General

As of the recent adjustments made from the Black Friday SC, I would say the most efficient way to get fast exp is to party with people between lv. 170 - 173 in HoH and have them sit around while you train. You will absorb their exp considering all but those above 171 gain a little bit of exp from kills.

That's how I trained my WA to zoom onto 200 from 175 within a matter of hours.

@seishikin: my range is 476k without dojo gloves xD i have 94% pdr, i also have glory of the guardians which is roughly a 40k range boost to use every 60 seconds

[quote=Giedie]did loki quit? o.o and if so why[/quote]

lmao yeah Loki quit. Alucya did too =o

[quote=seishikin]1. Are you the one with Loki's equips?
2. I hit around 2-3m on reg monsters with 520k range with sky song. It's about right that he hits 2m minimal. But he should be reaching upwards of 3m, and 4m on bosses.[/quote]

did loki quit? o.o and if so why

[quote=bluebomber24]@seishikin: >_>" Not sure why everyone is comparing dojo only when so much stuff can go down in there. But yes, being a non-level 200 [b]does[/b] make a difference.

Assuming you have the same Boss% as Luigi and more imporatntly assuming you are both playing at the same efficeincy level in dojo, you are missing

Glory of Guardians - 10% Total Damage
Echo of Hero - 4% attack (unless this is different for Cygnus Knights)
Hyper Critical - 10% Critical (unless you have 100% crit)
Trifling Wind Extra Strike
Song of Heaven - Boss Killer (20%)

So....yeah....it is that much of a difference.[/quote]

This. Level 200 made a big difference for me.

Is there tricks to dojo? Like...I just go in a press 1 button after pinning the boss to a wall...

@seishikin: >_>" Not sure why everyone is comparing dojo only when so much stuff can go down in there. But yes, being a non-level 200 [b]does[/b] make a difference.

Assuming you have the same Boss% as Luigi and more imporatntly assuming you are both playing at the same efficeincy level in dojo, you are missing

Glory of Guardians - 10% Total Damage
Echo of Hero - 4% attack (unless this is different for Cygnus Knights)
Hyper Critical - 10% Critical (unless you have 100% crit)
Trifling Wind Extra Strike
Song of Heaven - Boss Killer (20%)

So....yeah....it is that much of a difference.

[quote=bluebomber24]@bowmushro0m: Alright, cool. Also, looking at this http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2743298 I still think Vic is potentially doing something wierd in dojo, idk. I do find it very odd that his time is pretty close to mines, he should be considerably higher than me.[/quote]

I'm level 182 atm and I find it weird that with higher range (I think? I'm 470k without dojo, 525k with dojo top 10) than Luigi, I still get around 4 min longer than him. Does the last 18 levels really make that much of a difference? I also got around 150% boss, but low (I think 60%? PDR)

@bowmushro0m: Alright, cool. Also, looking at this http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2743298 I still think Vic is potentially doing something wierd in dojo, idk. I do find it very odd that his time is pretty close to mines, he should be considerably higher than me.

@bluebomber24: OH that said i'm about to pm you about vortex. I noticed something last night that has me thoroughly convinced it's the bet mobbing move in the game. (i was training at twilight perion)

[quote=bowmushro0m] you have to consider that vic's probably got the same things going for him. The thing is, the way dojo works, you have to be killing the bosses at LEAST 10 seconds faster for you to really save any time. (in most of the bosses that means anthony is killing more than twice as fast) The way the spawn works is that it's dependent on time. the boss will only spawn in 10 second intervals. so if you walk in and the boss spawns at exactly 1:10:00 (1:10 p.m exactly) no matter how fast you kill it, the soonest you'll see the next boss is 1:10:10. and if you can't do it in under 10 seconds (including the time it takes to get to the next stage) you'll have to wait for 1:10:20.[/quote]

There is too much stuff in dojo that could be going on that I would have to see videos of both or look at SS of both of thier stats. But its not a 50% gap that Vic has, when you take Faster (3) output for MM into consideration plus range conversion to a WA. In reality, the gap is less than 11% and can be as low as 6%. Still that doesn't dispell what you are saying, but there are still alot of other variables as I stated before which is why I would need videos or SS.

@bluebomber24: you have to consider that vic's probably got the same things going for him. The thing is, the way dojo works, you have to be killing the bosses at LEAST 10 seconds faster for you to really save any time. (in most of the bosses that means anthony is killing more than twice as fast) The way the spawn works is that it's dependent on time. the boss will only spawn in 10 second intervals. so if you walk in and the boss spawns at exactly 1:10:00 (1:10 p.m exactly) no matter how fast you kill it, the soonest you'll see the next boss is 1:10:10. and if you can't do it in under 10 seconds (including the time it takes to get to the next stage) you'll have to wait for 1:10:20.

@bowmushro0m: Now that I think about it, I think he was using TaC in the photo I saw. But again, you have physicial resist ignore and etc, Dojo just doesn't cater towards that. After RED MM boost for Dojo purposes is not much, on average at dojo due to the various positioning it will be like an 8% increase.

TBH, the more I analyze BM/MM the more I see BM for 1v1 and MM for mobbing at least "theme-wise". MM FAR damage is catered heavily for their mobbing skills and not so much bossing. In 1v1 the only time I would see them hitting thier optimal FAR dpm consitently at end game bosses is if they [b]solo[/b] VB/Queen/Pierre, and partying at those Chaos versions is just way more efficient. At Bosses like Magnus and Vellum, they receive almost no damage boost from what they have now. As a matter of fact I just realized that MMs get nerfed at bosses that they are forced to fight close. They will do less damage than they are doing now if the are in the close distance. And again take into consideration that Dojo has various positioning.

So after RED its still not absurd.

Edit: Also iirc Anthony uses Green MPE potions in Dojo. That is a considerable boost.

@bluebomber24: it's 1m, we were just talking about it today xD hi buffed range is shortly over 1m while vic's is 1.5. and post RED it's going to just straight up be absurd ._.

@bowmushro0m: Its not as absurd when you consider WA have physical resist ignore and stronger mobbing.

Edit: also Anthony's range is around 1.3 to 1.5 mil iirc.

[quote=bluebomber24]BMs and MMs ranges are naturally lower than other Archers. the difference is output. MMs ouput is higher than every other archer to make up for the range difference and BMs output jumps up to MM level in RED. A BM/MM with a 1.6m range is about the same as a WA with a 2m range.[/quote]

to an extent the MM output is a bit absurd. vic's range is 1.5m while anthony's is 1m (that's a 50% higher range) and anthony still has better dojo times than vic. (by about two minutes) those two minutes means he's killing the last 10 bosses roughly 10 seconds faster each. (which would mean his damage output considerably higher.)

[quote=seishikin]Lmao I wouldn't say Jemmo's bow has trash potentials. I'm just surprised BM has such low range.[/quote]

BMs and MMs ranges are naturally lower than other Archers. the difference is output. MMs ouput is higher than every other archer to make up for the range difference and BMs output jumps up to MM level in RED. A BM/MM with a 1.6m range is about the same as a WA with a 2m range.

[quote=seishikin]Lmao I wouldn't say Jemmo's bow has trash potentials. I'm just surprised BM has such low range.[/quote]

Bm don't have those nice buffs

[quote=PublicHair]1. Yeah I am
2. I'm 170 right, range is up to 700k Buffed, still only at 80% Boss damage though. So, I have a second 235 atk Fanfir with trash potentials - I'll try and get another 80-100% boss from that Bow and see how my boss damage is[/quote]

Lmao I wouldn't say Jemmo's bow has trash potentials. I'm just surprised BM has such low range.

[quote=seishikin]1. Are you the one with Loki's equips?
2. I hit around 2-3m on reg monsters with 520k range with sky song. It's about right that he hits 2m minimal. But he should be reaching upwards of 3m, and 4m on bosses.[/quote]

1. Yeah I am
2. I'm 170 right, range is up to 700k Buffed, still only at 80% Boss damage though. So, I have a second 235 atk Fanfir with trash potentials - I'll try and get another 80-100% boss from that Bow and see how my boss damage is

1. Are you the one with Loki's equips?
2. I hit around 2-3m on reg monsters with 520k range with sky song. It's about right that he hits 2m minimal. But he should be reaching upwards of 3m, and 4m on bosses.

[quote=LeadIn]@airforce1 but why?[/quote]

I'm in GAZED

@airforce1 but why?

go solo hoh bring hs mule with you

I have hurricane 20, and 80% boss damage.

He only has hurricane 20 guys and what sounds like little boss damage?

[quote=PublicHair]Hey guys!

My BM is super close to 170 and I'm looking for training spots.

My range is currently 450k-650k unbuffed.

I hit about 1.5m-2m per line with Hurricane (level 20)

Where should I be training? I can solo Dimension PQ (Including the boss in just over 7 minutes) and get about 20%ish per run on 1x.[/quote]

If you're really in El Nido, do the prequests and PM me a time to be on and I'll take you inside on my BM which has a badge.
Also, your damage is very low for that range unless those are non-crits or you have no %boss or something.

EDIT: Even if I'm the last archer left, I will never join Scarlion! Muhuhahaha

[quote=bowmushro0m]he's in. i swear to god you're next.[/quote]

lol okay let's see if you're right

[quote=nikeball123]F3 more recruiting of archers.[/quote]

he's in. i swear to god you're next.

[quote=bluebomber24]Join the Scarlion Guild. You can probably find someone to help you relatively quickly and there are tons of experience Archers if you need info on other things as well.

If you are interested, please contact me or any of the following:

@bowmushro0m IGN: iockewood (guild leader)
@Mooshelle IGN: MoosherrXS
@SmackedUp IGN: Anfweee
@anhdang IGN: Nullify[/quote]

F3 more recruiting of archers.

[quote=PublicHair]Problem is, I can't find anyone on my server to do HTPQ so that I can get the badge... (Windia)[/quote]

Join the Scarlion Guild. You can probably find someone to help you relatively quickly and there are tons of experience Archers if you need info on other things as well.

If you are interested, please contact me or any of the following:

@bowmushro0m IGN: iockewood (guild leader)
@Mooshelle IGN: MoosherrXS
@SmackedUp IGN: Anfweee
@anhdang IGN: Nullify

@PublicHair: Well you're going to have to fight horntail at least once to use additional entry tickets... So it'll be a challenge for you to get into HT, so stick to krexel/bg/hilla runs I guess.

[quote=twopointonefour]So follow my method.

Have you fought horntail at least once? If yes, then you can just buy the additional entry ticket from someone in free market and do what Ryuushinou said. Dimension Invasion isn't very good, you'll earn more EXP actually training at drill hall or HoH.[/quote]

Problem is... havn't fought HT even once on this character.

[quote=PublicHair]Problem is, I can't find anyone on my server to do HTPQ so that I can get the badge... (Windia)[/quote]

So follow my method.

Have you fought horntail at least once? If yes, then you can just buy the additional entry ticket from someone in free market and do what Ryuushinou said. Dimension Invasion isn't very good, you'll earn more EXP actually training at drill hall or HoH.

Krexel and ht. Dipq aswell if u can get bonus stage

Need to see equips ...

Problem is, I can't find anyone on my server to do HTPQ so that I can get the badge... (Windia)

[quote=twopointonefour]Do krexel then Hilla then BG.

As for straight up grinding then you'll want to go to Drill hall A until 185+ and HoH with parties.[/quote]

The above is only recommended if you're averagely funded. It doesn't apply to you TS.

HT/CHT with the additional entry ticket is definitely the fastest way.

@PublicHair oops. Sorry! >.<

Do krexel then Hilla then BG.

As for straight up grinding then you'll want to go to Drill hall A until 185+ and HoH with parties.

I'll post my equips later if the thread is still alive!

And I'm a BM, not a WA

As the people above said, I would like to see or know your equips. Also, could you post your WA skill build? Most of the ones I find are meh.

Sorry for not answering your question. LOL

Daily bosses like above said, and if you have time over i would go to future ereve mage map, 170+ hoh, 190+ TP

Wow I'm interested in your equips, mind sharing?