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[quote=SombraManx]so.. if you make a phantom, she never heals, right?

and this is cygnus with phantom around [url=http://stuffpoint.com/nature/image/48426-nature-waterfall-beauty.jpg](if you know what i mean)[/url][/quote]

If you are refering to phantom carte noir kb, then Bosses alrdy received a revamp where they do not kb. In other words, Empress will not kb when u hit 999999 on her now. That means she can cast magic attacks and double heal :O

[quote=ScuXxMuji]She carries potions in her dress, duh.[/quote]

so.. if you make a phantom, she never heals, right?

and this is cygnus with phantom around [url=http://stuffpoint.com/nature/image/48426-nature-waterfall-beauty.jpg](if you know what i mean)[/url]

@PovertyShoez @paying

The reason why, I think I've heard it somewhere else but not sure where, also it seems to fit in with what I've experienced I emp runs, is that empress actually has two separate heals. first the autoheals, which happen whenever she has a specific amount of health left, and that you have not hit the 36 heal counter yet, nor is it 10minutes or below, this seems to be classified as what I call the autoheals. The other one, is actually just her normal heal. I don't have that much information on this one so if anyone else can help that'll be much appreciated, but from what I gather it seems to be similar to the autoheal, and she can use it [i]whenever she has a certain amount of hp, I estimate at around 25-30% minimum from what I've seen on emp runs [/i] alright, now that you know she has two separate heals, but how does this relate to the question? it seems that her using the regular heal, plus you forcing her hp low to the autoheal hp limit will make her "heal twice". This also explains why "double heals" only count as one heal, and the normal heal I must say can be very frustrating when trying to kill empress, when you got all the 36 heals down but she can still heal herself, the only way to stop it 100% afaik is to bind her w/ the ds skill or lumi's Armageddon. Hope I helped

@reedpipes:

Yeahh haha hence the "I can see why it wouldn't be as useful on a db"

@paying: thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to try it out tomorrow

However, i'm usually able to maneuver the mobs around easily enough with blade fury (hits 8 enemies), and since it deals so much damage and is quick to cast, I have a feeling that i'll continue to use blade fury.

@reedpipes:

Sudden raid is actually one of my favorite skills at empress (and if you're strong enough the DoT is amazing, but this will be phased out in later updates. It's just a little something extra for now)

I can see how it might not be as useful for dual blades, but for a night lord sudden raid is an absolutely amazing skill to have at empress.

Not just for clearing out the mobs, but to gain aggro over them (our skills don't hit very many mobs and our mobbing skill is...pretty bad.)

Sudden raid allows you to grab all of the annoying shinsoo/knight summons in one skill, and you can drag them away from empress using this. This is useful for a couple reasons..

1) if DR is about to happen, so you can continue to attack them. They will move towards you because of aggro if you move away. This will allow you to clear them out during DR or something
2) it helps you able to see empress. Sometimes the mobs cover her up which is a problem for seeing DR and stuff, and this is a quick way to move them out because shade split only hits a max of 5 things.

[quote=reedpipes]
Also, the number of heals isn't exact, for lack of a better wording. If one surpasses empress's minimum healing times before 50 minutes are up, she keeps healing. Thus, she could heal forever. In order for this to work (that empress doesn't die before 10 minutes), multiple HP bars wouldn't work because with multiple HP bars, there are a set number of hp bars.

Lastly, there was a hack that "fades" multiple hp bars, allowing
hackers to easily kill zakum. I'm not an expert on "fading", but I'm guessing the healing function suppressed the fading hack?
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Thanks for the info. This does make me think of a time when couple of my buddies and my close alliance member when to empress and were very inexperienced and they ended up with empress healing upwards of 60 times, my buddy list chat and alliance was flowing like a river that whole hour.

[quote=paying]I use it very frequently for various reasons[/quote]

yeah I suppose it's good for zakum, for clearing mobs; for magnus, while he's in the air.

However, it doesn't really do much in empress, as regular multiple mob moves take care of the summons quickly and as sudden raid has little effect on them overall. I only have time nowadays for emp runs, so I guess that's why

[quote=reedpipes]interesting. I've never experienced that double sudden raid glitch. But then again, it always slows me down so I never bother with it anyways.[/quote]

I use it very frequently for various reasons

[quote=paying]It's a glitch, if you mean double heals.

Not sure exactly what causes it. I think it's something like if she casts a heal animation the absolute second she casts like..a tornado or something.

Sometimes i'll "double sudden raid" where i'll do the sudden raid animation but sort of lag and do the jump part twice and waste a lot of time. I would venture to say it's the same concept.[/quote]

interesting. I've never experienced that double sudden raid glitch. But then again, it always slows me down so I never bother with it anyways.

edit: wtf 0 heals?

It's a glitch, if you mean double heals.

Not sure exactly what causes it. I think it's something like if she casts a heal animation the absolute second she casts like..a tornado or something.

Sometimes i'll "double sudden raid" where i'll do the sudden raid animation but sort of lag and do the jump part twice and waste a lot of time. I would venture to say it's the same concept.

P.S.

If you wanted to know, or didn't know, a double heal will count as either 1 or 0 heals. If she instantly jumps back to "full" health, it's 0 heals. If she jumps to half health then full, it counts as one. This is hard to determine, as it happens pretty quickly. (or so I've been told)

[quote=Croodle]Isn't that problem already rectified by having multiple HP bars?[/quote]

I guess nexon decided to be creative with Empress. Maybe they were too lazy to pick out 30 different colors.

Also, the number of heals isn't exact, for lack of a better wording. If one surpasses empress's minimum healing times before 50 minutes are up, she keeps healing. Thus, she could heal forever. In order for this to work (that empress doesn't die before 10 minutes), multiple HP bars wouldn't work because with multiple HP bars, there are a set number of hp bars.

Lastly, there was a hack that "fades" multiple hp bars, allowing
hackers to easily kill zakum. I'm not an expert on "fading", but I'm guessing the healing function suppressed the fading hack?

@PovertyShoez: oh lol i'm sorry. I must've misread the question. In that case, i'm not too sure why she heals 80% sometimes and 40% other times. Maybe one heal is defined as 40% and there is a glitch that makes empress heal twice in a single go, counting for two heals?

[quote=reedpipes]well her full hp is supposed to be like 30+bil hp. However, because the way maple is, it can't store numbers greater than 2,147,483,647 and so what nexon did was that they made cygnus's hp bar to 2,100,000,000 and then made her heal 30+ times.[/quote]

I'm not asking why she heals lol. I'm asking if anyone knows why she heals 40% sometimes and 80% other times.

[quote=reedpipes]well her full hp is supposed to be like 30+bil hp. However, because the way maple is, it can't store numbers greater than 2,147,483,647 and so what nexon did was that they made cygnus's hp bar to 2,100,000,000 and then made her heal 30+ times.[/quote]
I was pretty sure that she can heal herself more than 40 times if you bring her hp down too many times before the 10minute (or 20, forgot.)
Isnt this why people just wait a certain time when they are going to defeat her on her last heal.

[quote=reedpipes]well her full hp is supposed to be like 30+bil hp. However, because the way maple is, it can't store numbers greater than 2,147,483,647 and so what nexon did was that they made cygnus's hp bar to 2,100,000,000 and then made her heal 30+ times.[/quote]

Isn't that problem already rectified by having multiple HP bars?

Durp. Everyone carries potions.

I just carry the Potion Pot however

well her full hp is supposed to be like 30+bil hp. However, because the way maple is, it can't store numbers greater than 2,147,483,647 and so what nexon did was that they made cygnus's hp bar to 2,100,000,000 and then made her heal 30+ times.

*Women's Secret"
*teehee*

~> Pokemon reference

She carries potions in her dress, duh.