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DK's hands down! Let's also not forget about link skills as well. With the right link skills from other characters Dk's can be real nasty tanks.

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Ikr? Looking at this thread, im laughing hard at every post lmao.

You guys need to actually USE a Hero and a Dark knight. I started out as a Hero because people kept saying they are the best warriors, but I got so bored from their main attack skills. At level 105 I changed my class to a dark knight. They honestly do more damage than Heroes and their skills are alot more fun. Gungnir Descent beats Heroes by damage. I seen it and used it.

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Best? Heroes.
The coolest? Pfft. Dark Knights, as always.

While, sure, the gap between them might be filled to some point, Dark Knights will still be behind. Hero is the class that focuses on pure damage output. Of course we'll be behind.

[quote=lazershock]This, heroes should always be on top of the explorer warriors
However, Darks arn't NEARLY as far behind as they were pre-revamp I believe Gungnir Descent comes somewhere close to like only being BARELY (and I mean like, 50% away) under Xenon (with blade dancing) DPS wise without getting any stronger, if it gets any stronger when the revamp is actually released it could change. Also berserk and Crossover chains damage boost arn't multipliers anymore so they're calculated strangely, but if either one of them get changed back to a multipliers our damage jumps from 10000 (currently without any multipliers) to like 13000 %/s actually putting us ABOVE pre-revamp heroes (who sit at 12.5k / s); though im not sure how much of a revamp heroes got damage wise (as in how much they actually went up since from what I understand not much changed about them) waiting for official revamp releases before I make any judgements.[/quote]

Note, the calcs i did are during the 30 seconds you can spam gungnir, the remaining 90secs youd be using impale. So in short, i was comparing gungnir vs impale spam for the seconds you can actually spam gungnir. That isnt near as deep as joetamg charts

[quote=MyKarma]Heroes obviously. Why is everyone thinking that Drks are on Par with Heroes? Heroes were also buffed in the update, although not as much as Drks. At this point Heroes are about 3x than Drks when it comes to 1 vs 1[/quote]
But post-RED, when all the high-level Dark Knights get 'Gungnir Descent' and all those other revamped skills, they'll have Beholder healing and buffing them, they'll still have their drain skills, they'll have a buffed Dark Impale, a new 1v1 attack that can be spammed to infinity and beyond if they're close to dying or if they 'sacrifice' their Beholder... oh, and Lamancha Spear which, while it might not be a great attack in its own right, attacks constantly for eight straight seconds before dealing a high-damage finish.

Even if Heroes are still stronger, Dark Knights have now definitely closed the gap a fair bit.

[quote=iChosenDream]Okay then. I think Maplestory wants to keep Heroes as the highest damage dealing explorer warrior.[/quote]

This, heroes should always be on top of the explorer warriors
However, Darks arn't NEARLY as far behind as they were pre-revamp I believe Gungnir Descent comes somewhere close to like only being BARELY (and I mean like, 50% away) under Xenon (with blade dancing) DPS wise without getting any stronger, if it gets any stronger when the revamp is actually released it could change. Also berserk and Crossover chains damage boost arn't multipliers anymore so they're calculated strangely, but if either one of them get changed back to a multipliers our damage jumps from 10000 (currently without any multipliers) to like 13000 %/s actually putting us ABOVE pre-revamp heroes (who sit at 12.5k / s); though im not sure how much of a revamp heroes got damage wise (as in how much they actually went up since from what I understand not much changed about them) waiting for official revamp releases before I make any judgements.

Probably Heroes, man. Nexon just has a 'thing' for keeping Heroes more powerful than the others. It's been that way for so long..

[quote=PattyCharacters]That is why I said and the word think [/quote]

Okay then. I think Maplestory wants to keep Heroes as the highest damage dealing explorer warrior.

[quote=iChosenDream]The updates of RED haven't even been set in stone yet...[/quote]

That is why I said and the word think

The updates of RED haven't even been set in stone yet...

Heroes obviously. Why is everyone thinking that Drks are on Par with Heroes? Heroes were also buffed in the update, although not as much as Drks. At this point Heroes are about 3x than Drks when it comes to 1 vs 1