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[quote=steven7x23]is US slower now with the 2 extra hits or same
if same then
damage looks weaker but its better due to more hits
only thing is my damage sucks so, wont be staggering monsters and bosses any time soon[/quote]

i don't think the 2 extra hits will lower our attack speed. it's suppose to make us stronger although our US will be reduced to 205%? = 65% dmg reduction .
i wont do max dmg anymore... T_T
Atleast ill fire 8 arrows quickies with my decent si <3
So could someone calculate how many arrows ill be doing per second/ minute? With the new US , i mean and with my SI included :o?

[quote=Thenubbies]but its only a 20% or 40% (forgot which one) increase. so eh..[/quote]

hurricane got a 10% increase lol. and now your move may be faster than hurricane. (ustrafe right now fires at exactly 8.33 shots a second with no si) the only reason our 1v1 is and will be slightly better is because of AFA. and i stress the word slightly

[quote=steven7x23]is US slower now with the 2 extra hits or same
if same then
damage looks weaker but its better due to more hits
only thing is my damage sucks so, wont be staggering monsters and bosses any time soon[/quote]

but its only a 20% or 40% (forgot which one) increase. so eh..

is US slower now with the 2 extra hits or same
if same then
damage looks weaker but its better due to more hits
only thing is my damage sucks so, wont be staggering monsters and bosses any time soon

[quote=WeffTooFat]It doesn't. us + SNIPE's masssive burst damage and SI beats hurri in purely theoretical DPS calculations.[/quote]

unfortunately the difference between theoretical and factual on maplestory, (seeing as this is a numbers game) is roughly..oh idk..zero.
the argument is that if you were to rank a bm's 1/1 on a scale of 1 to 10, we'd get maybe a 6 compared to other classes. mm's would get a 5.

now if you were to compare bm's mobbing to other classes, we'd get a 1. where as mm's would get a 10.

in other words, bm's got the shaft hardcore.

ALSO, ustrafe + snipe will outdamage bm's given equal mobbing on bosses now. and be pretty dam close to equal on regular mobs.

let's not forget the difference in weapon multiplier. when you're funded, it makes a difference.

[quote=LimusocoBobo]That sounds like fun[/quote]
it would be nice if it kept its dmg/formula. however nexon would do this by halving its dmg or giving it a 5 sec cooldown and +50% per hit.

[quote=hippiesrus]They need to remove pierce charge [/quote]
That sounds like fun

Currently BM>MM with 1v1 unless somehow MM grab hold of SI, then MM>BM for 1v1.
You already know about mobbing.
This update wont really change much between BM and MM. the pdr-reduce only works better with monster/boss with high pdr.

But yay, passive SL..

all my marksman need now is snipe to hit 12x n for IS to work <3

if we can keep up with 6hits switching to 8hits+20%pdr going to give us a bigger boost i think

I'll sum it up as easy as possible. bowmaster is and always was better at 1vs1. how ever marksmen have higher defence ignore passively(snipe) incase some of you dont notice Marksman 1vs1 is 1620% per second for 5 seconds followed by 720%x6 at 100% crit over 1.5 seconds then repeating. right now marksman lose on low defense mobs by a small amount(we lose on bosses too however its under 5% total damage about half a % on pink bean). this update won't change this however the 20% defense ignore on Ult strafe makes Marksmen on better on anything over 20% PDR(LHC has 20%, zakum has 40%, HT has 40% Czak has 40%, pink bean has 70% hilla has 70%).
Also since the day leafre was released marksman have beaten bowmasters at mobbing. Not only is this still true but bowmaster mobbing is one of the worst in the game since they dont max the mob move till very late/never(even then they're pretty low). Marksman is one of the best mobbers in game(if played correctly).

too long? right now: bowmaster whens when fighting ONE enemy marksman at everything else(yes, EVERYTHING).before you say "but hurricane pins" 1. thats no longer an issue at bosses 2. the only time a marksman breaks pin is if he decides to mash snipe for 3 seconds cuz its almost off cooldown.
After update: bowmaster when fighting ONE enemy that has no PDR(Jesters?). Marksman at everything else.

Hurricane(+AFA) has always been better than ustrafe, but don't forget you have snipe. That and the extra 20% defense ignore makes marksmen > or = to BMs for 1v1 damage as of next update.

[quote=simaini]huricane's base speed is 8.33 arrows per second, with no FA
the 10% increase in hurricane will only add about 83% to our DPS since AFA doesn't get buffed.
idk the speed of strafe but i'm pretty sure it's not exactly 1 second. i'm pretty sure it's lower.
if the 6 hit strafe can outdamage hurricane now with SI, then there shouldn't be that much of a difference between upgraded hurricane and ustrafe..[/quote]

and since this buff gives mm only a 20% damage buff, id say you guys got the better end of the stick this time~

We will be weaker or look it at least.

huricane's base speed is 8.33 arrows per second, with no FA
the 10% increase in hurricane will only add about 83% to our DPS since AFA doesn't get buffed.
idk the speed of strafe but i'm pretty sure it's not exactly 1 second. i'm pretty sure it's lower.
if the 6 hit strafe can outdamage hurricane now with SI, then there shouldn't be that much of a difference between upgraded hurricane and ustrafe..

[quote=Mugley]hurricane is 15 a sec, just like wild arrow blast for WH, ishtars ring for merces, rapid fire for sairs, and the phantom thing.[/quote]

the hell? doesnt that make US alot weaker then hurri then? even with si?