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@NeedDispenser True.. But many people would join it, many new people would like to experience how it was 7 years ago.. It won't be that dead for sure, I think it might take a good 30% of the population of MapleStoryers and NEXON won't lose money because people would buy NX on it, as I mentioned, it will be Maple that started from the beginning..

@SnailPoo Glad you're buddy!

with ya Omar!

[quote=MerchantChebi]i played ms when scania was out then stopped. then came back just a few weeks after broa came out. So i've been around for a while now, and i'll say this, back then, it was boring. Slow leveling, slow training, slow mobility, and slow gameplay. Noting I liked at all. Maybe because I like everything fast, or maybe because i just hated grinding at dark/mixed golems and coolies, but the old ms is something i can do without.

It was in-efficient in many ways. Pq's took longer than it need to be. hell, the wait for luid pq avg up to 40 minutes; sometimes longer if they mess up on the last map before alishar. The rewards for the pq themselves were crap honestly. i mean.. 40 min wait just to pq (if you don't miss), and another 40 min doing the pq is just not worth the time and effort.

Then training was just a bore. Monsters hit higher than it should be hitting. I remember going to himes on my drk and probably survive up to 3 hits before dying. THREE hits, and i'm a freaking warrior for crying out loud WITH HB. again, in-efficient.

Then bossing itself was a challenge. For example, most people couldn't pap efficiently until they were 130. Well, for my drk that is. But i have known that mages and thieves had an ABSOLUTELY hard time with pap even at 14x because pap's damage and the bombs were such a pain to handle. Not to mention zak, which actually needed to be bomb with MILLIONS of meso. in-efficient.

Don't get me wrong, I do like challenges when i play games, but lets face it, the old MS asked for a LOT just to really enjoy the game back then. Cost of pot, the huge grind fests, and the wait time for just traveling to different locations took its toll. Everything to me was in-efficient.[/quote]

Okay.. You're right in nearly everything, but I just miss the old Maple.. When I walk in henesys now I feel sad and depressed that time passed through very quickly and everything changed, like the game's concepts changed and stuff.
Thanks for telling your opinion by the way.
@CoIorIess Thanks for your support!

A game needs to change, by making new events.
I don't see why we needed Big Bang.. Maybe because we need those bad ass Mechanics? or they really cool wild hunters?
Or that easy peasy leveling up speed?

To whoever doesn't know how to read, I NEVER SAID TO REMOVE OR CHANGE THE CURRENT GAME. I WANT A NEW SERVER THAT IS THE VERSION OF ONE OF THE OLDEST VERSIONS IN MS.
@WearCity Don't jump to assumptions son, I never "wined" or whatever, all the thread is about is some people (not alll obviously) wants to re-experience old Maple, and I do clearly still play the current Maple, please read before posting because clearly you just read the title and then had this on ur mind (OMG HES A WINER HE HATES NEW MAPEL AND I GOT THAT PRO ITEMS AND % PRO ITEMS AND GODLY ATTACK STOOF).

@AlexFlores55 read before posting, and what makes me stupid? I never said to remove the current server.. I like the storyline too, but I WANT TO PLAY THE OLD SERVER AGAIN and put effort into it without being scared that it gets removed someday.

To everyone who is going to post, please read what I write before quoting and jumping to insults and extremely rude quotes.

[quote=Orascom]@Nevrone What's fun about getting to 200 in 3 days? I honestly don't get that.
@Pereeia You're a bandwagoner, I see that you've made a DS, that's prove enough. I bet you'll quit you're DS when Justice patch comes.[/quote]

So, you think everyone's going to quit their DS? O.o That makes no sense.

@UnSmooth:

It's the same THING. Nobody is going to play, maybe like a handful of people, and it's not going to be the same no matter how far back you go because it's the people who made the game, the people you talked to and hung out with. People have changed, they're not so nice anymore; just because you go to an "old" server it's not going to change the people.

Another whiner about past maple story If you guys can't handle a game changing then good luck in life

A game needs change for it to survive.

that's not new maple, it's just basically the old maple....

Maplestory was just fun back then, because you or any of us didn't know anything about maple so we asked people for help and became friends with them but now since that time has changed and most of us know all there is about maplestory. We don't need to ask people for help in the game or take the boats and be noobs. <3 not that, that wasn't fun and all to do because it was, but its just memories you had back than that made it seem better in all fairness it was bad back than. </3

[quote=ThePurist]UGh another one of those old maple threads didn't we already go over this 10000000000000 times?[/quote]

Every so often someone has to try to impress everyone by point out how long they've been playing this video game. The easiest way to "date drop" is to start a threads talking about how much better things were when you started playing in 200X.

What, you mean you're not impressed by someone who has been playing an online game for more years than you? I know I personally can't think of anything more admirable.

Changes happen

Yeah! Video games were never meant to change! Doing the same thing over and over again is the most fun thing imaginable and will surely result in a large user base and huge profits.

In fact, freezing something in time 7 years ago doesn't go far enough. They should revert back to the days of Pong and be done with it. Nothing has ever improved since Pong. All games should simply be Pong.

Do me a favor- if you ever decide to start an entertainment company and you take it public, please let me know. I'll make a fortune shorting that stock.

The only things that really changed are the jobs/skills, training maps and the exp curve.

And this is because the community asked for it.

I'm so tired of people blaming Nexon for it when all of you guys asked for this stuff. The game hasn't changed, the community has and even if we went back to the "old" way it'd be way worse 'cause then people are always going to complain and be total jerkfaces- not like it isn't like that now.

I've played since I was 12, and I'm 17 now so I have seen a lot of drastic change but mostly within the people who played. I think you guys should just let go of that 'cause first of all you're not going to get it, and secondly because the only thing "great" about the old maple was just the people we played with. Going back to the old maple isn't going to make it the same.

[quote=BlastBUM]All i want is the exp curve changed. Wayy too easy to level. I miss when being level 70+ was an accomplishment -_-[/quote]

accomplishment is a perspective. to me getting past 120 is an accomplishment even though everyone else does it in 3 days

[quote=Ouhai]Eh, while I do miss old Maple, I actually do like the current Maple abit:

Here me out on my stand:
Since 2005, I've been a mage. Do you know what that meant back then? Mages always had laughable damage compared to sins/wariors/ and even archers, they were disrespected for being too weak, and unless you were a cleric/priest you had almost no chance of getting into pqs/parties if you were a mage.
More specifically, f/p mages because even i/ls were better off providing mob attacks earlier and being able to freeze. What did f/ps get? a single target move for all of 2nd job and a status that was very useless back then. Even though there were the Pwizard sets, no one wanted to try them out. Then in 3rd job, f/ps get poison mist, a skill that makes them level about 2x/3x faster than every other class, but useless everywhere else. To make matters worse when things resisted poison back then, they REALLY resisted the poison status entirely. And even when 4th job came out, all that the mages had going for them was a spammable ultimate, which to me was the most boring thing I've ever heard. (which is why I never shot to reach 4th job pre BB). Plus do you know it was that spamable ultimates that caused mages to bring the concept of selling leeches more frequently and what caused many,many bishops to sell hs and leech?

So being a mage, I had literally nothing to shoot for. I mean, it took me over 3 months to reach from lvl 50-70 back then. when I got poison mist, sure leveing was fast, but it got so boring to me. All while STILL being laughed at for my damage. "Oh you can only hit 6k on fire weak monsters but up to 4k on everything else at lvl 83? Man I can hit 5k on everything at level 74 because I'm a sin/drk" So I had no choice but to play not for leveling but for whatever I wanted to do. That meant exploring areas, doing quests, hunting random items, and just going around talking to people or helping them in some way.

Nowadays, do you know what I got from all the updates and stuff? Many new places to explores, new quests to do, able to do party quests ever since I out grew the last on at lvl 80, and more importantly: firepower. After YEARS of being the weakest of the weak (especially back then, the funding it took for a mage to be on par with every other class would have mad everyone else about 3x stronger) and laughed at, I finally get granted the power I need to actually BOSS for once. Not to mention the most useless status I wield became the most important and valuable trait which I could ever wield. And mainly it's not even because that I "hit high damage" but it's the fact that I can finally get involved in more things. Things that I could have never done before. It went from "high level F/p mage on a zak run? kick him out and get a priest" to "get the f/p mage! quick!" You know I was never even close to getting a zhelm back then? It was either pay to get one or make a new class. Plus even now with all the potentials, % stuff, and damage, I STILL run around random places, do quests, party quests, talking to random folks, helping people, etc. Sure it's easy to level but is anyone forcing you to level? No. Even though the community isn't as close as it was in the past, does that mean EVERYONE sucks? No, there are nice people out there who share the insights and memories of old maple, you just have to actually look for them because chances are, they too aren't focused on leveling but rather doing things on the side. The best thing you can do now?

Short version:
Old maple for me = having fun and doing whatever I want, while getting no respect for being a mage and having no strength, causing me to miss out on so much. (Nicer people? Maybe for you but no one was as nice for mages back then)

New maple = a revamp of my class, opens up all the things I couldn't do in the past, opens up even more new things I could do all while still being able to do whatever I want and not focus on damage (because I don't). (The public community of average people sure are terrible but the community of veteran players are way nicer now and I actually get respect as a mage for once)

Do i miss the memories the old maple brought? Yes, but do I despise every single thing about new maple? No. Take it from someone whose played for nothing but fun as a lesser class since the very beginning when I say that new maple isn't always as bad as it seems. you just gotta stop with level grinding at LHC or merching for potentials in the public world and go out there and really dig around to find a much nicer community within the muck of the public community.

It's like how even in the most ugliest and barren of landscapes, secrets and fabulous riches can be found within the soil.[/quote]

Actually, IIRC mages trained MUCH faster than warriors did. In fact warriors had HORRID mobility meaning that they trained VERY slowly. I don't think mages were that weak back then either. I'm pretty sure white knights had it the worst in the training department. And that PQ part... you NEEDED at least one mage for LPQ.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that warriors didn't get any attack skills at all during 2nd job. Spearmen were stuck with powerstrike/slashblast til 3rd job and fighters/pages were using powerstrike/slash blast to train til 4th job.

[quote=UnSmooth]Well, Pizza Slices often get closed and such, if NEXON actually launched her own server it would be much better, plus they'll take of events and such. It's like restarting MapleStory all over again!
And about that hackers and botters thing, they weren't that much if I remember correctly when I first played which was Summer of 2006, it was like 3-4 I've seen in my whole career at that time.
Now their are specialized websites and many new releases for hacks and such, which is completely unbearable.
I just want the story to start from the beginning but I mean why don't they keep that big old training camp? Did you know that their were Campers (some kind of tutorial character) that were training there? I was one of them and it was super fun! Plus that ol' big Maple Island! I don't mind Pirates nor 4th, I've changed some of my new opinions lately, and seen that their is quite [b]few[/b] updates that kind of, well, annoyed me. Such as Big Bang and release of the Resistance and how Mechanics had such overpowered skills.[/quote]
Buddy, i started Loooong ago. It was fun not going to lie, and im sure alot of old players know what you mean and would love to travel back in time and reexperience it. But its time to change~

I too played a bit after Beta (v.03 I believe), but I like post bb in better in terms of many things especially leveling speed. However I did enjoy the community much better back then, like you said boat rides to Orbis being absolutely packed, the cash shop button simply doing nothing, dpm not mattering and simply getting into a fun party at HHG1.

[quote=UnSmooth]I never said that we change the current MapleStory. I meant a new version for the people who wants to play the old classical maple.
We're humans, it's common for us to have different opinions, even if 2006 is not that old or whatever, I want those days and those are old enough for some people who joined on late 2008 and so on.[/quote]

But your missing the point.

Maple wasn't completely ruined by major patches. Obviously the game was changed a bit and to say it was ruined is an opinion. To say it was ruined by hackers (lol100000whitescrolls) is a fact.

Hackers have gotten better over the years and have become more public. History will just repeat it self. New 'classic' maple story server will open, hackers bomb NLC gach for WS. GG maple. FM shop hacks will b back. People will QQ at FM, so take that out. People will QQ how everyone will be hitting super high damage, no one will be able to do anything with all the vac hackers botting in every map. Auto clicker will be back so PQ is out of the question. End of classical maple. LOL seriously if you played old maple you would remember all those annoying moments. Now imagine with todays hackers, even WORSE.

Its just not worth the time.

If you want to play classical maple, google how to make PMS and just make a v55 server lol. and just advertise it XD

While I do miss old maple, I can't say I agree with you.
Nexon keeps its players by changing and adding content.

I played since beta when I was a kid grade 4 lol (I'm graduated from high school now, 1st year uni), but tbh I like the 'new' maplestory more than the 'old' maplestory.

1.) 1-200 Honestly people say its not even a challenge, are people that aren't even level 200 lol (true fact, every basil poster that keeps saying its 'level 200 too ez' isn't even 200). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its hard nor easy either

2.) IMO the reason for everything being so easy is because of hackers first botting, then duping, and constantly hacking people. Opening a new server that's old maple wont change especially when you say no to 'big bang'. 1st white scroll turns up, hacker will dupe it and GG to maple all over again; instead of people like eckoz and duping and holding all the godly gear, it's going to be massively distributed like it is now. Pre-bb would just mean people paying 20k nx for 4 hours of leech at skeles/ newts/ harps from bishops [So fun leeching right?]

3.) No major updates = boring and outdated gameplay

4.) IMO potential gear helped the 'less fortunate' players more than the 'fortunate' (talking about in game not in RL). You can get 6~12% Stat gear with mesos legitly easy. % stat is cheaper than ATT gear (not counting weapon ) so before the people that we're super weak are actually half decent (able to hit 200k+ damage), while the godly went from like 200k to 500k / damage cap. Which is imo why the damage cap will never be increased (to help the large majority or maplers that arn't going to spend 10000$ on a freakin 2d pixel game).

There is so many reasons why new maple is better than old maple, and the direction it is going, its going good.

I'd rather grind 12 hours to get to level 140 and enjoy 4th job skills and chill w/ friends + boss + do every pq possible now than waste 12 months spending 2k nx a day on 2x exp and wasting 12 hours a day trying to get 10% and waste time talking non sense about how I cant level.

Remember this? YES LEVEL 120. NO TT NOW GOTTA SPEND 50m on TT10. *slits wrist*

Mark of the Beta doesn't mean you played during Beta, fyi. It was obtainable in Gachapon soon after we went to OMS.

I've seen Maplestory through, literally, every stage of its life. And trust me, it's much better now than it was then. Before, a lot of the things they forced you to do were unnecessary. If you can get to Lv200 in three days nowadays, you are still putting a lot of effort into the game anyways. Most of the people who complain about how easy it is to level now, were not even high level during Beta.

wow more of this "remember the old days " ( you know no one cares if you played back in 05 that just tells everyone you still don't have a life and a gf )Just think about it you say you played back then but only 1% well believe you the other 99% well ya ignore you and look at you with dead eyes not because there jelly just because no one cares ( its just like the saying goes "if some one dies only the ones that know him care the rest just live there life like nothing happened" )

1) This game has always been about damage and fast leveling. The masses of dexless sins proved that, followed by I/L mages as the second most popular class.

2) If MapleStory never received any major updates, it would be practically dead by now.

3) I like exploring new maps as much as anybody, but c'mon... You're acting like there was something new to look for every day. You spent an hour or two going out to explore, then right back to the same old grind on the same old maps. Everyone pining for the good old days says there are less maps than before, but how come back then I got KSed on a daily basis by dexless sins in Bera, but now, I can find alternate maps to train on at almost any level?

Some people just have to find something to cry about.

[quote=Grodon156]Runescape has a Runescape classic on it, (At least it used to) So why shouldn't maple.
I agree with you.[/quote]

Keyword is "used to". Why doesn't it have it now?

[quote=Dashin]I'd like it, a lot, if they reversed Big Bang. The new UI is [i]disgusting[/i], the maps are terribly small, there are more hackers than [i]ever[/i] and the challenge is gone. Why is it that there are now 200 DS? It took the Pre-BB 200's YEARS to get to 200.

It's ridiculous.[/quote]

It'd be piss boring to play a game with no major updates.

I'd like it, a lot, if they reversed Big Bang. The new UI is [i]disgusting[/i], the maps are terribly small, there are more hackers than [i]ever[/i] and the challenge is gone. Why is it that there are now 200 DS? It took the Pre-BB 200's YEARS to get to 200.

It's ridiculous.

@xSnipe14xx I want a new Maple. I'm not complaining, I just want a new maple server.
@DragonGaurd Yeah, but I mean like in 2005-2006 it wasn't about that!

This is like the 90's. They were awesome, and it was great, but time must go on.

All i want is the exp curve changed. Wayy too easy to level. I miss when being level 70+ was an accomplishment -_-

Why was it always dragon knights?

@Nevrone What's fun about getting to 200 in 3 days? I honestly don't get that.
@Pereeia You're a bandwagoner, I see that you've made a DS, that's prove enough. I bet you'll quit you're DS when Justice patch comes.

@Orascom: LOL, just because I play a new class that just came out doesn't mean I bandwagon jobs. I play this class because I enjoy it. Get your facts straight.

Eh, while I do miss old Maple, I actually do like the current Maple abit:

Here me out on my stand:
Since 2005, I've been a mage. Do you know what that meant back then? Mages always had laughable damage compared to sins/wariors/ and even archers, they were disrespected for being too weak, and unless you were a cleric/priest you had almost no chance of getting into pqs/parties if you were a mage.
More specifically, f/p mages because even i/ls were better off providing mob attacks earlier and being able to freeze. What did f/ps get? a single target move for all of 2nd job and a status that was very useless back then. Even though there were the Pwizard sets, no one wanted to try them out. Then in 3rd job, f/ps get poison mist, a skill that makes them level about 2x/3x faster than every other class, but useless everywhere else. To make matters worse when things resisted poison back then, they REALLY resisted the poison status entirely. And even when 4th job came out, all that the mages had going for them was a spammable ultimate, which to me was the most boring thing I've ever heard. (which is why I never shot to reach 4th job pre BB). Plus do you know it was that spamable ultimates that caused mages to bring the concept of selling leeches more frequently and what caused many,many bishops to sell hs and leech?

So being a mage, I had literally nothing to shoot for. I mean, it took me over 3 months to reach from lvl 50-70 back then. when I got poison mist, sure leveing was fast, but it got so boring to me. All while STILL being laughed at for my damage. "Oh you can only hit 6k on fire weak monsters but up to 4k on everything else at lvl 83? Man I can hit 5k on everything at level 74 because I'm a sin/drk" So I had no choice but to play not for leveling but for whatever I wanted to do. That meant exploring areas, doing quests, hunting random items, and just going around talking to people or helping them in some way.

Nowadays, do you know what I got from all the updates and stuff? Many new places to explores, new quests to do, able to do party quests ever since I out grew the last on at lvl 80, and more importantly: firepower. After YEARS of being the weakest of the weak (especially back then, the funding it took for a mage to be on par with every other class would have mad everyone else about 3x stronger) and laughed at, I finally get granted the power I need to actually BOSS for once. Not to mention the most useless status I wield became the most important and valuable trait which I could ever wield. And mainly it's not even because that I "hit high damage" but it's the fact that I can finally get involved in more things. Things that I could have never done before. It went from "high level F/p mage on a zak run? kick him out and get a priest" to "get the f/p mage! quick!" You know I was never even close to getting a zhelm back then? It was either pay to get one or make a new class. Plus even now with all the potentials, % stuff, and damage, I STILL run around random places, do quests, party quests, talking to random folks, helping people, etc. Sure it's easy to level but is anyone forcing you to level? No. Even though the community isn't as close as it was in the past, does that mean EVERYONE sucks? No, there are nice people out there who share the insights and memories of old maple, you just have to actually look for them because chances are, they too aren't focused on leveling but rather doing things on the side. The best thing you can do now?

Short version:
Old maple for me = having fun and doing whatever I want, while getting no respect for being a mage and having no strength, causing me to miss out on so much. (Nicer people? Maybe for you but no one was as nice for mages back then)

New maple = a revamp of my class, opens up all the things I couldn't do in the past, opens up even more new things I could do all while still being able to do whatever I want and not focus on damage (because I don't). (The public community of average people sure are terrible but the community of veteran players are way nicer now and I actually get respect as a mage for once)

Do i miss the memories the old maple brought? Yes, but do I despise every single thing about new maple? No. Take it from someone whose played for nothing but fun as a lesser class since the very beginning when I say that new maple isn't always as bad as it seems. you just gotta stop with level grinding at LHC or merching for potentials in the public world and go out there and really dig around to find a much nicer community within the muck of the public community.

It's like how even in the most ugliest and barren of landscapes, secrets and fabulous riches can be found within the soil.

[quote=Orascom]@MagiBombchu People didn't care about damage back then, people just wanted to level, their were no 26 attack SCG and the super 206% STR Paladins and such.
It was all about leveling and challenge![/quote]

Sorry but [b]they did care about damage. People always cared about damaged. If you ever played maple before you would know caring about damage was always in maple. So looks like you didn't really play maple before all the major updates..[/b]

[quote=Orascom]Exactly! Did you see those merchs and stuff that just cares about gaining mesos and such?
You do know guys that NEXON [b]can[/b] actually make a new server if people are demanding it, I bet over 40% of the current GMS would go play that new MapleStory.[/quote]
Yes they can, but they won't.

[quote=KnightLHB]True, but people are 'acting' more hostile is the result of greedy and accessibility, which is ultimately what I believe all TSs are saying.[/quote]

Exactly! Did you see those merchs and stuff that just cares about gaining mesos and such?
You do know guys that NEXON can actually make a new server if people are demanding it, I bet over 40% of the current GMS would go play that new MapleStory.

[quote=MagiBombchu]The boats were never fun. Never. It waas 10+ minutes of wasted time.

Honestly, things change. That's how life is. Stop clinging to the past. Old maple was boring at level 40+.

Not to mention people have ALWAYS cared about damage. Take off your nostalgia goggles if you think otherwise.[/quote]
True, but people are 'acting' more hostile is the result of greedy and accessibility, which is ultimately what I believe all TSs are saying.

Edit: Place a sign saying 'No Security' in-front of your house in a neighbourhood filled with offenders. The reason why this analogy is applicable, is because the 'atmosphere' is found to be a 'negative' by the community.

@MagiBombchu People didn't care about damage back then, people just wanted to level, their were no 26 attack SCG and the super 206% STR Paladins and such.
It was all about leveling and challenge!

If only they`d do it