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@CherryTigers: well the way it works..is the more trials=less percentage error soooo if we did 1m cubes it would be better data than a few thousands...but i think we definitively need more than a couple thousand if we want more accurate readings

@IHurtzLotz Are you saying that even after over a thousand cubes that we still haven't done enough trials?

Oh well, it hasn't been that long since Black Heaven Act 1 so I'll continue to keep tabs on the tier ups.

@CherryTigers: averaging 18.1 per epic to uni... wow...u have some god luck

[quote=UAPaladin]If there's a lower rate for a cube, even if the cube costs less, you could easily wind up spending more on the cheaper cubes to tier up than on the more expensive ones where tiering up is more likely.[/quote]

Aye that is true if it is lower rate, although I believe that both red and black cubes possess the same rate

[quote=ak44]Why would Nexon remove that description from the Black cubes? Advertising higher tier upgrade rates only serves to entice purchasing these pricier cubes. Nexon does not lose anything by keeping higher tier upgrades in the description.

Therefore, I am going to take their word and understand the change as a lack of higher tier upgrade rate with black cubes; AKA same tier upgrade rate between red and black cubes rates.

While Nexon does not benefit from removing the claim of higher tier upgrade rates while in fact still attributing them to black cubes, they DO benefit from removing the black cube higher tier upgrade rate by keeping the maple population weaker, and thus more dependent on using cash. The fact that they changed the description with no fanfare supports this theory, as they have now acquired a loyalty of only-black-cube users and perpetuated the myth that black cubes feature higher upgrade tier rates.[/quote]

If there's a lower rate for a cube, even if the cube costs less, you could easily wind up spending more on the cheaper cubes to tier up than on the more expensive ones where tiering up is more likely.

Why would Nexon remove that description from the Black cubes? Advertising higher tier upgrade rates only serves to entice purchasing these pricier cubes. Nexon does not lose anything by keeping higher tier upgrades in the description.

Therefore, I am going to take their word and understand the change as a lack of higher tier upgrade rate with black cubes; AKA same tier upgrade rate between red and black cubes rates.

While Nexon does not benefit from removing the claim of higher tier upgrade rates while in fact still attributing them to black cubes, they DO benefit from removing the black cube higher tier upgrade rate by keeping the maple population weaker, and thus more dependent on using cash. The fact that they changed the description with no fanfare supports this theory, as they have now acquired a loyalty of only-black-cube users and perpetuated the myth that black cubes feature higher upgrade tier rates.

i havent played in almost a year but im pretty sure black cubes never actually stated that they have a higher tier up rate in the description. however, the tier up rate was significantly higher with black cubes.
law of cubing: black to tier up, red once legendary. i recently came back and tiering up is even easier than before. got epic to unique with 3-4 black cubes several times

[quote=ArchM0onL]@noobiest123: 18%+ on regular is not too hard.. I tried 1-2 packs and got 21% on emblem, but 18%+ on bpot might be a bit hard... I tried a little bit and decided it's beyond my budget very quickly.

Anyways it's all about luck. My friend got 21%matk on his sword's bpot twice with 5 packs. LOL[/quote]

mfw i dont have a lvl100 emblem explorers3op5me

@noobiest123: 18%+ on regular is not too hard.. I tried 1-2 packs and got 21% on emblem, but 18%+ on bpot might be a bit hard... I tried a little bit and decided it's beyond my budget very quickly.
For regular I also got 90%boss and one pdr line among them so I'm good for now. I'm not killing vellum so kk.
Anyways it's all about luck. My friend got 21%matk on his sword's bpot twice with 5 packs. LOL

[quote=ArchM0onL]@noobiest123 att/matt lines are hard to get imo, I have two 12%matk lines and one 9%matk line from all three %matk sources reg pot and pretty satisfied. bpot I have 12% on all of them tho. Not targeting for more in foreseeable future.[/quote]

I'm looking for 18%+ main and bonus since both are legendary

@noobiest123 att/matt lines are hard to get imo, I have two 12%matk lines and one 9%matk line from all three %matk sources reg pot and pretty satisfied. bpot I have 12% on all of them tho. Not targeting for more in foreseeable future.

[quote=noobiest123]Also, am I just paranoid or is there a higher chance of getting perfect potentials on the wrong item? I keep getting 30% stat on my secondary and M.att% lines on my bow. Took me ~2 packs of red cubes to see my first %att line </3[/quote]

now thats completely random no matter what kind of cube you use

@DrZin: That's what I'm trying to say! Nexon secretly edited the description of the item and idk if it's still better.

@ArchM0onL: It had %att main lines and perfect 30% int bpot...

@CherryTigers: HOW COULD YOU NOT BE A PINK BEAN ANYMORE? didnt even recognize you

idk i got 3 items legendary from uniq --> legendary using 30 red cubes during miracle time so it rly depends on ur luck.

It took me exactly 36 black cubes to go from epic to legendary non-miracle time.

But jeez I always assumed that somewhere on the maplestory website it said that black cubes had a higher rate to rank up. I could have sworn that the CS description once stated that, but after some googling it doesn't say that anywhere! That's scary.

@noobiest123 I might keep for a while or try to sell that 30% ereve brilliance lmao. Is not too bad, like 200-300k range?

[quote=CherryTigers]@IHurtzLotz I figure I'd post my stats since I consume thousands of cubes regularly.

I am currently averaging 18.1 master craftsman cube per tier up from epic to unique. Sometimes it takes me over 100 cubes, other times it takes me 1 cube.

Black cubes: I am currently averaging 4 packs of black cubes per 1 tier up from unique to legendary. Sometimes I spend over 200k nx, other times it takes me a minimum of 2 packs.

Red cubes: I haven't tested their tier-up rates from unique to legendary yet but I guess I'll test it out later.
Meister cubes: I've used over 200 and so far, 0 legendaries.

I won't post my exact results for master craftsman consumption but I will say I get a lot of them from many friends who also team up to help me collect the statistics. Obviously I'm not keeping their items/cubes but we're cubing together and recording the numbers. We've consumed over a thousand of these cubes and our number is resting at 18.1.[/quote]

That's a very nice tier up rate for craftsmans. Craftsman cube service currently sells for around 70-80 M, so that puts the baseline unique price at roughly 2 B+original item price, which neatly corresponds with current market prices.

Legendary seems sadly out of reach for meister cubes though.

[quote=LuizEvilx]
theres no actual proof behind black cubes being better than red cubes.
some people got better results out of red cubes (like me), others got better results out of black cubes.
Im sure it was just luck for people who got better results out of black cubes, not an actual higher tier up rate.
[/quote]

There was actual proof, several people recorded significantly worse results with Red Cubes over the last two years. Also, the description of Black Cubes stated that they had a higher chance of tier ups. However, as of the cube tier rate revamp last month, we haven't pulled together enough data to confirm that Black Cubes still have 2x or better the chances of Red Cubes to tier up.

Also, am I just paranoid or is there a higher chance of getting perfect potentials on the wrong item? I keep getting 30% stat on my secondary and M.att% lines on my bow. Took me ~2 packs of red cubes to see my first %att line </3

@IHurtzLotz I figure I'd post my stats since I consume thousands of cubes regularly.

I am currently averaging 18.1 master craftsman cube per tier up from epic to unique. Sometimes it takes me over 100 cubes, other times it takes me 1 cube.

Black cubes: I am currently averaging 4 packs of black cubes per 1 tier up from unique to legendary. Sometimes I spend over 200k nx, other times it takes me a minimum of 2 packs.

Red cubes: I haven't tested their tier-up rates from unique to legendary yet but I guess I'll test it out later.
Meister cubes: I've used over 200 and so far, 0 legendaries.

I won't post my exact results for master craftsman consumption but I will say I get a lot of them from many friends who also team up to help me collect the statistics. Obviously I'm not keeping their items/cubes but we're cubing together and recording the numbers. We've consumed over a thousand of these cubes and our number is resting at 18.1.

@CherryTigers: ahh, yea. I actually know how many seconds I need to wait in rest area for Infinity. But anyways you can get top 10 easily so no need to worry

[quote=noobiest123]It's been an assumption that black cubes had a higher tier up rate than red cubes since it used to say that it had a higher chance of raising your item's tier. However, nexon quietly changed the description, who knows how long ago, and now it no longer says that it has a higher tier up rate.

My question is, do they now have the same tier up rate or is the black cube still supposed to have a higher tier up chance?

I've noticed the cube drop rate, as well as the cube tier up rate, decreasing since the patches following when nexon supposedly upped their rates as well. Anyone else see this?[/quote]

based off some players who buy a lot of cubes.. the rate for black is ~5% and red is about 3% but nexon hasnt really released the actual rates so its kinda hard to say..HOWEVER the rate on master/meisters are prob ~1% around there.. reason being is because there has been significant proof by many players testing the rate.. and some dont even rank up after 100...in my personal experience ive only ranked up once over the course of hundreds of master/meisters from daily bosses

@ArchM0onL I see you've actually analyzed dojo. Gratz! I'm still in a lazy daze where i'm just randomly running through without knowing how many hits it takes to kill a certain boss.

@CherryTigers yea, thanks for your tips lol. I followed most of them and still hoarding gollux scrolls. Once my dilligence is high enough I'm gonna scroll them and that would be another 300-400k

I just leveled up all link skills, get those character card effect, and cubed for 12%matk on weapon/secondary/emblems bpots. Also put more stars on tyrants so yea, the most expensive part I have done in MT so it didnt cost me much for the rest.

I'm capping on dojo except the first boss of the five since I need some time for Infinity to warm up. Once I get TaC I can cap on all of them. Bishop has 8 lines and hits far as insane so yea, is able to save some time.

@ArchM0onL Wow since the last time I posted to you, you've gotten massive amounts of upgrades. Are you capping on a bishop already because your dojo times are matching the speed of my fire poison's now lol.

That's some godly cubing. Wish I had that happen to me. o.o

Here I am spending over 100 black cubes yesterday and not getting a single legendary.

I've personally got better results from black cubes with the latest tier up rate.

theres no actual proof behind black cubes being better than red cubes.
some people got better results out of red cubes (like me), others got better results out of black cubes.
Im sure it was just luck for people who got better results out of black cubes, not an actual higher tier up rate.

its all on luck really. but you should choose what you are feeling atm.
for me it was:
2 red cubes : epic > unique
1 red cube > unique > legendary
3 black cubes on my sub weapon : unique >unique

[quote=Crizit]My own experience in the past 2 days.
I've been cubing my Superior Pendant & Earring. I used epic 100% scrolls on both of them to save few cubes.
I'll start with earrings:
26th Cube: Unique
53th Cube: My desired stat, 21% dex.

Pendant:
20th Cube: Unique
40th Cube: Legendary
52th Cube: 21% INT
54th Cube: 21% DEX

Note: Only red cubes.[/quote]

Welp.

My experience past three days: (Both from epic)

Reinforced Ring
4th Black Cube: Unique
11th Black Cube: Legendary
11th Red Cube: 27%INT

Tyrant Hermes Belt:
4th Black Cube: Unique
7th Black Cube: Legendary
4th Red Cube: 30%INT

@noobiest123 I think it's bad luck. I also used ~50ish on my tyrant shoe and no legendary. Got it to legendary with ~60ish... o.o o.o

I think black cubes are still very decent in getting unique. I usually buy one pack of black cubes and see how far it goes.. Up to now 3 uniques (including tyrant boots) and 2 legendaries. Usually tier up to unique in 4-5 cubes. Cubing legendaries outside of MT is so expensive so I don't aim for at.

yeahhh cube rates suck LOL i just want a drop% line on my greed pendant. y nexon gonna keep me on unique after 66 black cubes

My own experience in the past 2 days.
I've been cubing my Superior Pendant & Earring. I used epic 100% scrolls on both of them to save few cubes.
I'll start with earrings:
26th Cube: Unique
53th Cube: My desired stat, 21% dex.

Pendant:
20th Cube: Unique
40th Cube: Legendary
52th Cube: 21% INT
54th Cube: 21% DEX

Note: Only red cubes.

My black cubes tier up at about the same rate as my red ones, I really don't think there's a difference anymore.

Last Miracle Time I was averaging about 5-15 black cubes per unique->leg tier up. I used roughly 200k NX on black cubes, and got 8 items to leg.