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@sparkshooter: still though its being off topic . Just saying though.

@Whimp okay and I apologize for you, @sparkshooter and @Gummybearwizard for further derailing the topic from what the thread starter had intended for. A controversial topic though is hard to resist for some. Let me just say though my posts were not to insult or bash others for there views. it was merely to express my view point on why I believe you were wrong for what you posted.

@Whimp: You have a right to your opinion but the way you went about it was not right. Stating someone that they are hating and basically saying they are jealous that they couldn't do that themselves. Is just asking for an argument to happen. If you said this post instead of what you posted earlier. None of this would had happen.

@Omniscient1 No, I haven't been nearly as bad as you were. I 'm trying to restore the thread's value, while you are probably going to argue until the other side either agress with you, or quits responding.

@Gummybearwizard: I wasn't talking about you about the mocking part. That part about the mocking and being arrogant was to the other person @Whimp who replied. You indirectly were praising how botting/hacking was acceptable by stating that it's harmless act and shouldn't be a big issue.

@sparkshooter True, I did get a bit overheated but it was a controversial remark and most of the time when something is controversial it will get a reply toward it. Oh yea she may have been defending her friend but in a bad way by mocking that person. Stating how they are hatin and jealous and what not. That is insulting the other person you do know. Also you been off topic as well derailing the TS topic too. So I guess we are all hypocrites here.

[quote=Omniscient1]@sparkshooter: No, not really when someone is starting to mock others and to praise botting/hacking like it's something to be admired about. if they just said that topic is not relevant to this thread. Then i wouldn't have said anything but when someone says to stop hatin and basically praises bots and hacking. Then that's basically asking someone to reply back. Obviously they wanted someone to reply back otherwise they wouldn't have been so arrogant like that. It be like if someone stated that it's because so so was racist. Then someone else replied back praising racism and how that that person is hatin for calling them out. Those type of comments are just provoking more of the topic to be derailed. My points may have been off topic as well but it was more or less trying to point out what they are saying was dumb.[/quote]

All I said was it's not relevant with a few reasons why. I wasn't even praising hacking, just not complaining about it.
Mocking? I didn't mock anyone initially at all.
Own up to your actions man.

@Omniscient1: I wouldn't say that it was dumb, but rather, just controversial. No one was being arrogant here, she was just defending her friend, who was being insulted. You, on the other hand, just so strongly dislike people being praised that you couldn't control yourself from announcing it. Either way, we're all going to get suspended for this anyway.

@sparkshooter: No, not really when someone is starting to mock others and to praise botting/hacking like it's something to be admired about. if they just said that topic is not relevant to this thread. Then i wouldn't have said anything but when someone says to stop hatin and basically praises bots and hacking. Then that's basically asking someone to reply back. Obviously they wanted someone to reply back otherwise they wouldn't have been so arrogant like that. It be like if someone stated that it's because so so was racist. Then someone else replied back praising racism and how that that person is hatin for calling them out. Those type of comments are just provoking more of the topic to be derailed. My points may have been off topic as well but it was more or less trying to point out what they are saying was dumb.

@Omniscient1: It's pretty much assumed/obvious that making completely irrelevant posts ruins threads. I admire that you refuse to let your opinion be unmentioned, but can't you practice a little self control?

[quote=sparkshooter]@Omniscient1:
So since someone started a little off topic, it's automatically a green light to start diverging into a full on irrelevant post? You already agreed that you were ruining the thread with non-related arguments.[/quote]

Since when did I say I agreed with derailing the topic? I agreed that the topic was uncalled for and irrelevant. Not that the thread was being ruined by my posts. As I said in my last post what sparked me to reply was one person being arrogant and stating how what he did was an achievement. Then mocking them for calling them out for it and being very arrogant about it. if someone stating something that stupid. Then I will reply back to it. I wasn't even looking for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out how there are flaws into there arguments since the topic has already been derailed already by 3 other people.

@Omniscient1:
So since someone started a little off topic, it's automatically a green light to start diverging into a full on irrelevant post? You already agreed that you were ruining the thread with non-related arguments.

@sparkshooter: lol since the new discussion already began? i was just pointing out why it's silly for people to praise these hackers/botters and also mocking that person for stating something. Also i wasn't going say anything until that person started to say dumb things like "quit hating because you couldn't do what he did." You can't help but reply back to someone with that type of arrogance.

[quote=Omniscient1]They are both against the terms and both are bannable offense. To you that is harmless bc you don't see the long-run damage it can do to the game. If everyone just botted since it was "harmless" you know how much crap this game will be in? Far worse than it is now. There will be no point in leveling up(not like it has a point now, but with botting legal it be pointless all together.) and the economy would just be plain garbage. That's one of the reasons why no gaming company accepts botters and bans them for doing so. As it screws up the game in multiple ways. Breaking the terms is breaking the terms. it doesn't matter if one is "softer" than the other is. They still kill the game eventually. Making a thread and congratulating the guy on hacking to 250. That's just messed up. Calling that an achievement is messed up since that is not an achievement at all. You should be prepared for people to bash you if you decide to break the terms. Since you are breaking the rules. If you want to cheat then go ahead but don't complain if someone calls you out for it.

The one thing I agree with on though is that person bringing up xkissable was irrelevant and uncalled for. Since that was off topic. However, that still doesn't take away the fact that I agree with the reason of her post.

@Gummybearwizard Some of the terms are silly and I do agree with you that my name is against the terms. I am in no way defending my name though. If I were to be banned for my name or someone made a thread stating that my name was against the terms. Then I would deal with it since it is against the terms. Going back to botting though. Botting for levels is hurting the game as it takes away the whole point of leveling up in the first place. What's the point of getting to 250 if you're just going get a program to do that for you? You might as well not play at all or have a friend play for you since you're not doing anything yourself. I also agree with the fact that Nexon is half assing there terms themselves. Especially when they unban almost all hackers from that stupid second chance event. That doesn't take away the fact though that hacking or botting or w/e is still against the rules and should not be treated differently since one is "softer" than the other. Trust me if they made botting legit in this game. The game would be in far more garbage than it is now. You may not see any harm in it but it is very harmful in the long run of the game. That's why it's illegal to do so.[/quote]
If you agree that your comment is irrelevant to the topic, why do you insist on degrading the thread?
OT: School, work, quit.

[quote=Gummybearwizard]@billyang: I'm not saying where I personally draw the line is a standard everyone should follow, but you just don't bring up someone's name and go on about the worse hacks when that's not the issue, that's not what they do at all. No one should bring up the old community and get all nostalgic about it like number 4 is gms is the reason everything's "worse".

If you want to complain about what the worse hackers did to maplestory that's your prerogative, go make a thread instead of complaining on irrelevant ones, but the person using small harmless macros should not be lumped in.[/quote]

They are both against the terms and both are bannable offense. To you that is harmless bc you don't see the long-run damage it can do to the game. If everyone just botted since it was "harmless" you know how much crap this game will be in? Far worse than it is now. There will be no point in leveling up(not like it has a point now, but with botting legal it be pointless all together.) and the economy would just be plain garbage. That's one of the reasons why no gaming company accepts botters and bans them for doing so. As it screws up the game in multiple ways. Breaking the terms is breaking the terms. it doesn't matter if one is "softer" than the other is. They still kill the game eventually. Making a thread and congratulating the guy on hacking to 250. That's just messed up. Calling that an achievement is messed up since that is not an achievement at all. You should be prepared for people to bash you if you decide to break the terms. Since you are breaking the rules. If you want to cheat then go ahead but don't complain if someone calls you out for it.

The one thing I agree with on though is that person bringing up xkissable was irrelevant and uncalled for. Since that was off topic. However, that still doesn't take away the fact that I agree with the reason of her post.

@Gummybearwizard Some of the terms are silly and I do agree with you that my name is against the terms. I am in no way defending my name though. If I were to be banned for my name or someone made a thread stating that my name was against the terms. Then I would deal with it since it is against the terms. Going back to botting though. Botting for levels is hurting the game as it takes away the whole point of leveling up in the first place. What's the point of getting to 250 if you're just going get a program to do that for you? You might as well not play at all or have a friend play for you since you're not doing anything yourself. I also agree with the fact that Nexon is half assing there terms themselves. Especially when they unban almost all hackers from that stupid second chance event. That doesn't take away the fact though that hacking or botting or w/e is still against the rules and should not be treated differently since one is "softer" than the other. Trust me if they made botting legit in this game. The game would be in far more garbage than it is now. You may not see any harm in it but it is very harmful in the long run of the game. That's why it's illegal to do so.

@billyang: I'm not saying where I personally draw the line is a standard everyone should follow, but you just don't bring up someone's name and go on about the worse hacks when that's not the issue, that's not what they do at all. No one should bring up the old community and get all nostalgic about it like number 4 is gms is the reason everything's "worse".

If you want to complain about what the worse hackers did to maplestory that's your prerogative, go make a thread instead of complaining on irrelevant ones, but the person using small harmless macros should not be lumped in.

@Omniscient1
It's not like stealing a game. Nothing of any actual value in any sense was taken. There's plently of ways to hack to gain value in maplestory. Levels is not one of them that would fit in your analogy. I'd say more like hacking for mesos vs hacking accounts would fit better.
Just stop throwing around deflation and such like he's botting for mesos and such too. That's not it at all.
If you want to bring in the tos, sure. Your ign doesn't follow the strict name rules in the tos. Shame on you for not following the tos. Such foul names are ruining the community in the long run, blah blah blah.

Maybe people would take the tos seriously if nexon followed even half of it and didn't have silly clauses.

@Gummybearwizard: So what are you saying is basically stating that stealing a product from a store is not as bad as stealing money from someone. Granted that point is a bit extreme and that's about real life and this is about a game. However, the point doesn't really make a difference as the point is two wrongs don't make a right. Stating someone is just botting isn't hurting the game is just as dumb as praising someone who dc hacks or exploits the game. Reason is both are against the terms and can get you banned for doing so. Also the fact that they both end up hurting the game in different ways. One just hurts the game more so than the other does. Botting hurts the game by messing up with how the game is suppose to be played. You're taking advantage of leveling too fast or farming for items at an abnormal rate. To where the economy goes to crap by deflation. Exploiting the game or dc hacking is taking advantage in a much more horrid way but are both relatively the same thing. You see what I am saying?

I can care less to be honest on what you do with your game or hackers in general. What you choose to do is fine. What is annoying though is how you are stating that botting isn't doing anything wrong, or even going as far as praising them for doing so. Then attacking others who decide to attack the botter. If you hack fine but don't get upset at others for bashing you for hacking or in this case bashing xkissable for botting. Since they know the consequences of what they are doing and therefore should be able to deal with the comments being stated. Not everyone should be praising hackers/botters just because it's not as bad as some other hacks. Both are wrong things to do. Just because something is less of a game breaker doesn't mean that it's okay to do so.

[quote=Gummybearwizard]With what you've said it seems to me like you're all about the nostalgia and taking things personal with your need to bring it up in irrelevant threads and getting so worked up.

Not every hack is equal! I'm not praising a huge dupper, mass meso botter or someone who's dc locking a lot of big players (this is semi public and very much an issue).These are the people that make nexon change the availabilty of things, take down the game for unscheduled maintenances and such. This was simple, and not hurting much of anyone in the long run. If you want to say that he's that level of hacker, please present that evidence or stop complaining about things not even relevant.[/quote]

I think the issue here is that you seem to be under the impression that there's somewhere you have to draw the line, and that's where hacks go from okay to not okay. The thing is though, this has nothing to do with nostalgia and your opinion certainly isn't the deciding factor on whether this hack or that hack is acceptable. Hacking is cheating, no one is saying all hacks are equal, but that doesn't make using it okay.

[quote=Omniscient1]How can people defend hackers so much. It amazes me because there was a time when hackers were seen as something horrible. Everyone knew that hackers ruined the game. If you hacked you were not allowed in the major guilds, you were not allowed to do any type of bossing expeditions, etc. Now its like that community got kicked out of the game, and now the community that's left praises hackers and defends them like they are the ones that keep this game going. When in fact hackers are one of the major reasons why this population is gone to pieces. The other part is Nexon high p2w crap but the other part is due to hackers exploits. imo there no other gaming community that praises hackers so much. Most people despise hackers and exploits in all other games since those are the ones that kill the game. I guess majority of people in this game praise hackers so much since they too hack and if someone gets bashed. They take it personal.[/quote]

With what you've said it seems to me like you're all about the nostalgia and taking things personal with your need to bring it up in irrelevant threads and getting so worked up.

Not every hack is equal! I'm not praising a huge dupper, mass meso botter or someone who's dc locking a lot of big players (this is semi public and very much an issue).These are the people that make nexon change the availabilty of things, take down the game for unscheduled maintenances and such. This was simple, and not hurting much of anyone in the long run. If you want to say that he's that level of hacker, please present that evidence or stop complaining about things not even relevant.

@billyang: I dont really mind hackers. I had friends that were hackers. I don't bash them for hacking or tell them not to hack. it's there life they can do what they want but what is annoying is when people praise them. Then mock others who don't hack for being "jealous" or something. Then congratulating them for cheating to max level and what not. If they want to hack fine but don't act like it something to be proud of or mock others who don't hack. I am not one of those nostalgia people but the thing that bothers me the most is how much the community changed from being upset at hackers. To hacking themselves or praising hackers even if they ruin the game. I mean exploits came about just now and tons of downtime and bans had happen. Yet people are still praising hackers for what they do now. That's just messed up.

[quote=Omniscient1]How can people defend hackers so much. It amazes me because there was a time when hackers were seen as something horrible. Everyone knew that hackers ruined the game. If you hacked you were not allowed in the major guilds, you were not allowed to do any type of bossing expeditions, etc. Now its like that community got kicked out of the game, and now the community that's left praises hackers and defends them like they are the ones that keep this game going. When in fact hackers are one of the major reasons why this population is gone to pieces. The other part is Nexon high p2w crap but the other part is due to hackers exploits. imo there no other gaming community that praises hackers so much. Most people despise hackers and exploits in all other games since those are the ones that kill the game. I guess majority of people in this game praise hackers so much since they too hack and if someone gets bashed. They take it personal.[/quote]

It's okay, take it easy. Anyone who defends hackers either benefit from hacker friends, or are hackers themselves and are too childish to care about anything besides competing with others to take it far enough to cheat to do it. There's no point in trying to talk morality with people like that.
It's kind of like playing a card game with your friends, and you always win because you cheat to do it, but then eventually your friends will find out and never play with you again. Except in maplestory, everyone is behind computer screens and no one sees anyone else, so they don't treat other players like people just because they can't see them and will do anything for selfish gain.

The summer months that were supposed to bring people back only did so for about a month and a half, because Nexon screwed over the coin events. Bingo isn't fun. Scrounging for coins isn't fun. So people left super early this summer -- we're talking, August barely starting and people already uninstalling and vanishing.

Now we're into September. We know school's started; that's always a big population killer. On top of that, Nexon's banned anyone who so much as purchased exploited cubes, meaning all those players are gone, along with their close friends who likely quit because, really, why play this game when your best friend is banned? So that's another strike for the population. Add to that the total lack of stimulating content, and yeah. There you have it. Nobody's gonna buy NX to keep a shop online in a dead game.

@prietajones: No one is legit in this game anymore. I don't really care about hackers but what annoys me is how people praise them so much now. Like they are Gods or something. Then defend them and congrats them for reaching max level when in fact it isn't an achievement at all. If you hack or your friends hack. Then go right ahead. More power to you but don't defend it like it's something special, or congrats them for reaching 250 since what they done isn't an achievement.

[quote=Gummybearwizard]How is the xkissablex3 thing even relevant? No one was banned in that, the economy did not take a hit because of it, and if that's what makes you quit good riddance. There's way worse flaws in the game to make a point of (and way worse hacks too).

School just started, people will be focusing on it for a while longer at least.[/quote]

How can people defend hackers so much. It amazes me because there was a time when hackers were seen as something horrible. Everyone knew that hackers ruined the game. If you hacked you were not allowed in the major guilds, you were not allowed to do any type of bossing expeditions, etc. Now its like that community got kicked out of the game, and now the community that's left praises hackers and defends them like they are the ones that keep this game going. When in fact hackers are one of the major reasons why this population is gone to pieces. The other part is Nexon high p2w crap but the other part is due to hackers exploits. imo there no other gaming community that praises hackers so much. Most people despise hackers and exploits in all other games since those are the ones that kill the game. I guess majority of people in this game praise hackers so much since they too hack and if someone gets bashed. They take it personal.

[quote=Xugnacious]bounty hunter exploiter get banned? one man who filmed xkissed hack to 250 with amount of well known scanians? that's possible[/quote]
How is the xkissablex3 thing even relevant? No one was banned in that, the economy did not take a hit because of it, and if that's what makes you quit good riddance. There's way worse flaws in the game to make a point of (and way worse hacks too).

School just started, people will be focusing on it for a while longer at least.

[quote=Whimp]How is that even relevant? ... it's just a game. Quit hatin cuz you couldn't do what he did.[/quote]

hacking to 250 is an achievement? No wonder everyone quitting MS. The community is garbage now. People who start thinking that hackers are gods an what not is killing the game.

shops are better and school. You won't be playing maplestory the rest of your life, gotta get the money for the honeys afterall.

Thats because everyone is in their shops, if you look the entire first channel of shops (room 1 - 22) are completely full and overflows into channel 2

It just happens. I think this is around the average population in the FM. The past few weeks have just been really densely populated for some reason.

Most likely school....since most people are gone the entire day lol...that and nexon went on a ban spree so it should change much until the 1st batch are unbanned in a month or so

Back then, it was fun ksing hackers. You know who you are. I follow then all day until they log off. It was only fun to ks them cause when you did not have mesos that was the fastest way. You just bother the heck out of them and maybe they might get banned too. Now it is less fun because mostly everything is useless and cheap. Hackers are free to hack but stay away from my ch 18.

[quote=Whimp]@Xugnacious: well someone's hatin. Move on. [/quote]

what did i just say? kys......... grow your pairs. smfh

[quote=Whimp]How is that even relevant? ... it's just a game. Quit hatin cuz you couldn't do what he did.[/quote]

I hate and I couldn't do what he did? just.....kys

Probably school. Anyways be really smart about buying things. Everything should be getting cheaper as less people play because less buyers. Save your mesos. As always

dont use nx. Max 10k nx a year.

bounty hunter exploiter get banned? one man who filmed xkissed hack to 250 with amount of well known scanians? that's possible