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[quote=Ownage77777]Im surprised this thread has gotten 6 pages to be honest. Err, i dont have any bad stories to share that have happened 'recently'. Some people are actually faming me for being just a lv 200 bishop while others are starting to be like hey ive seen you before you are amazing or you helped me get such and such. (which scares me a little since id rather be less noticed)[/quote]

The price of lvl 200, fame...

Its scary when people do that to me

Worse is when some demands for hs cause ur lvl 200 already...

[quote=flipboi]lol so i was at this glitched map, and there were these two attackers that thought they could handle a glitch map to themselves and they told me not to attack. so after a few min the mobs wsa getting out of controll and i asked them again if they needed help attacking and they "LOLED go ahead" and so then i started attacking... little did they know im an attacking bishop with a 56kmax range buffed and i killed everything before they could, killed the whole map within my maxed infinity. so all i did after i killed the whole map was say " =)" then i left the party lolss cause i knew it was about to be stolen in a min or two[/quote]

I wish I was there to enjoy the show

Whenever someone is a jerk about it I tell them I'm not gonna hs/bless unless they can suck it up and stop being so mean about it. If they want to argue I tell them like it is. "I'm a priest, pal. I won't have any problem finding another party at all."

Also, I don't spam heal unless it's at bosses where heal actually comes in handy. Simple training? It's not really needed.

Until you give people a reason to respect you, they won't :x
I know all of us Bishops have come across hate within our lives, and it'll never change.. We just have to deal with it, and prove how good of a class we are. Whether that be constant support, or damage (from those of you who fund yourselves).

Really, I was on my Buccaneer today and ran into a 15x Bishop who tagged along on our Von Leon Run.
He was absolutely awful, to a point he didn't know how to control his character. I'd like to believe he was one of those awful Bishops who pride themselves on being HS Mules. But regardless, in the end. He didn't listen to a word we said and [b]looted[/b] both coins from the run.

Now he was a Bishop I didn't respect, nor appreciated.. |:

So, if anybody is in Khaini and reads this, [b]never[/b] party PureHumility.
AKA: @blucalhoun:

[quote=memitaru]I don't mind if people ask for buffs, though they usually don't have to. What I can't stand is the people calling me "hs mule" or asking if I am "an hs mule or damage mage."[/quote]

smack them and say im a bishop

[quote=Deadly1337]my 129 bishop hits 30k*5... i do more damage then most classes LOL.

on my nightlord i go to people if I need a buff and ask politely, meanwhile on my bishop I tend to hang on ropes and wait, or randomly go around the map and buff people

without bishops/priests, people would be quite [insert descriptive word here ][/quote]

dead and unmotavated would work for the descriptive word

my 129 bishop hits 30k*5... i do more damage then most classes LOL.

on my nightlord i go to people if I need a buff and ask politely, meanwhile on my bishop I tend to hang on ropes and wait, or randomly go around the map and buff people

without bishops/priests, people would be quite [insert descriptive word here ]

@huyshooter: Yup, what you said. I have to agree with you

[quote=Dongha0216]Yes.
Don't forget that everybody considers us leechers.[/quote]
they don't dare call me a leecher in bera
i might just freak at them

they only think we are leechers cause a minority sits and leeches

Yes.
Don't forget that everybody considers us leechers.

[quote=Happy2Days]guys...from what I observe
I get more praise/compliments from people regarding my damage compared to other mages of my level
without infinity, I hit 200k x2. With infinity, I can reach 450 to 500k x2
that poor firejosh is in denial...[/quote]
holy o-o!

karen hits 100k higher then me with infinity and without infinity :O!

[quote=ClericBoyZ15]Bishop can be strong if funded right, but realistically any other Mage would out damage then with decent funding.
Bishop doesn't have any passive magic/damage % skills (like AMs, Evans, BaM), but its a fair trade anyways for a class
that has good buffs.[/quote]

guys...from what I observe
I get more praise/compliments from people regarding my damage compared to other mages of my level
without infinity, I hit 200k x2. With infinity, I can reach 450 to 500k x2
that poor firejosh is in denial...

[quote=firedjosh]@Tricks122: no. just no. youre probably seeing the wrong damage.[/quote]

Perhaps you're looking at people who have poured massive amounts of funding into their account and Bishops who haven't, making a large gap in DPS? Before you say my logic is wrong, find some holes in it or close YOUR hole. Your choice.

[quote=firedjosh]@Tricks122: yeah right. they're damage stinks, which makes everything hard, and if you do want to attack and go kill yourself, be my guest[/quote]

bishops killing themselves = rare o-o

and my damage does not stink :<

-hits 200ks per line of AR atm-

and hi karen ^_^

[quote=Tricks122]
Oh, curious question, if a bit off topic. Exactly how vital is MG at higher levels? I know you need it for bossing, but exactly how much HP would a Bishop have? Without HB, obviously. Just curious since I don't really need it at my level since mobs take atleast three hits to kill me and I can easily use Heal within that time.[/quote]

Elceya pretty much answered your questionl
currently at lvl 185, I have approx 4.5k (I think...approx) hp
seriously losing exp is a pain in the @#$%
for me, anything hitting 500+, I'm using MG for sure.
Never trust the server with all those lag spikes

@firedjosh: poor little jeally kid
funny thing I'm always recruited as a main attacker in lhc

@firedjosh It's called funding. Their DPS actually isn't as horrible as it seems. Simply because it's lower than most other classes that don't bring buffs to the table doesn't mean it's bad. Advanced Blessing alone brings a HUGE amount of damage potential to the table and a Bishop attacking while taking advantage of that while keeping buffs up consistently(Making for less time wasted walking for buffs) is a good increase in killing speed.

A Bishop's overall damage is far from bad. Solo wise? Probably. Party wise? One of the best, IMHO.

Ah, I see. Sorry for the newb question, the only Mage I had was like, back when Aqua wasn't even out and wondering if it had changed. I guess I'll be getting as much Willpower as I can then, just in case something happens to change

@huyshooter: thanks . i'll try to pay them no mind, but does that mean they're pity worthy? haha!

[quote=Tricks122]@Elceya Unfortunately, if it gave better exp perhaps I'd be more inclined to do it. I don't mind pouring pot funds into a Bishop, with massive MP stores(I think I've got more MP than my Bucc at level 60) and little need for HP potions, I think I'll do fine just using the potions my Bucc SHOULD'VE used if he wasn't a Bucc on my Cleric/Priest/Bishop. When I said "Funds" I was leaning more towards actual equipment, since damage is generally an issue for me. I just tend to prefer doing some form of decent damage, although I don't mind dealing low damage. It's just I hate it when I train slow as hell because of it.

Oh, curious question, if a bit off topic. Exactly how vital is MG at higher levels? I know you need it for bossing, but exactly how much HP would a Bishop have? Without HB, obviously. Just curious since I don't really need it at my level since mobs take atleast three hits to kill me and I can easily use Heal within that time.[/quote]
mg is still vital , i wish it wasn't so i can save mp in areas (like potlock maps) at lvl 173 i have ... 3333 hp... luls

with advance bless and decent hb it would go up to about .. 5.6k ish

@Elceya Unfortunately, if it gave better exp perhaps I'd be more inclined to do it. I don't mind pouring pot funds into a Bishop, with massive MP stores(I think I've got more MP than my Bucc at level 60) and little need for HP potions, I think I'll do fine just using the potions my Bucc SHOULD'VE used if he wasn't a Bucc on my Cleric/Priest/Bishop. When I said "Funds" I was leaning more towards actual equipment, since damage is generally an issue for me. I just tend to prefer doing some form of decent damage, although I don't mind dealing low damage. It's just I hate it when I train slow as hell because of it.

Oh, curious question, if a bit off topic. Exactly how vital is MG at higher levels? I know you need it for bossing, but exactly how much HP would a Bishop have? Without HB, obviously. Just curious since I don't really need it at my level since mobs take atleast three hits to kill me and I can easily use Heal within that time.

[quote=TribalEMP]i'm not even a bishop, and that makes me mad. i made a cleric, anybody that orders me around is gonna get attitude from me![/quote]

Welcome to bishop class tree then

As for those people, just ignore them

I mean if they cant even pot correctly by then... They are not worth it

[quote=NoobLuvMoney]At title says, I hate it when people don't respect bishops.
We aren't made just for h.s. / bless / heal! We can fight whenever we want! >.<

Went to Monster Park. They keep on telling me to heal. I do heal! But what's the point of potions then? >.<
When I buff, they are all over the place! They should know when a bishop is buffing. We hang onto a rope/ladder
Party members were so mean. "bishops are made for h.s.!"
Someone called me a "nub healer"
Okay. So, just because you're not there when I heal means that I am a nub healer? Get potions dude. They're not expensive.

There was a DK in the party. When they ask for hb it's "hb plz"
and when talking to me, it's "hs" "heal" "bless"
And I DO bless/heal/h.s. =_=
Umm... okay. i see how it is.

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i'm not even a bishop, and that makes me mad. i made a cleric, anybody that orders me around is gonna get attitude from me!

[quote=firedjosh]Bishs'... dont complain, you have nothing else to do...[/quote]

Coming from a CK, I can't help but find this funny. I'm honestly not sure if you're being serious or not, but either way, your comment isn't even justified nor proven. If Bishops were meant ONLY to buff, Heal wouldn't damage the Undead, Magic Claw would be disabled when you advanced to Cleric, Holy Arrow, Shining Ray, Angel Ray, Genesis and whatever other attack skills they have wouldn't exist...

They have attacking skills, they can attack. Your logic has failed.

@Elceya Bah, Heal exp doesn't seem to get much better then... Ah well, c'est la vie, I guess. Although I guess it kind of sucks since I was kind of expecting for funds to have no effect on my future Bishop whatsoever, but I guess it's going to somewhat affect my training speed and force me to Zak(Never drops the books I need >_&gt. Good to know in advance, I guess.

[quote=Elceya]@Tricks122: Healing at higher levels, you basically get like 100 exp for each heal. Totally not worth it compared to the amount you can get by helping to kill a monster. The only times I spam heal would be if the majority of the party can't heal fast enough when they're fighting (I don't mind healing when most people need it, but I won't usually spam it if only one person needs it.) or if I'm in a mob of undead monsters which I can help heal people at the same time and kill monsters. Efficiency is key for me as well. ^^

@huyshooter: +100 points for the secret evil laugh I hear. Hahah! I totally agree. I'm falling in love with Holy Magic Shell more than Heal. Although, Heal is a nice second when Shell is on its cooldown. ^^[/quote]

how u hear that laugh :o!

And I wish the huge amounts of hits doesnt break shell

O wells, it lasts 30 seconds with buff mastery + maxed infinity = wonderful heal and keeps u alive/ potless even when zombify or seduced

[quote=Elceya]Hmm.. but realistically, I don't like being categorized as a Healing Bishop anyway. D: lol. I prefer... uber awesome Bishop that resurrects me from the dead. Hahaha.

I wasn't really trying to argue with you, I apologize if you thought that. I usually like seeing both sides of everything. When I'm on other non-Bishop characters, I rather miss heal so I know the points some people like to make about HS-slaves and whatnot. However, as a Bishop for a main character, I don't like being seen just as a healer. It sort of belittles the awesome class to nothing but a potion station when we have so many other awesome skills. I mean Advanced Bless now? It gives us Bishops that used to covet hyper body to something where we're like... meh... we don't really need hyper body as muchhhhhh as we did before. And the Holy Magic Shell skill where I can now protect my party for a certain amount of hits. I rather think those skills outshine Heal sometimes. However, Heal is one of my favorite skills because I love to heal myself. I'd rather keep my favorite skill to myself unless I feel nice enough to share. *evil laughs*[/quote]

+50 for the evil laugh

I personally like holy shell more then heal and reserve that for peoples being seduced etc during boss runs
i prefer training solo but in parties I think
of buffs + support when needed then outright attacking for more exp and to kill w/e it is faster

The only times I refuse to attack and focus 100% on parties is when im in
Cht (i spam mg and keep a look out for the parties wellfare)
or empress (trying to keep everyone alive and time damage reflect)

Now if its someone I hate.... Thats a different story

@Simpliciti In my honest opinion, and this is only my own, efficiency is speed. The damage a Bishop is going to pump out is, according to DPS charts superior to Buccaneers, that's still a lot of damage. Again, people at this point should be able to potion. There's nothing wrong with tossing in a few Heals now and then, but I personally find that that would contribute less damage to the party, and so make you less efficient(Again, in my opinion). The only time I need to stop attacking to pot is after a 1/1, since you can use a potion while attacking to eliminate/vastly decrease the time spent potting. Potting is really second nature to most people and a lot of classes have skills that keep them alive easily(Combo Drain, Blood Drain, Energy Drain, Drain, ect).

Attacking all the time leads to shorter kills which leads to less potions used. That's better, in my honest opinion, than having to use less potions but take a longer time killing.

@Elceya I totally agree. I miss Heal when I'm not on my Cleric, and when I'm on any other class I positively love it. Although I'm not sure how much exp you get for Healing at higher levels, I really think attacking provides more exp(Correct me if I'm wrong, the only time I spam Heal on my Cleric is if people tend to stand on mobs so they take more damage and I get consistent Heal exp). That's why I think Bishops and such should attack, it's more efficient from my point of view. Although I could be a little biased, Buccaneers and Paladins(The two classes I have at 4th job, level 158 and 124 respectively) use very little potions and avoid tons of damage. For another class, perhaps it's more useful.

I also agree I really do prefer the buffs Bishops bring to the table more than Healing. I'd rather have Advanced Bless, Holy Symbol and Holy Magic Shield more than Heal. Even if I could replace one with Heal, don't think I would.

@Simpliciti After 120+ levels of training I expect you to be able to use potions on your own. Otherwise, you're useless without me spamming Heal and so I'd rather get another player since they'd be more of an asset. I mean really, there's no reason for you to be sloppy with your potions. Pot locked areas? Yea, Heal there. Otherwise, you can generally Heal on your own. I spam Heal on my Cleric because I CHOOSE to(Obviously this is when people are being hit consistently). If a Priest or Bishop chooses not to Heal in order to improve their Exp/Hour or simply Exp, who the hell am I to say "No, Heal me when I can use potions PERFECTLY FINE".

They should use their buffs, but in no way are they forced to Heal. Healing doesn't contribute DPS, attacking does. This is why a Bishop can get away without healing but a BM can't. I mean really, if you can't pot properly at 120+, you're doing it wrong.

As a drk I get annoyed if some1 starts saying hb pls-_-
I constantly hb every1= no asking, but to bad not every1 is like me and keep their buffs up.
If they want ur buffs then they should come to u then.

I always ask them politely to sayplease when asking for Hs.
If they dont ask politely i dont hs.

@hushooter Oh, definitely. In pot lock areas I'd expect them to Heal since it's one of the few ways you can get around the pot lock/denial. It's kind of expected. There are some times when Bishops don't Holy Shell me, but I mean... I'm generally that guy who runs away from the group and does his own thing. So long as when I come up and ask for HS you give it to me(And I say "HS please"+"TY&quot, I really don't care what you do. If you want to Holy Shell the whole group but me, that's fine. I accept that consequence and it's not really impacting anyone negatively.

[quote=Tricks122]While I don't have a Priest/Bishop, I am making one(Not even a Cleric tho ) and I think a lot of Maplers assume since you're the class with the most party buffs, you're obligated to buff them. While I do agree you should share buffs, this goes for all classes, and you should respect those who do buff properly. There's a big difference between Buffing and Healing. I probably won't Heal as a Cleric because honestly, if you can't keep YOUR own HP above 0, I'm not going to do it for you. When you rely on someone to keep you alive it shows that you can't keep yourself alive.

I never rely on Bishops/Priests/Clerics to Heal me because if it's MY responsibility to keep MYSELF alive. Not the Healer's. Bishops have enough problems already without having to get blamed for every idiot's death when it's not their fault.[/quote]

nicely said I think most peoples cant pot when they scream HEAL! And I say heal ur self

But we should heal a bit in pot lock maps (thats when ur responsible for their deaths unless they get 1hkoed)

example
it is my fault if I use holy shell around my self , sit, and watch peoples I hate
die in pot lock areas such as von leon

(but its fun to do )

While I don't have a Priest/Bishop, I am making one(Not even a Cleric tho ) and I think a lot of Maplers assume since you're the class with the most party buffs, you're obligated to buff them. While I do agree you should share buffs, this goes for all classes, and you should respect those who do buff properly. There's a big difference between Buffing and Healing. I probably won't Heal as a Cleric because honestly, if you can't keep YOUR own HP above 0, I'm not going to do it for you. When you rely on someone to keep you alive it shows that you can't keep yourself alive.

I never rely on Bishops/Priests/Clerics to Heal me because if it's MY responsibility to keep MYSELF alive. Not the Healer's. Bishops have enough problems already without having to get blamed for every idiot's death when it's not their fault.

there was this one party i was with. the highest part member, 18x BaM would say thank you after EVERY buff i gave him. made me happy as for the rest of the party...they just kept asking for HS and bless. one guy said that cleric/priests/bishops are only for support and their job is to give other members HS and bless. I would have left instantly if it weren't for that BaM...

[quote=Sarenkai0]WOW it's like they were treating you like some kind of dog , I really hate it when they just act like that >.>;, like I mean really? the class isn't some super machine with 18 arms that can just heal and do your bidding you wherever you go. . . the ones playing it are humans. . . So ridiculous how some people can't have the common sense to see that.[/quote]

Majority of others dont see other characters as players

Just leave them

i agree. i like buffing and healing but sometimes i want to hit monsters too

They cant pot by 4th job

Oh, how maple has fallen

@MataIyasu, true dat, exactly what he said, you don't need to stay in that party, just tell them to eff off and quit then find another party, it should take less than 3mins for you to find another pt at BWs or Crockies :O

[quote=Kingbrawl]if someone was rude to me i quit and say f u and get another bishop you pricks [/quote]

I shall say that from now on
No one shall be rude to bishops and can get away with it!

It's how supports are in every game pretty much. There'll always be jerks who just assume you can be constantly healing/buffing them, and if they do something stupid and get killed, guess who they blame? You. xD

So sad to hear.. and annoying..
I never met yet someone who disrespect me as a 'Priest'
but I guess its becouse I never give things...
I mean... if I train at MP3 and someone sees me and says: Party? I said: Nah.. I dont feel like HS or Bless you...
and no one talked to me like that like: "HS!" "HEAL!" or anything like that..

and I guess you should have leave this party.. or just DONT HEAL THEM! dont buff.. buff urself!

tell the peoples who demand heal to pot themselves
i mean they are 4th jobs now... they should be able to pot

I recently made a cleric just to see how bad it is... And it is very bad. I feel sorry for you guys

[quote=TroiSky]I know how you feel): it just annoys me ! Don't you just hate it when you come overto them to buff but they just run off and get out of your range ? Some people on MS are just plain stupid . It's not your fault):[/quote]

I hate it! After taking so much damage just so that I can buff them, they run away!
As if they're doing it to annoy us

I had the same experience in Monster Park today. 'Heal use' 'Heal use' Why can't I attack? I buff regularly, and basically heal after every two attacks. That's why I never train now unless it's with my guild

I know how you feel): it just annoys me ! Don't you just hate it when you come overto them to buff but they just run off and get out of your range ? Some people on MS are just plain stupid . It's not your fault):

[quote=Ellinia]I would've just left the party. Then they'd realize what they were taking advantage of.[/quote]

I actually left after they said those words. They could kiss my behind good-bye for being so mean

I would've just left the party. Then they'd realize what they were taking advantage of.