mouth, or that there is water in the sea.

[quote=Synco]Not all of your points come from KO's.[/quote]

People without fast, point-racking skills rely on kills for points.
And a person who walks around and kill-steals every single kill is obviously going to be in the top 3.

You can't dodge nor block attacks
Maplestory + PvP = total failure

sairs cant use recoil but theifs can use flash jump

[quote=MrRudy]Have you used Barrage in PVP? 50% chance that you won't hit the person who's stand in front of you and not even moving.[/quote] Barrage is useless and ineffective in PvP. It's better to spam dragon strike since the range is better or sharkwave if you're a UA. Demolition is used to finish of opponents since it has high critical hits. Transformation seems to slow down moves but makes it stronger. It's all skill for a Bucc no luck at all.

[quote=gible1235]REALLY? barage will really attack a ghost? o.o
btw what is PVE?[/quote]

PvE = Player Versus Enemies or Player Versus Environment.

Broken Y axis for crossbows, I don't know about bows though.

[quote=WonderWaffleNin]Well I just hate the Buccs that constantly push me off platforms and the skill where DBs get you with a chain(?) and just proceeds to slice you into sushi while you just stand there.[/quote]
You can attack them while they are doing the slice part

[quote=StompEmInDaNutz]lol using barrage whenver u want = flaw?

That means your just unskilled, ur suppose to use it whenver u wan,t its more control. Its like taking off AUTO AIM in fps games.

Just because u misjudge when to use barrage doesn't mean its a flaw, its ur lack of skill.

Also, some classes NEED mobility movement with no delay. Not mages though. Thieves have too weak of hp to just stand their and get hit. SO they need it.[/quote]

Have you used Barrage in PVP? 50% chance that you won't hit the person who's standing in front of you and not even moving.

Dark Sight - Invincible, cannot be hit, cannot hit others

KILL-STEALING <- Worst flaw yet, you must admit that

REALLY? barage will really attack a ghost? o.o
btw what is PVE?

FFA certainly favors a select few classes.

Teams though I believe has a place for everyone.

Shark wave spamming
unlimited BoT CB
and Shining ray spamming