Paladin Post Red 2h Benefits
I've tried researching a bit on post-red paladins and the benefits of going 2h + rosario but I've been unable to find too much information pertaining to why exactly 2h is suddenly better than 1h + shield (people claim the damage multiplier goes even higher than it is currently but I'd like to see some actual numbers or something along those lines).
Basically, I'm asking at what point does a 2h + rosario surpass a 1h + shield or vice-versa.
Currently I have a 178 attack 3% str 15% pdr VL sword and a 27 attack 4% str maple shield but I'm wondering if perfecting a terminus 2h mace would be more beneficial in terms of damage (factoring attack speed and some other math related factors that affect 1h and 2h comparsions).
I do not plan on spending any NX on cubing so potentials on the rosario would most likely be ones that I just throw potential scrolls on NPC rosarios.
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[quote=Kazzooey]Here's all the differences between the two.
[b]1 Handed[/b]
[*]One speed faster than two handed, which for Paladin skills, is 7% faster than 2H
[*]1H Has a 1.2 multiplier, which is .14 less than 2H
[*]Can equip shields which are tradeable and much more common, and easier to find with good stats.
[*]1H is more expensive than 2H Maces
[*]Only needs one additional speed buff to hit maximum attack speed
[*]Shields can be scrolled for ATT
[b]2 Handed[/b]
[*]Has a 1.34 multiplier, which is 12% higher damage than 1H
[*]Requires 2 additional speed buffs to hit maximum attack speed (Max speed 2H is much stronger than max speed 1H, but VERY hard to obtain)
[*]After factoring speed and multipliers, 2H offers 5% higher DPM than 1H
[*]Requires Rosarios which are much, much rarer to find in FM with decent stats and are Paladin only
[*]Rosarios cannot be scrolled
Honestly going 1H is still the overall better option. 2H only has a 5% higher DPM than 1H, BUT 1 handed can easily obtain good shields for cheap and are vastly more abundant in the market than Rosarios. Just a simple 100m shield can outdamage a 2H weapon since finding a good potential for a Rosario in the FM is going to be a very rare occurrence.
It might be a bit cheaper going 2H but you're more restricted because of the lack of good Rosarios, whereas 1H you can find good shields all over the place. 2H Maces are stupid cheap, but the counter is that you'll almost never find a good one or good Rosario without cubing and scrolling all by yourself.
With that, I still recommend 1H.
@PwntByMe For your situation I can't say for sure. I'd need to know your total ATT when fully buffed and how far you're willing to go for "perfected Terminus"(Are you using 50% Unleashed? +9 ATT? How many EE? Does it have a good potential?). I'm just ASSUMING you're gonna make a +10 50% Unleashed Scrolled Terminus 2H Mace with one AEE, which should equal out to about a 235 ATT, 94 Str weapon with a +3 ATT 10 Str Rosario. Right now you only have 205 ATT, 4% Str with your current sword and shield (not sure about how much Str you have). Your range would be significantly higher for sure, but I can't say how much as I don't know your actual stats. If I had to completely GUESS, I'd say your overall damage would go up by 15-20%, but like I said that is just a shot into the dark. So do you think the price of a perfected terminus is worth that? If it is then go for it, if not then save up and wait for a better upgrade.[/quote]
I know it's not necessary to quote the entire post, but I would like to say getting a decent rosario shouldn't be too hard if you have a bit of funding. I specifically used the unique pot scroll from the attendance event to make it 3L unqiue. All I need is cubes. Apparently, with my cubing luck so far I get 15% luk, %15dex, and some %damage, but never %boss or %str. I'd advise any 2H pally to abuse this unqiue pot attendance event and get your rosario to be unique before it's too late.
[quote=Kazzooey]Here's all the differences between the two.
[b]1 Handed[/b]
[*]One speed faster than two handed, which for Paladin skills, is 7% faster than 2H
[*]1H Has a 1.2 multiplier, which is .14 less than 2H
[*]Can equip shields which are tradeable and much more common, and easier to find with good stats.
[*]1H is more expensive than 2H Maces
[*]Only needs one additional speed buff to hit maximum attack speed
[*]Shields can be scrolled for ATT
[b]2 Handed[/b]
[*]Has a 1.34 multiplier, which is 12% higher damage than 1H
[*]Requires 2 additional speed buffs to hit maximum attack speed (Max speed 2H is much stronger than max speed 1H, but VERY hard to obtain)
[*]After factoring speed and multipliers, 2H offers 5% higher DPM than 1H
[*]Requires Rosarios which are much, much rarer to find in FM with decent stats and are Paladin only
[*]Rosarios cannot be scrolled
Honestly going 1H is still the overall better option. 2H only has a 5% higher DPM than 1H, BUT 1 handed can easily obtain good shields for cheap and are vastly more abundant in the market than Rosarios. Just a simple 100m shield can outdamage a 2H weapon since finding a good potential for a Rosario in the FM is going to be a very rare occurrence.
It might be a bit cheaper going 2H but you're more restricted because of the lack of good Rosarios, whereas 1H you can find good shields all over the place. 2H Maces are stupid cheap, but the counter is that you'll almost never find a good one or good Rosario without cubing and scrolling all by yourself.
With that, I still recommend 1H.
@PwntByMe For your situation I can't say for sure. I'd need to know your total ATT when fully buffed and how far you're willing to go for "perfected Terminus"(Are you using 50% Unleashed? +9 ATT? How many EE? Does it have a good potential?). I'm just ASSUMING you're gonna make a +10 50% Unleashed Scrolled Terminus 2H Mace with one AEE, which should equal out to about a 235 ATT, 94 Str weapon with a +3 ATT 10 Str Rosario. Right now you only have 205 ATT, 4% Str with your current sword and shield (not sure about how much Str you have). Your range would be significantly higher for sure, but I can't say how much as I don't know your actual stats. If I had to completely GUESS, I'd say your overall damage would go up by 15-20%, but like I said that is just a shot into the dark. So do you think the price of a perfected terminus is worth that? If it is then go for it, if not then save up and wait for a better upgrade.[/quote]
Thanks, the math was exactly what I was looking for! As for the price of a perfected terminus (+10, 2 enhance), it only cost me 500m for the weapon and scrolling just takes time and is basically free
Here's all the differences between the two.
[b]1 Handed[/b]
[*]One speed faster than two handed, which for Paladin skills, is 7% faster than 2H
[*]1H Has a 1.2 multiplier, which is .14 less than 2H
[*]Can equip shields which are tradeable and much more common, and easier to find with good stats.
[*]1H is more expensive than 2H Maces
[*]Only needs one additional speed buff to hit maximum attack speed
[*]Shields can be scrolled for ATT
[b]2 Handed[/b]
[*]Has a 1.34 multiplier, which is 12% higher damage than 1H
[*]Requires 2 additional speed buffs to hit maximum attack speed (Max speed 2H is much stronger than max speed 1H, but VERY hard to obtain)
[*]After factoring speed and multipliers, 2H offers 5% higher DPM than 1H
[*]Requires Rosarios which are much, much rarer to find in FM with decent stats and are Paladin only
[*]Rosarios cannot be scrolled
Honestly going 1H is still the overall better option. 2H only has a 5% higher DPM than 1H, BUT 1 handed can easily obtain good shields for cheap and are vastly more abundant in the market than Rosarios. Just a simple 100m shield can outdamage a 2H weapon since finding a good potential for a Rosario in the FM is going to be a very rare occurrence.
It might be a bit cheaper going 2H but you're more restricted because of the lack of good Rosarios, whereas 1H you can find good shields all over the place. 2H Maces are stupid cheap, but the counter is that you'll almost never find a good one or good Rosario without cubing and scrolling all by yourself.
With that, I still recommend 1H.
@PwntByMe For your situation I can't say for sure. I'd need to know your total ATT when fully buffed and how far you're willing to go for "perfected Terminus"(Are you using 50% Unleashed? +9 ATT? How many EE? Does it have a good potential?). I'm just ASSUMING you're gonna make a +10 50% Unleashed Scrolled Terminus 2H Mace with one AEE, which should equal out to about a 235 ATT, 94 Str weapon with a +3 ATT 10 Str Rosario. Right now you only have 205 ATT, 4% Str with your current sword and shield (not sure about how much Str you have). Your range would be significantly higher for sure, but I can't say how much as I don't know your actual stats. If I had to completely GUESS, I'd say your overall damage would go up by 15-20%, but like I said that is just a shot into the dark. So do you think the price of a perfected terminus is worth that? If it is then go for it, if not then save up and wait for a better upgrade.
2H has higher damage even with the attack speed differences with 1H factored in. If you can get the Attack Speed +1 Inner Potential or Decent SI (or both), the damage with 2H would be noticably higher.
A perfect Terminus Demolisher will easily outdamage your current setup. How much does it affect your range clean? (When highlighted)
[quote=Irreversible]2H mace benefits:
-animations will look amazing...better than sword animations imo.
-2H multiplier is much higher than 1H multiplier..so you'd be stronger with less funding.
-it's very cheap and affordable to purchase a 2H mace compared to a 1H sword, etc.
The only flaw I see in using 2H mace means you might need more speed..whether it is azwan inner ability +1 attack speed or decent SI gloves... or both.. since..well, terminus is slow attack speed.
But yeah in short, as a 2H wielder, you have more potential to be stronger than a 1H wielder...or so I think o.o[/quote]
I can confirm that terminus weapons are labelled wrong in terms of attack speed on basil as the 2h mace is normal speed, not slow.
As far as i know the multiplier is different, like a 2h weapon with 120 atk would give the same amount or more atk range as a 1h with lets say 140 atk.
[quote=warrior0920]I guess the reason going 2h would be better is because that 2h weapons have a lot more base wepon attack, therefore having more potential to gain more attack than 1h weapons by the time you perfect it
but I still staying 1h (justsayingyouknow) [/quote]
Compared to the terminus 1h weapons, the 2h weapons only have about 7 more base attack.
I guess the reason going 2h would be better is because that 2h weapons have a lot more base wepon attack, therefore having more potential to gain more attack than 1h weapons by the time you perfect it
but I still staying 1h (justsayingyouknow)