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Godammit guys, how old are we? Why are we seriously going to argue for 9+ pages about a freaking vs thread?

[quote=newrichboy]
@Darkness129 Omg. I can't believe I read that. I'll tell you this one more time. Make sure you read this as slow as possible so that your brain can process the information.
The way you are imagining Superman fighting (which I'm assuming is like some Super d-bag who doesn't give a crap that goes around at 100% beast mode all the time) is not how Superman fights or acts. What? Can it be? You are actually thinking about this all wrong? Yes, yes it's true. I'm sorry to break the news but Superman is actually a really nice guy who hates killing/hurting people and just wants happy conclusions to everything. He has this thing called morality and it's what powers him down essentially. So it does matter if he would use it or not. So in a fight against Luffy, he would never, ever, ever, ever (remember, this is good ol' Superman; not evil, immoral Superman - which there probably is) attempt to kill Luffy or do anything that would. So the question is, what would he do? Fly around, Heat vision, punch, which, as I've stated before, wouldn't affect Luffy. And because Luffy can't beat Superman, the battle pretty much ends there. DRAW
The winner of a fight is not determined by what they can do but by what they did
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That's really up to the scenario you put them in.

So you put full powered Luffy against a handicapped Superman?

In terms of resistance and power its always going to be Superman>>>Luffy.

Even with Handicapped Superman, Luffy still wouldn't be able to to touch him. He doesn't need to attack at light speed to be able to [i]move[/i] at light speed.

Superman's heat vision is shown to melt Titanium, so we know that it's at least 3034F or 1,668C. Heat vision travels as light too, so there's no escaping that.

Of course, due to your rules. he would only use it on Luffy's non vital parts to handicap him and then he would lose.

You went from "Luffy would destroy Superman" to "Luffy would TIE against Superman [i]at best.[/i]

I would assume they are fighting under a sun. Unless you would like to further handicap him.

EDIT: Ignore the, "You went from "Luffy-" sentence. I momentarily forgot that he did mention it would be a draw.

@Darkness129: by original i mean written by the person who worte the first superman, there were many authors that re-wrote superman.
There was only one author for Luffy. so Luffy is the original the way he is right now.

@newrichboy: If Haki is unique to the OP world, why would kryptonite be an option to Luffy? He can then grab luffy and hold him under water until he passes out. Living things need air, no matter what living thing it might be. So it's not outside of the realm of options for Superman to come up with. No kryptonite boxing gloves for him.

[quote=Plenair]@newrichboy: Nonono, the heat vision would be super extra effective because Luffy is rubber, and rubber melts, so Luffy would melt.[/quote]

Enel had once wrapped freshly melted gold (2000 degrees Fahrenheit) around Luffy's arm and his arm didn't melt because of the heat. It was painful for him though.

@Plenair: Interesting idea... But I think Superman would heat vision his way out of that. It wouldn't be a fatal heat vision. More of a "I'll burn you until you're in enough pain to get off" heat vision. Luffy could try using Hardening haki to withstand it, but I'm not sure if that would work since haki is not yet well understood.

@wolfexe Superman wouldn't do that. Superman is a hero who can never finish off his foe because of his high sense of morality. LORD Superman (one in the video) abandoned the title of "hero" along with his morality.

@dablunt if you haven't realized it, the rules are simple. Superman will act like good ol' Superman, and Luffy will act like good ol' luffy. And also what's on the starting post which has been there since like, the 2nd page. Btw, on the video, all Superman used was speed, punch, and heat vision and it stated at the end that Superman didn't kill any of them.
The winner of a fight is not determined by what they can do but by what they did.

@Darkness129 Omg. I can't believe I read that. I'll tell you this one more time. Make sure you read this as slow as possible so that your brain can process the information.
The way you are imagining Superman fighting (which I'm assuming is like some Super d-bag who doesn't give a crap that goes around at 100% beast mode all the time) is not how Superman fights or acts. What? Can it be? You are actually thinking about this all wrong? Yes, yes it's true. I'm sorry to break the news but Superman is actually a really nice guy who hates killing/hurting people and just wants happy conclusions to everything. He has this thing called morality and it's what powers him down essentially. So it does matter if he would use it or not. So in a fight against Luffy, he would never, ever, ever, ever (remember, this is good ol' Superman; not evil, immoral Superman - which there probably is) attempt to kill Luffy or do anything that would. So the question is, what would he do? Fly around, Heat vision, punch, which, as I've stated before, wouldn't affect Luffy. And because Luffy can't beat Superman, the battle pretty much ends there. DRAW
The winner of a fight is not determined by what they can do but by what they did

@Plenair Question... do you watch One Piece? If I had a dollar for every time Luffy was pinned to something... Also, Luffy has been able to tangle and untangle himself. About the laser beam, depends where he wants to hit him I suppose. Yea, Superman can just grab him (good point) but then what? Fry his brain? That's killing the person which is something he wouldn't do. This also seems somewhat dangerous for Superman considering Luffy can easily fight back. I don't think I recall any fights with Superman just grabbing his opponents and heat visioning them, or simply just grabbing his opponents. Usually they immediately retaliate and push him away.

@Duckynatar I'll start with this: "I did not say Superman would punch him at the speed of light, I said he could giving a range. Do not put words in my mouth, that is bad debating."--- Okay, well then you've missed a major point of the thread. We are talking about what Superman WOULD do in a fight against Luffy, not what he COULD do. Which means stating would he could do doesn't prove he would win. Don't worry. I think 95% of the posters missed that point.

"Again implying Superman doesn't calculate how hard he needs to hit to effectively knock him out."--- I'm sorry. Please link me to the part where Superman knocks out major villains with one punch because he calculated how much strength he needed to do it.

"Superman can calculate how fast how would effectively needs to go" --- Yes, this is true but all your examples were at "all-most" light speed which would kill Luffy. I would assume the safest speed to carry someone is Mach 7. Superman mentioned this in a fight.

"Now let's say Superman does grab Luffy what then? Well I give it that Superman's heat vision may kill him, so Superman can just ice breath him close range and have Luffy frozen for a while that he is unconscious and he wins." I'm not entirely sure how fast Superman freezes with ice breath. Luffy could retaliate and before that and escape. I've never seen a fight where Superman just grabs the opponent and heat vision/ice breaths to victory. I admit this is very possible (congrats you are the first person to accomplish this in this thread! Which has been all I've been looking for -.-) depending if Luffy immediately dies from being frozen or not because Superman wouldn't be able to thaw him.

"Because you brought it up. I read your comments before hand and you have mentioned Kryptonite many times and I just wanted it to prove that even if somehow Luffy can get Kryptonite Superman could still win, I am not focusing on it."---Kryptonite was only mentioned because previous discussions mentioned exploiting Luffy's drowning weakness, so then counterarguments using Kryptonite were made.

@Dega Actually, a lot of villains have been able to "hurt" (as assumed by his grunts and knock backs) Superman with just their brute force. Waves would work against Luffy as you mentioned. Although, Luffy has been hit with wave-like attacks and has still stood up afterwards. Not sure if Superman can do this though or else he would be wave punching everyone, right? O.o

@Frisbeeness you haven't been following the thread at all huh...

Sorry for the delayed replies but I'm glad to see I'm getting much more acceptable/realistic answers!

P.S. You know, all this talk about Superman and his abilities makes me wonder how he would do against a logia type like Admiral Kizaru, who is light and cannot be touched without haki (pertains only to OP world).

Luffy wouldn't be able to even scratch superman, he can take nuclear explosions straight to his face without even being affected.

And Luffy isn't immune to punches, punches that have enough force to send waves through his body still hurt him (Like Lucci's Ryokugan thing and Jimbei's fishman karate) I'm sure superman can easily dish out punches that can still hurt Luffy.

I'm a major One Piece and I really don't like superman, but this is a bad comparison, these two guys aren't in the same league to be comparable

[quote=Plenair]You're either a toptierfool or just don't know what a troll is. As you can see the TS is serious about this, he's not joking or messing with people at all, he honestly thinks Superman cannot beat Luffy. So the real winner here isn't TS, and especially not your tool of a comment.[/quote]

Theres clearly no way any rationally minded person would be serious about this. I know people who go to great lengths to pull off quality trolls. The fact that most of his responses are rehashes of previously mentioned arguments makes it easy to pump out long responses without even sacrificing that much effort or thought.
The fact that he fooled you with feigned ingenuity is even more evidence of the success. The best trolls are the ones that go undetected, pulling off the long con if you will.
Stop being so naive.

@TS
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0]Nice job![/url]

@newrichboy:
Ok I will reply to you in sections as there is so much there needs to be said. Again, if you do not address all my points do not bother replying.

"[i]It has already been proven that Superman would never punch "at his max". As you said, he shows restraint. Why? Cause he doesn't want to kill the person. Thus, any move that you say would instant kill is omitted. Stop trying to support those statements. Plus, there is no battle that I've seen that shows superman punching people at the speed of light.[/i]"
Yes, superman would never punch at his max, but that is just to give you the range of his capabilities. He does show restraint, he is pretty good at it. Are you implying that Superman can not just do the math in his head to calculate how fast he needs to be to safely attack Luffy without killing him. Superman intelligence goes beyond what we can learn, so he can do that. I am not supporting those statements it's just a range of what he can do. I am not controlling Superman in the fight, but it is granted that they will fight as that is what your thread implies. So all those things I listed doesn't scratch the surface of what Superman can do in the fight and still win. I did not say Superman would punch him at the speed of light, I said he could giving a range. Do not put words in my mouth, that is bad debating.

"[i]Luffy being resistant to punches DOES mean he wouldn't be effected by Superman's "restrained" punches (as I'm referring to them now). It has been shown that incredibly powerful punches can hit Luffy (with no haki) and it wouldn't affect him at all.[/i]"
Again implying Superman doesn't calculate how hard he needs to hit to effectively knock him out.

"[i]All your light speed examples will most certainly kill Luffy. Once again, omitted because it's not something Superman would do.[/i]"
Again, Superman can calculate how fast how would effectively needs to go. Superman has caught falling people, he doesn't always fly at the speed of light, that is his max. Now lets say Superman does grab Luffy what then? Well I give it that Superman's heat vision may kill him, so Superman can just ice breath him close range and have Luffy frozen for awhile that he is unconscious and he wins.

"[i]I'm not sure why your focusing on Kryptonite. In this battle, no weaknesses are exploited.[/i]"
Because you brought it up. I read your comments before hand and you have mentioned Kryptonite many times and I just wanted it to prove that even if somehow Luffy can get Kryptonite Superman could still win, I am not focusing on it.

Debunking still happening as my debunks have yet to be debunked.

LOL 7 PAGES
I think we know who the real winner is
#toptiertroll

a fictional character designed to be the strongest being in any universe vs a pirate with rubber power. the outcome between these two fictional characters is prettty obvious.

[quote=Darkness129]@ItzKSM:
Well its true that Batman did beat Superman. But with a couple minutes worth of research. Batman had Kryptonite with him during the battle.

And in the scenerio here, they don't know each others weakness.

And we're comparing the best of Superman and the best of Luffy

And the comparison is not surprising considering that they made Superman at God like levels.[/quote]

makes sense that makes things a lot more clear lol

@ItzKSM:
Well its true that Batman did beat Superman. But with a couple minutes worth of research. Batman had Kryptonite with him during the battle.

And in the scenerio here, they don't know each others weakness.

And we're comparing the best of Superman and the best of Luffy

And the comparison is not surprising considering that they made Superman at God like levels.

@Darkness129: agreed

[quote=Darkness129]Please reread the thread.[/quote]
way to lazy for that read the first 2 pages and gave up... did someone say why just cause batman did it doesnt mean luffy could? if so i take back my comment lol

[quote=ItzKSM]please if batman, a regular ass human can beat superman luffy can too just saying.[/quote]

Please reread the thread.

please if batman, a regular ass human can beat superman luffy can too just saying.

[quote=newrichboy]@dablunt Everything they have said with I have agreed is within Superman capabilities. However, you don't understand that he wouldn't use any of this in a fight. He wouldn't slow down? Did you not see the same video you linked? What did he do against Darkseid? He hit him, flew around him, STOPPED, and hit him again. That is slowing down. All the attacks that Superman did in that video would be ineffective against Luffy. And Darkseid was STILL able to stand after getting hit like that. Imagine someone who is actually resistant to physical damage. Thank you for proving my point.

There's no proof that he wasn't worrying about killing civilians. I'm sure Superman tried punching him in a direction away from any remaining civilian. After all, he can hear everything Either way, the level of severity is different from destroying an entire race because of one punch.[/quote]

It doesn't matter if Superman would use it or not. The fact of the matter is that Superman IS CAPABLE of doing that. Superman at full strength>Luffy in every possible way.

Your level of denial is beyond stupidity.

Superman has no limit lol. Luffy can do anything he wants to him, but as long as they're fighting under the sun, Luffy lost.
Luffy wouldn't know that supes gets his power from the sun. Regen abilities, super fast. Luffy faster than superman? LOL! Luffy doesn't come near to the flash, but supes can.
I like Luffy, but supes is stronger. Supes can also vibrate his body at a very quick speed, so Luffy won't hit him lol.

@newrichboy: if this hypothetical "fight" has rules please state them until them im finished trying to reason with you.
Superman just messing around: [b]read the description it provides decent information[/b] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zexXH3lS8Uw

In the video I posted, he didn't kill anyone. He just fried his brain and dumbed him down to what is no longer a threat, ending the fight. You can't say he wouldn't do this, because the video clearly shows he DID do this. Granted it was an alternate timeline superman, but still superman.

@dablunt Everything they have said with I have agreed is within Superman capabilities. However, you don't understand that he wouldn't use any of this in a fight. He wouldn't slow down? Did you not see the same video you linked? What did he do against Darkseid? He hit him, flew around him, STOPPED, and hit him again. That is slowing down. All the attacks that Superman did in that video would be ineffective against Luffy. And Darkseid was STILL able to stand after getting hit like that. Imagine someone who is actually resistant to physical damage. Thank you for proving my point.

There's no proof that he wasn't worrying about killing civilians. I'm sure Superman tried punching him in a direction away from any remaining civilian. After all, he can hear everything Either way, the level of severity is different from destroying an entire race because of one punch.

@fallforyou23 the ORIGINAL superman was from Atomic Comics, this superman was even more OP then the current superman. How you may ask? He could destroy a galaxy by [b]sneezing[/b]

@newrichboy everythin that @Darkness129 and @Duckynater have said is absolutely right. You still dont seem to understand how fast and how much force an object moving at the speed of light generates. You said "he would need to slow down to hit Luffy", hell no he wouldn't. Im gonna assume your a Naruto fan as well, so if thats true do u remember when Kakashi learned the Chidori? He couldn't use it properly since he couldn't see clearly moving at that speed, until he obtained the Sharingan. Superman doesn't have that problem he is in complete control of him self even at that speed and if you watched that video you would also know that [b]Superman doesn't even need to make contact with Luffy to hurt, mutilate, or kill[/b] (what ever the hell the rules are to your fight)

@newrichboy i leave you with this: [url=]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwU0QkcrNVQ[/url].This is a fight between Superman and Darkside (the strongest villain in the DC universe), the PART (not all) of the city they are fighting in was evacuated. This is him fighting with out worrying about killing civilians [b]STILL NOT AT FULL STRENGTH[/b].

@Duckynater It has already been proven that Superman would never punch "at his max". As you said, he shows restraint. Why? Cause he doesn't want to kill the person. Thus, any move that you say would instant kill is omitted. Stop trying to support those statements. Plus, there is no battle that I've seen that shows superman punching people at the speed of light.
Luffy being resistant to punches DOES mean he wouldn't be effected by Superman's "restrained" punches (as I'm referring to them now). It has been shown that incredibly powerful punches can hit Luffy (with no haki) and it wouldn't affect him at all.
All your light speed examples will most certainly kill Luffy. Once again, omitted because it's not something Superman would do.
I'm not sure why your focusing on Kryptonite. In this battle, no weaknesses are exploited.
Your so called "debunks" have been debunked. Please try again.

@Darkness129 Yes, Superman has more kill moves than the average superheroe. However, you are not taking into account his personality which is what will determine his actions in battle. He can have all the instant kill moves he wants but it doesn't mean he'll use them in a battle against Luffy. Real life example, you can go get a gun and start a shooting rampage, killing multiple people, but that doesn't mean you would (hopefully).
Realistically (in a figurative way), Superman would never use any of these moves in a battle to beat Luffy. If he wanted to beat Luffy, he'd do it in a different way that no one on this thread seems to have figured out. This is why I think it would end in a draw which would be Superman's best choice to try and resolve the fight without anyone dying. Because 1) He can't punch Luffy unconscious since anything less than a death dealing blow will just be resisted by Luffy's body and 2) Luffys can easily dodge any heat vision/cold breath attack.

@wolfexe I was ignoring because I didn't take your post seriously. Actually, I still don't especially because you haven't read/understood any of my posts. I've clearly stated that Superman would not do instant kills which grabbing him and moving at the speed of light would do.

@Plenair If you think Superman can defeat Luffy without killing him then please explain how this would happen when 1) He can't punch Luffy unconscious since anything less than a death dealing blow will just be resisted by Luffy's body and 2) Luffys can easily dodge any heat vision/cold breath attack.

Also, please read more carefully. You are the one pushing the ultimatum (which is defined by "Superman winning end of story). I'm providing a different result to the battle.

@RarityBoom Thank you for proving nothing and failing to follow and understand the points that were being made in the discussion.

Stop trying to make stuff up, especially if Superman has never even done this action to anyone in the comics (what makes you think he'll do this to Luffy all of a sudden?)

If none of you can come up with the results from an accurate simulation of a battle between Luffy vs. Superman that obviously follows each character's personality/moral code/abilities/special traits/etc and is in line with their Alternate Reality's rule (refer to original post), then my results from my proposed simulation will indefinitely stand.

For all those who have left the discussion: Good job over glorifying Superman and being ignorant to what kind of person he truly is

[quote=fallforyou23]if we're going by the ORIGINAL Superman not the modern one
if against the ORIGINAL then it would be a draw as they both go high speed and has super strength and has some invulnerability to something. Luffy with punches and lightning and Superman with punches.
Against the modern one... then Luffy would be defeated with a flick of a finger from superman...
least that's what i think[/quote]

That's also implying that he's putting nornal Luffy vs the original superman.

But he's applying all of luffys current skills so we have to put superman on his current abilities too.

if we're going by the ORIGINAL Superman not the modern one
if against the ORIGINAL then it would be a draw as they both go high speed and has super strength and has some invulnerability to something. Luffy with punches and lightning and Superman with punches.
Against the modern one... then Luffy would be defeated with a flick of a finger from superman...
least that's what i think

[quote=Duckynater]@wolfexe
Honestly, I wonder if he will reply at all as I have debunked most of his past statements. I'm curious if he does reply how he will counter them.[/quote]

These have been gone over and debunked a number of times, he's going to ignore them. He has been ignoring my grab and laser thing since page 3

i pretty sure superman laser eyes can burn through luffy's rubber body...

[quote=newrichboy]@ImaClubYou "Luffy would win because Superman doesn't kill." -- WONDERFUL STATEMENT! Watch as this unfolds now
@dablunt Your video was PERFECT for proving that this battle would end in a draw.
@RarityBoom Before I begin, let me just say that Tekkai is extremely similar to Haki, which can damage devil fruit users. However, most people that use tekkai cannot move. Rankyaku and Shigan are both piercing attacks which damage Luffy, and Rokougan is an inner shockwave attack. All of these require great physical strength to execute which is different from directly using your physical strength to defeat a person. Think of it as magical spells if you can't understand.

@Cawickeng @CureSword @CrownedSorrow @Darkness129 @DKishot @Sleepyx714 @SoulBlade

To continue with the discussion and still using the same rules as before

"Because of the different reality issue, there is only one thing to do. Figuratively put them into the an alternate reality that can hold them both. For now, these are the rules of that reality. 1) Luffy/Superman cannot affect this reality in any way because it is unknown how the reality would react to something such as reverse time, creating a new universe, etc. 2) The reality allows them to fight one on one with no other disturbances. 3) The reality prevents them from instant kills, such as suffocating Luffy in outer space. 4) Superman/Luffy maintain their original reality's physical rules and any attack that conflicts with those rules are omitted."

@dablunt and @ImaClubYou are completely right. In this figurative battle between Superman and Luffy, we cannot dismiss their personalities. In a friendly competitive battle between Superman and Luffy, there is no way ever that Superman would literally kill Luffy. Superman is a good guy who hates killing people. He cares deeply about other people, and never wants to see them get hurt ESPECIALLY bystanders. He would have no reason to kill someone in a battle. It is especially unnecessary in this battle that is not looking for anyones death but rather a challenge. However, all of you seem to be assuming that killing Luffy is what Superman would do right away which shows me that you do not understand Superman well enough for this conversation. Superman would never kill Luffy because he is not that kind of person and the same goes for Luffy. Technically, either one can kill each other if they wanted to BUT THEY WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LIKE THAT.

You say Superman can punch Luffy at the speed of light and it would be over? Refer to the video that @dablunt linked. What would happen? Complete and utter destruction that would not only kill Luffy but everything else on the planet and on neighboring planets. This is something Superman could never allow to happen so it's something he would never do. Also, it goes against the rules of the alternate reality in which they were placed (no instant KO's). Any reality altering ability that Superman uses is also against the Alternate realities rule and should be considered forfeiting a match (really superman? You have to resort to such actions to win a fight?)

Heat vision/Cold breath? As I've stated before, Luffy can dodge that in Gear 2nd + Haki.
Super Speed? Sure let him fly around for a while, he'll have to slow down to punch Luffy sometime.
Brawling? Luffy is resistant to physical attacks so that would be ineffective.
Light speed punch? He'll kill entire planets which is something he wouldn't do.
Wait it out for 100 years? If Superman does not fight, then it's considered a forfeit. If both don't fight then it's considered a draw.
What would Luffy do? Nothing. As I've said before, Luffy could never beat Superman. His endurance is too high.

I don't understand why all of you only see ultimatum i.e. either Luffy wins or Superman wins. You all keep saying "there's no way Luffy would win blah blah blah", yet I stated that it would be a draw. Not that Luffy would win. Not that Superman would win. You all say I don't understand how overpowered Superman is except I do VERY MUCH understand. The only difference is that I also understand what kind of people these characters are. For any of you to consider instant kills just shows your ignorance on these characters. The scenario I imaged was that neither one could effectively defeat the other in a way that's within their morality.

So please, if you really think Superman could beat Luffy (or vice versa) instead of it ending in a draw let me know how it would happen. I'm pretty sure I have yet to mention something to contradict it.

P.S. @Plenair , ant related deaths have occurred in real life. Some guys sniffed ants. The ants bit through their respiratory system causing inflammation and the guys to suffocate to death.[/quote]
So you've pretty much admitted that Superman's light speed punch would indeed kill him but apparently wouldn't use it because 'he cares about planets.' As the title says Superman vs Luffy. You're just creating scenarios in which Superman can't use his defeating moves.

Going 99.99% speed of the light. Won't reverse time. Its time dilation which HaS been proven and physics still apply in this so called controlled environment.
You still haven't given us the math explaining how Luffy would hit superman with a greater force than a supernova, because Superman can take several times that of a supernova.

You know he wouldn't need to kill Luffy in your 'handicap superman because he's too OP universe'. We already know that Superman's light speed punch can destroy him. And you still haven't told us how luffy would even scratch him.

I love Luffy but even I know that he would get destroyed by Superman, only for the fact being that the guy as one weakness and it's a rock... Luffy wouldn't be able to figure out that being a weakness tbh. Superman is going to win mostly every fight only because the creators of his comic have made him to OP compared to Manga's where people like to see the main character have a weakness so they can overcome it

@wolfexe
Honestly, I wonder if he will reply at all as I have debunked most of his past statements. I'm curious if he does reply how he will counter them.

@Duckynater Sadly I don't think any Luffy fan boys will accept that he will get his face melted as shown to happen to a guy claiming his skin can take a nuke only to have SuperMan laser his brain to mush. Anyone who says Luffy stands a chance against a guy who has shown punches strong enough to knock out the windows of the city without actually hitting the windows is in denial. Though SuperMan is a Mary Sue, he's still stronger.

I think we all know that Luffy would lose.
But superman would lose to One Punch man easily, with One-punch man probably having to pull punches to have an enjoyable fight, like he did against the sky king and the highest level threat guy.

@newrichboy
Do not bother responding if you do not address all parts of my comment, I apologize if this may be long. But an incomplete answer would only mean that you have no evidence in that matter that Luffy can stand his ground against Superman. My comment will be assuming the universe they will be fighting in will have laws similar to the universe we reside in.

You talk a lot about haki, so I did some research and it appears Luffy has access to all 3, I'll make a list of how Superman can deal with all 3.
[b]Kenbunshoku Haki[/b]: Granted they are forced to fight this would be useless, they would already be fighting and Superman can move 1% less than the speed of light,973,735,000 ft/s. Knowing something will happen will not be that useful if you can't dodge it. (I will get to how Luffy can not dodge it later.) If they do not have to fight right away maybe Luffy can sense Superman is coming before hand and prepare himself. Still not much help, but it's nice to know that he's coming at you.

[b]Busoshoku Haki[/b]: So it makes attacks stronger and makes the user more protected. This would be nice if superman gives a damn about getting hit, or if he wasn't such a powerhouse. Description said this Haki "[i]harden parts of one's body, turning the area black, thus making the user denser and more formidable[/i]" does not mean he could withstand Superman's punch, equal to about the atomic bomb that dropped on Hiroshima 2,800x. He probably won't hit that hard to Luffy, you wouldn't need to Luffy is mortal and being made out of rubber does not mean he can absorb all that power.

[b]Haoshoku Haki[/b]: Description says it all "[i]However, those with stronger wills can resist or even ignore the effects of Haoshoku Haki.[/i]" Superman has a very strong will, this will most likely do nothing.

Now that's taken care of this is why Luffy can not dodge Superman. If Superman did punch at his max then the punch, hit anything or not, the energy from it would produce 80,000,000 K, that's about about 5 mil. hotter than our sun. Granted Superman wouldn't need to punch that hard as Superman can show restraint.

Another thing you say is "[i]You also don't understand that Superman moving at speed of light =/= his attacks moving at speed of light.[/i]" Are you implying Superman can not just stick his arm out and just fly at the speed of light? In fact he doesn't need to stick his arm out, the impact from him just smashing into Luffy's body would be devastating.

Now you say Luffy isn't affected by punches is very wrong. He does have very high resistance to physical attacks, it does not mean a force strong enough won't hurt him. And another easy counter would be Superman sticks out his arm, grabs Luffy and heat vision him, although the impact from getting grabbed at almost light speed would also knock Luffy out.

You say Kryptonite, I say where does Luffy get it? Lets say Luffy does somehow manage to get some, Superman doesn't just die, he just gets weak and that's only if Superman lets Luffy touch him. As I said before his punches can not be blocked the energy that he can produce from a punch would be too strong it would burn Luffy, he just has to keep distance and with Superman's great vision he could easily tell if Luffy had Kryptonite on him.

Considering a knockout is all that is needed to win Superman is an easy pick. Considering a kill is needed to win Superman wins even easier as he doesn't need to show restraint. [i][/i]

Even under all the crappy SuperMan isn't allowed to use this list of powers set, the video I linked clearly shows he just has to grab Luffy with his flight and super speed, then laser luffy's brains into jelly mush.

@newrichboy: LOL im done. Your way to biased towards Luffy, it's impossible to prove anything to you cause you are extremely arrogant.

This is my final statement, Superman is as strong as he needs to be, which is proven by the individual writers of Superman and how the actual character acts.
Luffy is not limitless, which makes him more relateable to us because his character is dynamic. Superman is a God bound by duty to keep peace and justice while Luffy being mortal has dreams which he pursues because he can only live once.

@newrichboy: dream on~ OP Fanatic

@ImaClubYou "Luffy would win because Superman doesn't kill." -- WONDERFUL STATEMENT! Watch as this unfolds now
@dablunt Your video was PERFECT for proving that this battle would end in a draw.
@RarityBoom Before I begin, let me just say that Tekkai is extremely similar to Haki, which can damage devil fruit users. However, most people that use tekkai cannot move. Rankyaku and Shigan are both piercing attacks which damage Luffy, and Rokougan is an inner shockwave attack. All of these require great physical strength to execute which is different from directly using your physical strength to defeat a person. Think of it as magical spells if you can't understand.

@Cawickeng @CureSword @CrownedSorrow @Darkness129 @DKishot @Sleepyx714 @SoulBlade

To continue with the discussion and still using the same rules as before

"Because of the different reality issue, there is only one thing to do. Figuratively put them into the an alternate reality that can hold them both. For now, these are the rules of that reality. 1) Luffy/Superman cannot affect this reality in any way because it is unknown how the reality would react to something such as reverse time, creating a new universe, etc. 2) The reality allows them to fight one on one with no other disturbances. 3) The reality prevents them from instant kills, such as suffocating Luffy in outer space. 4) Superman/Luffy maintain their original reality's physical rules and any attack that conflicts with those rules are omitted."

@dablunt and @ImaClubYou are completely right. In this figurative battle between Superman and Luffy, we cannot dismiss their personalities. In a friendly competitive battle between Superman and Luffy, there is no way ever that Superman would literally kill Luffy. Superman is a good guy who hates killing people. He cares deeply about other people, and never wants to see them get hurt ESPECIALLY bystanders. He would have no reason to kill someone in a battle. It is especially unnecessary in this battle that is not looking for anyones death but rather a challenge. However, all of you seem to be assuming that killing Luffy is what Superman would do right away which shows me that you do not understand Superman well enough for this conversation. Superman would never kill Luffy because he is not that kind of person and the same goes for Luffy. Technically, either one can kill each other if they wanted to BUT THEY WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LIKE THAT.

You say Superman can punch Luffy at the speed of light and it would be over? Refer to the video that @dablunt linked. What would happen? Complete and utter destruction that would not only kill Luffy but everything else on the planet and on neighboring planets. This is something Superman could never allow to happen so it's something he would never do. Also, it goes against the rules of the alternate reality in which they were placed (no instant KO's). Any reality altering ability that Superman uses is also against the Alternate realities rule and should be considered forfeiting a match (really superman? You have to resort to such actions to win a fight?)

Heat vision/Cold breath? As I've stated before, Luffy can dodge that in Gear 2nd + Haki.
Super Speed? Sure let him fly around for a while, he'll have to slow down to punch Luffy sometime.
Brawling? Luffy is resistant to physical attacks so that would be ineffective.
Light speed punch? He'll kill entire planets which is something he wouldn't do.
Wait it out for 100 years? If Superman does not fight, then it's considered a forfeit. If both don't fight then it's considered a draw.
What would Luffy do? Nothing. As I've said before, Luffy could never beat Superman. His endurance is too high.

I don't understand why all of you only see ultimatum i.e. either Luffy wins or Superman wins. You all keep saying "there's no way Luffy would win blah blah blah", yet I stated that it would be a draw. Not that Luffy would win. Not that Superman would win. You all say I don't understand how overpowered Superman is except I do VERY MUCH understand. The only difference is that I also understand what kind of people these characters are. For any of you to consider instant kills just shows your ignorance on these characters. The scenario I imaged was that neither one could effectively defeat the other in a way that's within their morality.

So please, if you really think Superman could beat Luffy (or vice versa) instead of it ending in a draw let me know how it would happen. I'm pretty sure I have yet to mention something to contradict it.

P.S. @Plenair , ant related deaths have occurred in real life. Some guys sniffed ants. The ants bit through their respiratory system causing inflammation and the guys to suffocate to death.

[quote=newrichboy]I never said he was indestructible, just resistant to physical attacks. Luffy did not have trouble against Lucci/Bruno because of their physical strength. None of their physical attacks hurt Luffy. Rather it was because of their Tekkai, shigan, Rankyaku, Rokougan attacks. I have said this on a previous post but Superman is known not to be able to punch at super speed. Also, radio waves? Proof please.

P.S. I have already placed them in a separate alternate reality. From topic post:
For now, these are the rules of that reality. 1) Luffy/Superman cannot affect this reality in any way because it is unknown how the reality would react to something such as reverse time, creating a new universe, etc. 2) The reality allows them to fight one on one with no other disturbances. 3) The reality prevents them from instant kills, such as suffocating Luffy in outer space. 4) Superman/Luffy maintain their original reality's physical rules and any attack that conflicts with those rules are omitted.

For the people who try and use the poll to their defense. Do you actually think the poll is an accurate representation of the outcome of this battle? Do you have any idea how many people mindlessly, and biasly choose options for polls? The poll was just for the lolz and shouldn't be taken seriously at all.[/quote]

Tekkai, shigan, Rankyaku, Rokougan are all feats achieved through physical exercise, they even showed this in flash backs.

If you're gonna add rules to this, give Luffy every ability from the show to face against Superman. Superman doesn't need anything but the sun, if you want Luffy to win just give him the Dark Fruit to blot the sun and give him the ability to absorb damage through the Phoenix Fruit. Wait till Superman runs out of Sun Juice and Luffy puts Superman in a coma. Wakes up rinse and repeat. Other then that Luffy can't win unless he destroys the sun.

This is literally a fight against Rubber and the Sun.

New 52 Superman benched the weight of the Earth for like 5 days straight without any sunlight.

Why did u pick the weakest person, when there are other anime's that can obliterate luffy...

Superman curbstomps Luffy because Superman outpowers Luffy by a lot.

Luffy is the main character of the weakest of the HST and he's not even the strongest of his verse. How is this even a match? Any Superman can destroy Luffy, even the Smallville one.

@Plenair yea there's really no point in this anymore since he doesn't understand that superman is literally indestructible, moves at the speed of light, can turn coal into diamonds with his bare hands, is educated in 3 different kriptonion martial arts (1 of which is used mental attacks), and survive in the vacuum of space. The ONLY thing that could hold superman back is his sense of morality (again assuming later edition superman).

[quote=dablunt]@newrichboy to further justify points made :
"What if superman punched you" ~~> [url=] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI [/url][/quote]

Oh Whoops. I forgot to link the video. Thanks c:

@newrichboy to further justify points made by @dkishot @Darkness129 @RarityBoom :
"What if superman punched you" ~~> [url=] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI [/url]

I don't think you know the magnitude of being capable of going 99.99% the speed of light.
It is stated he could go faster but for the sake of physics hes going 00.01% less for this comparison.
Mach 3 = 1020.87 m / s
Speed of light 299,792,458 m / s
That means that superman can do anything to Luffy and he wouldn't even know what happened.
Superman can withstand a Supernova and not have a scratch on him.
Ever heard of time dilation?
Why not just throw Luffy into the sun? I mean, rubber can disintegrate right?
Superman's punch would generate 80,000,000,000,000 Kelvin.
The punch would reach Luffy in 3.4 nanoseconds.
As for superman, he would literally freeze time. All of the particles in the universe would stop.
His fist would become a particle beam, and Luffy would be atomically liquefied upon contact with his fist.
Truth is, that they made Superman as strong as a God as long as his comics sold.
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And if you're still in denial
Superman will win by not even fighting.
Luffy is mortal. He will die within 100 years Superman is pretty much immortal as long as he has Light.

He can reach any other light source within seconds if he ever runs out.

EDIT: You say that it is unknown if superman can punch super speed.
Well if he can move at 99.99% the speed of light. I think his fist follows his body.
I don't see how being able to predict attacks is going to help him. Unless he reacts faster than 3.4 nanoseconds or .00000000034/1 second, it is physically impossible for him to dodge it.

@Sleepyx714 First of all, calm down. You're becoming verbally abusive. I'm not sure how I sound extremely biased when I'm obviously considering both characters skills in a fight with each other, and have concluded it would most likely be a DRAW. You have only glorified Superman without providing concrete evidence/example that he would win in a fight against Luffy. You haven't even critically analyzing ANY of Luffy's abilities. In fact, you called Japanese manga characters WEAKLINGS compared to American comic characters. BTW, the only thing ridiculous are the writers for attempting to make Superman so godlike AND the people who accept it.
You also don't understand that Superman moving at speed of light =/= his attacks moving at speed of light. It has been shown that he cannot punch at the speed of light and has physical fighting capabilities comparable to Captain Marval/Black Adam (@cb000). His heat vision, while very fast, can still be dodged as shown by the Flash. Luffy can dodge bullets at point blank range, and other small sized attacks going so fast they destroy whole cliff-sides/mountains. In fact, he his arm CATCHES ON FIRE because of his speed. Add observation Haki to that, which essentially makes you clairvoyant, and dodging something like Heat vision becomes a piece of cake.
Finally, you didn't understand my statement about Luffy using Superman's weakness, Kryptonite, to beat him. It was used as an example to counteract Superman exploiting Luffy's weakness, the sea. It was not giving him a handicap.

@FwuffehStarz Yes, he is SUPERman. Not GODman. Not GODLIKEman. Not ICANTBEDEFEATEDman. I don't think Luffy could make a dent in Superman. But I also don't think Superman could beat Luffy. Thus, this is why I had said it's a draw. you didn't understand my statement about Luffy using Superman's weakness, Kryptonite, to beat him. It was used as an example to counteract Superman exploiting Luffy's weakness, the sea. Using your logic, if people resort to Superman drowning Luffy then they must also not be confident in his skills in defeating Luffy.

@dkishot Well, I didn't say Haki would stop Superman. It would allow Luffy to effectively dodge Superman. About your comparisons: comparing traits does not mean one person will definitely win a fight over another. For example, the fight isn't a race so you shouldn't give Superman points just for being faster. Speed =/= triumphant victory. Superman's endurance is greater than Luffy's, I agree. But that doesn't mean Luffy will tire himself out after he realizes that his punches don't do anything (Superman's punches will also be ineffective, thus DRAW). Superman may have lived longer and acquired more combat experience; however, there are certain limits to that. It will end when you are "used to fighting" and fighting different kinds of people will get you "used to that fighting type/ability". At that point, you must use your combat experience to overcome novel opponent with novel abilities which is then becomes an even playing fields for both. It's kind of like saying Blackbeard could beat Luffy because he is older and thus has more combat experience, which is not the case. And as we all know, Luffy is comparable to a fighting genius. Btw, Haki isn't just about intimidation. There are three kinds of Haki: Kenbunshoku which is most often used to predict attacks, Haoshoku which has only been seen to intimidate opponents to the point of them fainting (never used in an important 1v1 so far), and Busoshoku which basically gives you invisible armor/incredible strength.

@RarityBoom I never said he was indestructible, just resistant to physical attacks. Luffy did not have trouble against Lucci/Bruno because of their physical strength. None of their physical attacks hurt Luffy. Rather it was because of their Tekkai, shigan, Rankyaku, Rokougan attacks. I have said this on a previous post but Superman is known not to be able to punch at super speed. Also, radio waves? Proof please.

P.S. I have already placed them in a separate alternate reality. From topic post:
For now, these are the rules of that reality. 1) Luffy/Superman cannot affect this reality in any way because it is unknown how the reality would react to something such as reverse time, creating a new universe, etc. 2) The reality allows them to fight one on one with no other disturbances. 3) The reality prevents them from instant kills, such as suffocating Luffy in outer space. 4) Superman/Luffy maintain their original reality's physical rules and any attack that conflicts with those rules are omitted.

For the people who try and use the poll to their defense. Do you actually think the poll is an accurate representation of the outcome of this battle? Do you have any idea how many people mindlessly, and biasly choose options for polls? The poll was just for the lolz and shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

[quote=newrichboy]@RarityBoom His rubber attribute is what makes him resistant to physical damage. Although it hasn't been confirmed how far Luffy can actually stretch, I don't see how this "limit" will allow Superman to win a fight against Luffy. Also, you can talk about Superman all you want but just because his multiple abilities doesn't define his skill in combat against Luffy.[/quote]

I don't think you get the jest of how much stronger he is. His rubber attribute doesn't make him indestructible (Fun fact: Rubber isn't indestructible). Lucci is a physical fighter that didn't use haki and neither was Bruno. A strong enough physical attack will hurt Luffy, and the destructive force of energy exerted from an attack doesn't disappear that's why luffy gets hurt. So what would happen if Superman punches Luffy, considering he moves almost at speed of light and has an infinite source of power. Good guess Luffy would die. Even if this was like normal Superman, he can outsmart Luffy and do w/e he wants, kill him, be friends, shoot him down with his eye beams( he can control the frequency of the beam from actual visibility to x-ray and if he really wanted to radiowaves).

If you want to say they fight in the land of One Piece, well considering the fact that there's still a Sun he can just fly into the sun and get as much power as he wants. Destroy the planet, break the planet in 2 and call one Fairy Tale, remake a planet, make clones of himself to tell jokes. Superman has no limits or boundaries he is meant to be superior in everyway, like the only downside to Superman or his weakness is that he's a boy scout/goodie goodie.