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[quote=alez1234]What happens to time leap books?[/quote]

I assume they'll either turn into MMB's or into a random Buccaneer mastery book. Or they could continue to exist because Nexon tends to derp a lot. Those seem like the three most likely possibilities.

[quote=Quaisy2]This isn't the place to be asking that. You know, because it's a thread about bucc skills; in the bucc forum.[/quote]

Lol. This.

[quote=ZukoSushi]avenger being deleted?[/quote]

This isn't the place to be asking that. You know, because it's a thread about bucc skills; in the bucc forum.

Buccs are sexy and they know it!~

*Bump* For new Buccs needing to know the Skill Conversion!

Im glad this thread was made i need to find snatch 30 cause its important -_-

L>Buccs in Broa to give me all their books!

@1CrazyCleric - I shall shed manly tears for your loss..

[quote=pikachuxbboy]@Toukie I mean, that's the most obvious course of action for GMS. Either route they take, whether it be skill alter or MMB, the Buccs who are 160+ and maxed most (or all) of their skills will be hoarding and profiting.[/quote]
Basically :x
I mean, yeah, sure, would be nice if GMS continued on it's usual course. But if they do decided to go off the wall with the random copy pasta pirate book exchange, we'll be happy regardless. Even now, as you mentioned, all of us are hoarding like champs, and we couldn't be happier with the thought of the revamp.. and our enjoyable fat wallets later in life c:

@1CrazyCleric: I would have shed a womanly tear with you if I saw those..
That makes me pout even just reading it.. ; ___ ;

@Toukie I mean, that's the most obvious course of action for GMS. Either route they take, whether it be skill alter or MMB, the Buccs who are 160+ and maxed most (or all) of their skills will be hoarding and profiting.

I'd be extremely surprised if GMS did the whole "Turn your books in for a random one" bit :x
[i]Every[/i] past revamp has had skillbooks automatically transfer into the new skills without hassle, and I'll highly bet GMS will continue that.
Would be unfair to have the Thief and Pirate revamp differ from every other classes revamp in that aspect. Besides, It has been shown also that GMS isn't an exact copy of KMS, so I'll stick to my assumption of skill alterations..

Also just for confirmation again..
Snatch -> Vipersition (Both max level of 30)
Super Transformation -> Guard Crash (Both max level of 20)

All skills changing keep their old skill's highest mastery level obtainable.
It's why the only skill that ST could transfer into would be GC due to matching mastery levels.

@1CrazyCleric - Yeah, Bucc books will stay cheap now because of our extinction until Revamp. Regardless if they turn into MMB's, it's still beneficial. 1-2M book that turns into a 18-23m MMB.. major profit!

@kikinnocence - It's highly recommended you do just that. I myself can't because I already have everything maxed out! ):< The only skills that I'm wary of not being maxed is Double Lucky Dice, but I think that skill itself is only a max level of 10. 75 SP Unused! So ready for this revamp.. or a MW30 from an MMB ! ha.

@kikinnocence If we get a 100% book(Past experience highly suggests we will), it'd be best to save it for one skill since it bypasses both 20 AND 30 books. So if you were to say, have the choice between passing two 20 books or one 30 book, I'd take the 30. That way I'd skip a 20 book for whatever skill I didn't pick pretty easy.

I'm still going to stack on books whether it be skill changed or MMB.

@1CrazyCleric - Every Lv160+ Bucc is hoarding. I've been doing this, but I've also given some books away for fellow buccs. IE: Barrage 20 and Demo 30

@pikachuxbboy: Tyvms for typing so much xD

[quote=aeroarrowlol]Errr no idea of the abbreviations[/quote]

Barrage -> Fist Enrage (1v1) - Faster than Hurricane
Demolition -> Nautilus Strike - Ultimate.
Time leap - Mastery reduced from Lv30 to Lv5. Time duration increased at max level from 20minutes to 25minutes.
Energy Orb -> Energy Laser (Kamehameha) - Can only be used during Charge State

Snatch -> Vipersition OR Guard Crash
Super Transform -> Vipersition OR Guard Crash
-Transformation Sprite has been moved to a mount only skill and one cannot attack while in this state. Gives 170% speed and 150% jump.
-Vipersition gives +15%WATT, increased mastery to 70%, etc
-Guard Crash gives 40% PDR at 100% rate. (May be vice versa, I'm not completely sure)

Pirates Revenge - remains untouched. Displays "Counter Attack" when activated.
Dragon Strike - overall damage increased. 700%x2
Maple Warrior - New Animation
Double Luck Dice - New skill. %chance to roll 2 dices and increase effects further.

[quote=pikachuxbboy]From what I read, it's:

ST > Guard Crash
Barrage > Fist Enrage
EO > EB
Snatch > Viper
Demo > Ulti
TL > TL
SI > SI
DS > DS
MW > MW

correct me if I'm wrong[/quote]

Errr no idea of the abbreviations

@pikachuxbboy: Ooo, sorry to make you repost it then. hehe
Thankyous though ~

@vHachi - Yes. If they aren't removed, then they will be changed into a new skill id as stated previously in my, or others, replies.

Barrage -> Fist Enrage (1v1) - Faster than Hurricane
Demolition -> Nautilus Strike - Ultimate.
Time leap - Mastery reduced from Lv30 to Lv5. Time duration increased at max level from 20minutes to 25minutes.
Energy Orb -> Energy Laser (Kamehameha) - Can only be used during Charge State

Snatch -> Vipersition [b]OR[/b] Guard Crash
Super Transform -> Vipersition [b]OR[/b] Guard Crash
-Transformation Sprite has been moved to a mount only skill and one cannot attack while in this state. Gives 170% speed and 150% jump.
-Vipersition gives +15%WATT, increased mastery to 70%, etc
-Guard Crash gives 40% PDR at 100% rate. (May be vice versa, I'm not completely sure)

Pirates Revenge - remains untouched. Displays "Counter Attack" when activated.
Dragon Strike - overall damage increased. 700%x2
Maple Warrior - New Animation
Double Luck Dice - New skill. %chance to roll 2 dices and increase effects further.

Also, you're able to turn in those books for the newer ones via Maple Admin NPC when the revamp hits as I've been told. So, if Snatch [b]became[/b] Vipersition per say, you can trade in the old Snatch and get Vipersition mastery book!

Ok, I'm sorry if this has already been answered and i didn't notice it.
Buuuuut ~
The books that i've already passed, will they turn into the new skill?
(Like say, i passed some book to 30, does the skill that it turns into has 30 passed?)
..If that made any sense.

@killemdeader rational? maybe. We're all just trying to predict how our book income will change and benefit from it. That and also early maxing skills. I have a bucc messaging me on basil about the books b/c I've been buying them out XD He calls it "The Wrath of Pikachu"... great >.>

Referring back to the Revamp, will we get the "NEW" Vipersition that gives 15%ATT and 70%Mastery or will we have to wait for another patch that will change the "old" Vipersition to that?

Snatch > Vipersition is probably the best bet.
ST > Guard Crash seems logical also.

It's one or the other so either way, max them both asap.

Btw, is Nexon down? Apparently, they seem to not be as stable lately.

I passed all of my books, and then my good computer's hard drive crashed so it takes so long to go to FM and browse for books on my bad comps... Totally killed my motivation for stocking up on books.

What books have you guys stocked up on so far?

@GenesisAura Ohlol, I feel dumb now. My bad, didn't mean to attack. Stressed out and all that.

@superimani Goes to 30 but the 20's are usually more on demand and expensive.

[quote=Tersera]And unless you're a Buccaneer who's still yet to use Snatch 20, then keep as many Snatch 20's as you can for when the revamp comes the price of the change to Vipersition will have you filthy stinking rich.

Otherwise, use it and unlock the higher levels before you become filthy stinking poor, lol should you fail the books.[/quote]

Is 20 the max lv for Vipersition?

@ThousandNen: Yeah i saw Vipersition before it was changed too </3
I thought: "This has got to be one of the most useless 4th job skills in the game."
But then they changed it and made it MUCH BETTER <3

[quote=ShadeCaro]@GenesisAura:You do notice Nexon has already dealt with this issue before? They did it just fine. Derp.

If your trolling: 0/10 see me after class.
Neither: 0/10 See me after class.[/quote]

Uhm firstly I was just laughing at simply that part of the sentence in general. Ie : by taking it out of context , since im one of those people who think nexon doesnt put close to enough effort to run this game the way many other companies run their f2p games. I wasnt laughing at what you said at all just the bolded part taken out of context.I probably shouldn't have quoted and made it look like I was directing that comment to you. In case that's what you thought I wasn't.

Secondly ,now that you bring it up, to add on to the first point if nexon was truly competent why would they make these errors time and again? The evan incident isnt an isolated case. When phantom blow came out all dbs even the ones with points in chains of hell (which pb replaced) had to rebuy the phantom blow skillbook. Before this there was the time when bams came out and the prerequisite for body aura was 10 body aura etc etc. They did fix these mistakes eventually but they also [b]do make these mistakes [/b]. All i was saying was that i hope they wont make a mistake of this sort when our revamp happens. Since we are talking about skills I wont mention all the other aspects nexon fails spectacularly at ranging from server stability to security.

Lastly I dont get why you attacked me (kind of) in your post . I was merely laughing at the thought that nexon knows what they are doing and expressing my hope that they wouldnt mess up like they tend to when our revamp comes around. If what you meant by that statement is that you believe they are in fact extremely competent then ... Well and fine .. Its your belief and i apologize for offending you.

PS: typing this on my phone so forgive me for any spelling/punctuation errors. o.o

@missingpinky:

Oh, I didn't see that on Orangemushroom's blog, all I read was Avoid/Resistence/Def. I was like "Why do we need that?"

[quote=ThousandNen]Call me stupid if you want, but I don't see why Vipersition is so good. Someone explain. -Bucc fail-[/quote]
At max level. It increases our mastery from 50% to 70% [more stable damage].
It also gives us a 15% ATT buff. Not bad right?
Passive Effect: 30% Elemental Resistance/Status Resistance, [b]70% mastery.[/b]

Call me stupid if you want, but I don't see why Vipersition is so good. Someone explain. -Bucc fail-

@GenesisAura:

You do notice Nexon has already dealt with this issue before? They did it just fine. Derp.

If your trolling: 0/10 see me after class.

Neither: 0/10 See me after class.

[quote=ShadeCaro]In all honesty, you guys shouldn't worry about the skill book issues. [b]Nexon knows what they are doing[/b], your skills are going to be fixed with others.[/quote]

Hahahahaha

On a more serious note i hope we dont end up having some primary skill (eg :vipersition) with mastery lvl0 like what they did to evans recently.

Time Leap will be lowered to Lv5 regardless. So the books itself may be turned in for a different book, I'm hoping. Even at my current level (193), I left Time Leap at Lv1 XD

I'm pretty sure that time leap will still be pretty low, considering it's a skill that still won't be maxed for a long time in a bucc's career.

In all honesty, you guys shouldn't worry about the skill book issues. Nexon knows what they are doing, your skills are going to be fixed with others.

@pikachuxbboy In which case if it inflates to that much, take your free book and make it Viperstition. That way you're paying less overall than you would've and you've got a little bit of of boost under your belt. Considering how easy it is to train nowadays(And how Buccs are going to be a lot stronger), you can max your skills pretty fast. Having a free 30 book for, say, Viperstition is insanely good. If I can't pass Snatch 20/30, chances are it'll be my free book. I can safely say there's no way in hell I could afford it if it was at the price of Warding30.

Time will only tell how much it will inflate, and unfortunately every time a class is revamped, most average players get screwed over due to the book costs. Hell, look at Paladins and Blast 20/30; it was like our Dragon Strike(Book for an uncommon class, very few books and costed a lot). If you needed Blast20/30 it was already a pain to get it, Paladins get revamped, every Paladin at 14x NEEDS the damn book to start bossing. Free books made it so players who actually played their Paladin BEFORE the bandwagon, before everyone decided to hop on and say "I'M GOING TO INFLATE THINGS", had a shot at playing their character. I think Blast ended up deflating after that, but I know it spiked to like, 300m Windian or so if I remember right(It was previously 150mish for the 30, 20 was like 100m or something). Not sure what Blast20 spiked to, but they ended up deflating to both under 40m I think after a while.

@Tricks122 Agreed. Even if we did get an event that insta-maxed one of our skills to 30, it may not lower the prices of it as @Quaisy2 said with Warding 30. A lot of Buccs are trying to up the level of their skills now which in turn may start an early inflation, which I highly doubt because of how little our class is played. I'm not trying to knock off the idea of maxing early will be beneficial because obviously it is the better choice. I'm just worried as to [b]how[/b] much they would inflate? Assuming that Vipersition will be the #1 inflated book, it may end up being like Warding 30 where it will cost a couple hundred million mesos. Sadly an average player such as myself cannot pull out that much for a book that may fail.

@Quaisy2 Yea, being able to actually train a few levels with a free book and then add 10 points into other skills is skill a great asset. That's around 7 levels(With 1 spare SP). Then you can atleast max ONE main training skill and actually train the class better than you could. Imagine Warding 30's price without the 100% books. Yea, it will still cost a lot to afford their books, but taking a little bit of pressure off will let them actually train their damn character for a while rather than being stuck at 10's across the board.

@Tricks122: Even if they get one free book, that may cost a couple hundred million mesos, the other books will probably still break their bank (if they're unfunded.) Just like mercedes. Like mercedes, their books are extremely expensive (warding 30 for example) and even though like, all mercedes chose warding 30 as their free book, it's still 200m+.

@Quaisy2 Ah, that. You said trading books in with Gaga and I was kind of confused. Yea, the free 30 book will deflate the skills. But seriously, considering how a lot of our skills play a vital role, what book to choose is going to depend on people. A lot will probably pick EB/Viperstition, but that just means that EVERYONE is going to need the other books(Fist of Enrage, Guard Crash, ect). Imagine if there WAS no free book, do you know much inflation there'd be? People wouldn't even be able to enjoy the event because unless you could afford hundred's of million for a book that MIGHT fail, you'd be stuck with your skills capped at level 10. How much would it suck for those people? It'd ruin the event for them.

[quote=Tricks122]@WhitePeople There's no limit to people's stupidity on the internet. I've seen a lot worse than you being 100% serious, so yea, I tend to assume what people say is what they mean unless it's really obvious. Like seriously, I'm not sure how stupid people are, but your trolling isn't close to the worst I've seen.

@Quaisy2 Trading them from Gaga? I've never heard of that, I know books we currently have will be changed into new books, but that probably won't deflate them much due to how many new players making Buccs.[/quote]

I mean like what they did for Archers and Mercs and Demonslayers. They gave them 1 free book that insta-maxes a skill to level 30. Deflated SE by a lot. If that's what you're talking about (which I'm not quite sure anymore...) then everyone will pick Energy Blast or Vipersition deflating the books that will be converted.

@WhitePeople There's no limit to people's stupidity on the internet. I've seen a lot worse than you being 100% serious, so yea, I tend to assume what people say is what they mean unless it's really obvious. Like seriously, I'm not sure how stupid people are, but your trolling isn't close to the worst I've seen.

@Quaisy2 Trading them from Gaga? I've never heard of that, I know books we currently have will be changed into new books, but that probably won't deflate them much due to how many new players making Buccs.

[quote=Tricks122]@Quaisy2 Why would you rage? Unless you passed ALL your books(Not counting MW and possibly TL), it's awesome. I can ignore Barrage/Snatch(Whichever I choose) and still be able to max them once the revamp comes. I guess it kind of sucks if you already passed all your books, but if you haven't, it's a really big money/time saver since books will skyrocket once the revamp comes and people begin desperately searching for them.[/quote]

But I did... And then the books that I have will be deflated prices because people can just get em from gaga or whoever.

[quote=WhitePeople]my dexless NL hits 3x what this unfunded bucc does[/quote]

I can't tell if you're trolling, or you have no common sense whatsoever.

If you compare a dexless NL(Assuming you have some amount of funds) to a class on the lowest 5(Probably lowest, IMHO) in the DPS charts, factoring in ONLY damage done(Not counting party skills) ALSO taking in consideration the level you both are(NL's don't need much SP to max their main skills(TT+... Soul Javelin? Random Mastery skill?), Buccs do(ST(20)+Demo(30)+PR(10), not counting 30 for mobbing ability with DS).), you're essentially saying this:

I saw someone who has a lower range of a class that isn't properly balanced who didn't have his main skills yet, and I was better so obviously that class sucks.

There are honestly just so many pictures I'd adore to post right now mocking you, but I'd rather not spend that time and effort doing so considering your arguments were so easy to smash.

Edit:@kikinnocence You should be able to choose from any of the skills that have mastery books(Not sure if we have a skill that only has 20, but I assume you could choose a 20 book). So yea, you can choose what you want which means you can selectively max what you want now to have the books passed sooner and leave one skill "open" for that free 100% book.

@all - Agreed with Tricks. [url=http://maplestory.nexon.net/News/News.aspx?boardNo=100&contentNo=00DWV&pageIndex=1]Nexon[/url] Update is sure to come within March as stated in this Nexon notice. Or so I perceive it to be as such.

@Quaisy2 Why would you rage? Unless you passed ALL your books(Not counting MW and possibly TL), it's awesome. I can ignore Barrage/Snatch(Whichever I choose) and still be able to max them once the revamp comes. I guess it kind of sucks if you already passed all your books, but if you haven't, it's a really big money/time saver since books will skyrocket once the revamp comes and people begin desperately searching for them.

[quote=Tricks122]@Radi As with the Warrior/Archer revamp, I'm fairly certain we'll get the choice of one "special" level 30 mastery book(100% chance) if we are level 120 OR manage to train a Marauder to 120. Chances are you can cross one skill off of the skills you have to get books for.[/quote]

If that happens I will RAGE! I just spent a couple of days getting a SP reset so I could pump points into useless skills just so I can use mastery books on them, and if that happens people will go for Energy Blast making all of the books USELESS >:OOO (And on top of that I forgot that marauders had Stun Mastery so I was like wtf where did these 20 points come from and I maxed Shockwave... but LHC/Zak don't get stunned so it's all good...)

@Radi As with the Warrior/Archer revamp, I'm fairly certain we'll get the choice of one "special" level 30 mastery book(100% chance) if we are level 120 OR manage to train a Marauder to 120. Chances are you can cross one skill off of the skills you have to get books for.