General

All civilzations had a governernment-they had a leader,someone that controlled them. Name a civilization that didn't have any kind of government?

[quote=Randomness411]Government is a way to restrict peoples lives[/quote]
Without government, good luck getting on the Internet... the government enabled the research and development that created the Internet.
Good luck turning on your computer... the government enabled much of the research and development that resulted in today's computers.
Good luck driving to the store on the non-existent roads the government didn't build.
Good luck getting clean water the government didn't provide.
Good luck getting unadulterated food and medicine the government didn't regulate.
Good luck when the neighboring village raids and plunders your commune with their spears and sticks without the government to protect you.

Yeah, government is only there to restrict people's lives.

[quote=Randomness411]You only look from your perspective on the sentences. Look at all of them I'll help.
Take the phrase "No child left behind". You can interpret it as is said or you can look at it in another way and come up with "No child let ahead"[/quote]

Am I the only one who found this statement to be something you'd find at the current RNC? xD (Keep in mind that my political information is filled by The Daily Show and The Colbert Report)

Hmm, societies are created for the overall protection of those within said societies. Without a stable government, another form similar to it will rise because it seems to be human nature. If not, people will just live, and people will kill other people.

Now what I posit for a society is one that destroys all guns and goes back to the days of the sword. Now there's a government I'd follow.

i thought they all had some form of leadership, like
the strongest man=leadet of group, a captain, chief etc

[quote=Silvrspeed]@Randomness411: That's what you want to believe, but it's wrong. Let's say a baby wants to dip some chips into a whole bottle of Tabasco sauce. It tastes good, doesn't it? But is it the best for him? I'm pretty sure someone responsible will stop him.

What I'm trying to say is, people are not without flaw, as you have stated earlier. However, there are people out there who have been through many similar experiences as you have, and know what's best. This could include Maplestory. Let's say you want to dupe an item that someone kept shouting in FM. There are people who have been previously scammed and can prove that it won't work. Then would you still doubt them and do as you please, or be ignorant and lose everything in the end?[/quote]

Is it truly better to take ones advice rather than trying something out yourself and learning the consequences on your own? Or is it better to be ignorant to the consequences and just end up with an excuse such as "It's wrong because someone told me it is." Humans need to discover things on there own to truly be looked at as a guidance in ones life

@Randomness411: Is this a half full half empty type argument? I'm kind of confused.

I'll continue on the chaos part without being an asshole.
We should not let chaos become the norm, making chaos the norm won't fix anything.
Your idea just defeats the entire purpose of government instead of coming up* with a better idea.

[quote=ThatBox]Most human civilizations had a rule system or government system of some sort.

Government is a way to keep people in check. We wouldn't need government if everyone was perfect, but we are far from it.

Government isn't the best at containing chaos, but it certainly prevents lots of chaos.

So by allowing chaos, we will make chaos go away because it won't be chaos anymore?

Seriously?

I really got a good laugh out of reading this.[/quote]

You only look from your perspective on the sentences. Look at all of them I'll help.
Take the phrase "No child left behind". You can interpret it as is said or you can look at it in another way and come up with "No child let ahead"

Surviving isn't as relevant as growth, though. All the major areas of human growth and development have occurred during periods of government growth in one form or another. So, I guess if you feel the pinnacle of Humanity is when it was shackled by it's lack of cohesion, then sure. I guess this is relevant.

[quote=Randomness411]That human civilization survived longer without government than it has with it?[/quote]

Most human civilizations had a rule system or government system of some sort.

[quote=Randomness411]Government is a way to restrict peoples lives to what "society" wants, although "society" is usually headed by one person or a group of individuals.[/quote]
Government is a way to keep people in check. We wouldn't need government if everyone was perfect, but we are far from it.

[quote=Randomness411]Government is a fools way to try to contain chaos; however without government there would be no such thing as chaos.[/quote]

Government isn't the best at containing chaos, but it certainly prevents lots of chaos.
[quote=Randomness411]Because without law and order (which is imposed by the government) everything would be chaotic, and therefore with everything being chaotic; chaos would not exist because it is the norm.

The same way we do not consider killing chickens for food as a bad thing because society accepts it.[/quote]

So by allowing chaos, we will make chaos go away because it won't be chaos anymore?

Seriously?

I really got a good laugh out of reading this. The ending just really doesn't make sense. I apologize for being rude but it just doesn't. >.<

[quote=Silvrspeed]@Randomness411: You've pretty much exposed yourself vulnerable. You claimed to not be a liable person, YET you don't try to fix your flaws. You're not smart enough? Then why not give EFFORT to be smarter? See, your ignorance and being intolerable of not being lazy is why people are disagreeing with you.[/quote]

Please try reading. I said that "it's not that I'm not smart enough" meaning I am smart enough but that is not the reason
And I'm not the kind of person to change my ways because of others views on me. I know me and I know what is best for me, not you, not the government, not anyone else other than me.

@MegaSonic Society is the specific generation of human civilization.
Human civilization is the entire existence of humans.
Like I said I need to go prove something so Snovvy can take over this thread and turn it into a pot debate or something.

@Randomness411:

the defintion of human civilization is "The process by which a society or place reaches this stage."

society and human civilization go hand in hand

[quote=Silvrspeed]@Randomness411: "What I say is the truth." -- yet another opinion.
ok mr. randomhouse, why not just overthrow the government? People, in actuality, have more power than the govt, yet they allow themselves to be ruled. I mean, why don't you try to lead this nation if you have the skills?[/quote]

First off it's not an opinion if it is true.
Also I wouldn't be able to run the government in almost any country is not because I'm not smart enough but because I'm not a likable person and my policies would be very counter society.

[quote=MegaSonic]why do you say that like our current civilzation has died

to my knowledge, im pretty sure our society is still living, you cant say society without government survived longer than a pro government society, todays society is still living and has not yet ceased, ergo you cant make that justification

if anything, the reason why the past society died out was because it had no government[/quote]

You may interpret it like that but that is not what I said at all because our society and human existence is still intact; and I am bound to only tell truth.
To all your other reasons; I said human civilization- not society.

I'm done posting for the night, I usually dedicate this time to searching for a mathematical equation that proves the futility in living, I've already found one that mathematically PROVES that negative things outweigh positive things, so I'm sure an equation exists for the futility of living.

PM me and I'll show you the equation and I'll show you it in real life application. (the positive<negative equation)

[quote=Randomness411]That human civilization survived longer without government than it has with it? [/quote]

why do you say that like our current civilzation has died

to my knowledge, im pretty sure our society is still living, you cant say society without government survived longer than a pro government society, todays society is still living and has not yet ceased, ergo you cant make that justification

if anything, the reason why the past society died out was because it had no government

[quote=Silvrspeed]@Randomness411: "Government is a fools way to try to contain chaos." --there's one.[/quote]

Oh is it? Everyone alive is a fool; even me. The only way to truly contain chaos is set up a law and order system which is maintained by government.
I.E. what I say is the truth

@EddyKorea Not true at all; I would propose a more effective system that starts in education.
Teach kids the meaning of truth and life and how valuable it is to those who possess it, and anyone who does not finish all courses is eliminated.
With a strong funded education crime and arsonists would all but disappear; although my idea may seem VERY illogical and cruel to societies views. You cannot argue that it would not solve the problem at hand.

I say follow the path of the dinosaurs. They survived past the millions, and were struggling in the thousands...

[quote=Silvrspeed]@Randomness411: it's not the truth. It's your opinion that you think your "truth" is the real deal. heck, you should rule the world if you can.[/quote]

Ok, name one thing in my thread that was opinion based. We have seen all of the things happen first hand or second hand in civilizations and mankind in general, whether they're ancient or modern.

[quote=Silvrspeed]I'd have to disagree. We just need the people who are actually willing to do their jobs properly until their terms end.[/quote]

Disagree with what.. truth? Everything I have said in my thread is not a matter of opinion but rather truth.

[quote=cashmoneyinfini]Do people really feel as oppressed as he does?

Or maybe he's a stoner who wants to do so without getting in trouble.[/quote]

I'm not oppressed in any way, I think government is a good idea; however I'm not going to let my views get in the way of truth.

@EddyKorea : You can compare that to America; only about 50 people are truly making the decisions of the parties

Do people really feel as oppressed as he does?

Or maybe he's a stoner who wants to do so without getting in trouble.

[quote=opmeTK]Without government, people would do whatever they wanted.

Atleast with one, there is somewhat of a civil plan...

No matter how chaotic the norm would be, it would still be chaos because we already know the normal as it is now.[/quote]

But without government "civil" wouldn't exist because nothing would be civil; so everything would be civil.

And people knowing the norm would only hold up for one or two generations until chaos became the new norm.