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wait... [b]YOUR SAYING THIS NOW?[/b]

[quote=hhg22]You're more stupid, us has a big but weak economy.[/quote]

Your so retarded, look up the data and statistics before you immediately label people. Do you know how an economy is labeled as strong or weak? Just because we are in a recession now DOES NOT MEAN THE REST OF THE WORLD ISNT EITHER... The common fallacy that you must be thinking of is that China owns most our debt? They own maybe up to 10% of it, the private sector owns most of the debt. Just because you think your right doesn't mean you are, study up, because at this rate the rest of the world will take our space at the top because of people like you.

[quote=shortmech]dupers needa go back to high school and take their economy class[/quote]

Thing is they're all in elementary scheeewl

[quote=KingsGlory]@shairn: read what falling grain said he says it better.
@fallingrain: OHHHH okay good point. You articulated what i was trying to say in a much better way and for that I thank you. No sarcasm what so ever.[/quote]

I did. I see how the accumulation of the wealth can be a problem, but that will happen whether duping is present or not. It's an inherent problem in any system using currency. Not enough sinks for the currency to be pumped out of.

@shairn: read what falling grain said he says it better.
@fallingrain: OHHHH okay good point. You articulated what i was trying to say in a much better way and for that I thank you. No sarcasm what so ever.

the maple economy is like the real economy- they are both broken too much to be fixed...

@CataiystOne: I'm not sure you should be the one saying that. I put out arguments and discussed it. You called me a troll and left it at that.
If you're not going to be constructive about this, why do you bother posting?

@shairn: And I'm sure if YOU knew how the economy works, you wouldn't think duping is beneficial to the market.

Take your head out your ass and understand the situation. THEN come back to me.

[quote=LegendaryNee]the economy is already messed up, with protection scrolls + other things are being duped, we might have a rollback[/quote]

heeeeeeerreee we go again

more people who messed up on gach/scrolling/etc who want rollback

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

KMS is MUCH better. KMs is the best ever. Every world in kms is like windia/bera. And not noob wise, i mean full capacity. Youll always have friends. KMS has a channel only users above the age of 18 can go to. Users under the age of 18 will be automatically kicked from the gamer after 10:00.

The economy? It's great. Perma nx! No hacks/dupes.

it's twice as good. Nexon isnt even trying on their game.

[quote=Demonzu]If you knew how the global economy worked you would know the United States economy affects the rest of the world. Hence the reason we spent billions bailing out europe so our economy doesn't collapse as well. 'kid'[/quote]

yes and thats why U.S have to start wars here and there (e.g. Libya) so that anyone having a new idea for world currency cant succeed and pick some oil while theyre at it. the only reason us is still in the game is because of that. it will kapoff soon

[quote=hhg22]You're more stupid, us has a big but weak economy.[/quote]

Actually she is right, we still are the strongest... However we are MUCH closer to the other top 5 (china,UK,Japan,etc.) in debt/profit and drooping more and more down to their level.

[quote=adapolski]Don't call her stupid she is correct, look it up. America's economy is at least 2x stronger than the 2nd place economy, that being China, and roughly 15x stronger than South Korea's.[/quote]
You're more stupid, us has a big but weak economy.

[quote=DKamui]there are two main reasons for this:

1- FM is full of merchanters. 9 out of 10 spammers (excluding advertising bots) in entrance are merchanting something.
2- Dupers are making the market aim for a certain set of must-haves. Selling everything else seems to be useless. This happens for ANY WG that isn't 10att u/all, ANY scrolls that aren't 20%, 50% or 100% (GM), White Scrolls and Protection Scrolls. The market wants these, and so the merchanters. Only a small amount of the community still looking for regular, "legit" items, this is why we're all having trouble to sell them.[/quote]

^ Number 2 sound about right anything that not dupe for the most part wont sell really EX= why buy a 1h+shield combo when you can buy a 596atk ST for half

[quote=Le4feon]considering 95% of them are Chinese this is what high school would be teaching them[/quote]

i would like to shake ur hand sir

OT: you are really late with this, the economy of maple has sucked since about 4 months ago when duping was just starting to get out of hand

i don't mind the economy on a game
what i do mind is real stuff like my paycheck
Now that's a real economic issue for me.

@CataiystOne: I'm sure that if you understood how an economy works you would have something constructive to say instead of just trollcalling.

[quote=shairn]Duping doesn't mess up the economy... it makes it better.
Lower prices = better economy, not the other way around.[/quote]

4/10.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

I almost died laughing. US has a GOOD economy? Lmfao. Watched the news in the past 4 years kid?

[quote=Torq]you kidding me? Some duping is fine but not tons and tons of duping. More of an item means tons of deflation thus meaning virtually no market. There be no such thing as valuable equips anymore since everyone would have one. It is nice having some cheap stuff but too much isn't a good thing.[/quote]

But nothin is cheap o.o you either merch A LOT, buy lots of NX, hack, or you're screwed in Maple's economics.

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

Uhm. What?
No, it doesn't have the best economy in the world, in fact the US is in one of it's worst economic periods in a long time.
What the hell?

Anyways, it's always funny to see people blaming Nexon for not fixing dupes and anything.
The economy is 100% player-run.
If anyone is to blame for the economy, it's players.

The only way Nexon affects the economy is when some sort of rare item gets more common due to events, like enhancement scrolls and pot scrolls.

@LegumesAreBeans: Yes, the value goes down.
Why is it that you consider the fact that there is an abundance of a particularly demanded item a bad thing?

[quote=xl3andita006]US = terrible economy
GMS = terrible economy
I wonder what KMS would be like[/quote]
Kms is unbevilable stable. I bought a pendent that gives +24 W.Att and +25 M.Att for 1.2m. I could have bought the same item with 3 lines and + 11 dex but it would have been 2.1 m. I only have 3 mill so I have to ration it out. It's a great place! I don't even lag.

lol yes you are right,making good buy and sells is hard. But everything worth doing is hard.

[quote=hhg22]You're stupid, the economy sucks.[/quote]

Don't call her stupid she is correct, look it up. America's economy is at least 2x stronger than the 2nd place economy, that being China, and roughly 15x stronger than South Korea's.

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

Do you take history classes?

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

Your stupidity amuses me.

@KingsGlory: You know I could put "monsters" instead of "items" and stick "experience points" where applicable and I'd have an argument on why adding more mobs in a map doesn't give more experience points. But it's not a valid argument because I completely changed what is being debated. There is a clear difference between the goods and the currency, and while pumping currency doesn't necessarily help and can actually harm, when you have more goods in circulation it will only be beneficial to the consumer.

@shairn: Pumping more ITEMS into the economy is a Keynesian economics theory thought of to be a good way to improve the economy. In theory by adding ITEMS into the economy it is suppose to increase consumer buying which in turn increases production creating a cycle of more jobs for people and those people now making money therefore buying more things. By pumping more ITEMS into the economy the value of the ITEMS is decreasing because the more ITEMS added equates to more debt. Also THE ITEMS that are being pumped into the economy when sold, the profits aren't being used in the economy. This means that the money made to improve the economy is actually leaving the economy and being poured into foreign investments.

the chiz in CAPS is the words changed.

[quote=Shadowlilnk]I couldn't agree with you more DKaumi,@shairn,duping means more items which means less demand,if everyone has a 596att stonetooth then how much would it be to sell in fm? answer 1 meso.Umperor MancakesXD and JDF81 have stated the facts about this.

Dupers only care about making money,not the economy and certainly not about you or me,@LegendHarbor,everything in the game has a meso value,and the meso value is in the items of the game,you should know that,because items are worth money and it takes money to buy items,real or pixelated,there is still value regardless if its virtual.[/quote]

Isn't being able to buy an incredibly strong weapon for nearly nothing a good thing?
Bigger numbers aren't necessarily a good thing, and in terms of the general value of things, it almost never is.

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

Thats right! Just because the US is so in debt to China that they could move in at any time and declare ownership must mean the US has the best economy!

real life economy doesnt mix with game economy -.-"

I couldn't agree with you more DKaumi,@shairn,duping means more items which means less demand,if everyone has a 596att stonetooth then how much would it be to sell in fm? answer 1 meso.Umperor MancakesXD and JDF81 have stated the facts about this.

Dupers only care about making money,not the economy and certainly not about you or me,@LegendHarbor,everything in the game has a meso value,and the meso value is in the items of the game,you should know that,because items are worth money and it takes money to buy items,real or pixelated,there is still value regardless if its virtual.

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

you must be joking.

Maple's economy and the U.S economy are both screwed because of different reasons but similarities can be seen.

The GFC brought on by the subprime mortgage crisis and Nexon failing to move to prevent dupers and hackers = pathetic regulation by *U.S Watchdogs and Nexon Staff*

Now when its bad, U.S injects funds into the economy, trying to restore confidence in investors and get the economy moving, just like European countries with the debt crisis;

that's the right thing to do but unfortunately no investor confidence increases.

Nexon's ONLY movement to curb inflation and the weakening of the meso was the tax system. Easily Abused. Also letting each world have a "free market", so no regulation = screwed up economy

[quote=MSVeteran05]if it doesnt mess up the economy explain how noobs cant afford anything or how godly items are left in the shadows?
infact id take advantage of this now to be honest cause once the economy is fixed only the legits who didnt support the dupers will be rich[/quote]

You know, I started all my characters from scratch and never spent a dime on NX to make meso(I have bought NX, but only for hair style and clothes). I'm essentially poor, as I only have about 5mil in all my characters. I have an alright range of 11k and am using the crafting system and PVP to my advantage to gain a substantial amount of meso in the future. I can't afford to scroll godly equipment, I can't afford to buy godly equipment. I can however make my own using events, time and dedication.

There is nothing you can't do if you're patient.

[quote=ibrahim65432]Considering US has best economy in the whole world so far I think KMS is worse.[/quote]

You're stupid, the economy sucks.

@KingsGlory: But you're not telling me which words to switch around. If you can't explain your point clearly don't bother trying to make one.

@shairn: Again at the end I said switch some words around and it applies to maple. OMG you didnt read.

[quote=GstyleAlex]Mesos dont have a value, there is nothing that backs it up. Money or dollars are backed up by gold. What are mesos back up by? nothing. It won't matter if everyone had a billion mesos in maplestory because the price of stuff can rise in less then minute. Ms Economy has nothing to do with the complication of a real world economy because we live in a virtual world when there is no money we can easily make. There are no " jobs " that we take to earn money it is simple Find, buy or sell market which does not actually matter on " economy". we can compare to real world economy. There are No banks that loans you mesos. There are No gold that backs up Mesos. There are no third party people who actually MAKE you a scroll ( crafting does not count because there are unlimited ores and unlimited crafting ). So what we do actually can not mess up anything.[/quote]

Well a lot of people rely on the prices of 10atks. Would that be equivalent to gold irl?

I just think people need to stop pointing fingers, because in some way the same people who complain about the hackers are supporting them by buying those scrolls, or vss or what ever.
You'd be the same people qqing if they just deleted the items as a whole like ems did certain things.
Just taking nexon for granted so everyones to blame for the economy of ms because we all just take things for granted even when knowing the harsh consequences.
Because nexon never put their foot down, and start being more agressive.

[quote=shairn]Duping doesn't mess up the economy... it makes it better.
Lower prices = better economy, not the other way around.[/quote]
if it doesnt mess up the economy explain how noobs cant afford anything or how godly items are left in the shadows?
infact id take advantage of this now to be honest cause once the economy is fixed only the legits who didnt support the dupers will be rich

I wonder what would happen if everyone bocotted the fm and dupers and made their own things....

just kidding we know that wont ever happen. EVER

[quote=Kommie]It's Nexon's own fault for being so lazy and not fixing the duping glitch the second it was released.[/quote]

I'm sorry. Do you program? Do you have any idea how [b][censor][/b]ing hard it can be? No? Okay then. Either learn and send a patch fix to Wizet or just shut up. No one is lazy. It takes a LOT of time to debug, test, program and make sure everything goes smoothly without any technical errors.

Wizet works as fast as it can with their limited staff who are hired and try to accommodate the Global World.

@Valentino: All meso is good for is getting items, so isn't needing less a good thing?

[quote=shairn]@Torq: So, everything being avilable to everyone isn't a good thing?[/quote]

Not when you start with nothing and gain nothing.

@CatchATrain: The value of a currency is decided by how much of it takes to get by. If everything becomes cheaper, it takes less of the currency to get by and therefor it's worth more.

@explainabrag: That's a point I hadn't thought of. I had originally figured it was just for trading NX.

[quote=shortmech]dupers needa go back to high school and take their economy class[/quote]

Statement of the Year . and trust i have thought alot of things about dupers but you... you win <3

i mean ok you can dupe but atleast make it proffitable for all even if it takes time ppl will buy at that price since its the only price..

@jdf8: "rich" people have less of an extent to go to to achieve the same as anybody else. The problem in the economy is not the actual amount of people have, it's the [i]difference[/i] in meso between people. So simply cutting it all down won't solva a thing, except numbers will be smaller. What we need is as you said, a meso sink.

@Torq: So, everything being avilable to everyone isn't a good thing?

@KingsGlory: I did read it. And there is no additional meso being added into the economy by dupers, just items. More supply = lower prices = more buying = better economy.

The economy is messed up for the poor players.

People who spend their time merching have most likely found the flow to how dupers manipulate the economy, so it makes it easier for small-time merchers like me make billions.