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No they all copied Nexon who had the Headless Horseman who looks really familiar.

/sarcasm

._. smh

@Fusionpressure: You got proof? No.
IceFrog didn't ask Guinsoo for any sort of approval, because none of the heroes from 'ALLSTARS' belonged to guinsoo bar 2 or 3. The rest was community made. I think you're confusing Guinsoo with Eul.
EUL created DotA. Not Guinsoo.

Guinsoo just took 'everyones' different DotA heroes and put them all into 1 map called DotA Allstars v3.00 and he continued the series till the 5.xx era. But even then, DotA didn't have the 'charm' of today's DotA as Guinsoo never really had a knack for invention. Most of his items/heroes introduced were really bland and boring. Infact here is a list of heroes introduced under Guinsoo's control: Tidehunter in the 5.74 version. In the 5.75 version that followed it, Ursa Warrior and Atropos were introduced. 5.76 introduced Keeper of the Light, Tinker, Ogre Magi and Sand King. That's it. 7 heroes out of 100+ were created by guinsoo.

IceFrog would have needed to ask 'Eul' for permission, but Eul and Icefrog are working together on Dota2 at Valve, so, yeah.

Ohhh, Hecarim is a demon horse! I though he was a demon guy with a crab body.

Errr I wouldn't care considering Riot copies plenty of people. Seems legit to me.

[quote=RJustice]How bout no? Only 1 designer from the original mod works on LoL. The other guy just made a website for it.

And Dota2 is called Dota2 because it's a sequal for the first one, thus having similar designs. Some heroes (example bloodseeker, and juggernaut) who were forced to use crappy models in DotA due to WC3 limitations got completely revamped with models of how IceFrog envisioned them.

Or "dude did you see that dota2 hero? It has the exact same skill as ___ champ omg dota sucks lolol"

Example of someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

You're right. Everything in LoL is 100% unique. Oh let's not forget Riot announcing 5million dollar tournament 2 weeks after Dota2 International finished ($1mill prize)

The Dota2 one has been in the game for about 2 months now, what are you talking about?
The models are strikingly similar no? And it seems the new champ also has a similar skillset, but I can't confirm that.
I agree that 1 is a cent and the other is a flying alienish thing, but Riot had to use the same 'portrait' design, and a similar figure for ingame as well?[/quote]

Icefrog took over allstars from Guinsoo, but Icefrog still in the end asked Guinsoo if he could use some of the character concepts for Dota2 therefor acknowledging that Guinsoo has as much legitimate claim to the characters that he does.

Next time you wanna talk about the devs, atleast have played and known about DOTA.

Don't really care. LoL has more interesting players TSM TOO <3

People have the same ideas. People copy each other.

Get over it.

And then everyone forgets Heroes of Newerth.

[i]League of Bads[/i]

[quote=zezaru][url=http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/File:Launch_banner_-_Drow_Ranger.jpg]Ohhh, Valve copying Riot. Drow Ranger is a total copy of Ashe who was released in like, 2009.[/url]

....Ohhh, DotA 2 is copying Wizards of the Coast by using Drow in their game!@!

Here's what I think of the TS: Hurrrr....Durrr....[/quote]

http://www.playdota.com/heroes/drow-ranger

[quote=RJustice]Riot makes it too obvious. It's alright that they copy DotA/Dota2, but then when they throw it out as '100% unique content' it sickens me
Oh and this Hecarim dude has skills copied off of Dota's SpiritBreaker.

edit: And let's be completely honest. You're telling me Riot announcing their tourney less than 2 weeks after International just a coincidence?[/quote]
I think you trying to put significance on the tournament is foolish. You're pretty much saying that because DotA had a tournament (that finished 2 weeks ago if I understand correctly), Riot should no longer be able to announce their own tournaments for fear of "copying" DotA? And now you're trying to say that this new champion half copies 2 different ones. I really don't think Riot should have to check all their champion artwork to make sure it isn't similar to DotA, and I feel to assume that they actually aimed for anything more just becomes seeing what you want to see. The two games were always supposed to be similar, I don't see the purpose of getting all mad when they do end up similar.

[quote=LowWillpower]Now you're just really reaching for points... Did you guys know that DotA rips off Counter Strike because they have tournaments and so does DotA!

The portrait designs are similar, but the in-game looks pretty different to me. They are about the same shape/size, but that's it. Different colours, different patterns, different everything really.

I just find this thread really useless. You could go around looking for likewise similarities in like every game of similar genres, and probably find them.[/quote]

Riot makes it too obvious. It's alright that they copy DotA/Dota2, but then when they throw it out as '100% unique content' it sickens me
Oh and this Hecarim dude has skills copied off of Dota's SpiritBreaker.

edit: And let's be completely honest. You're telling me Riot announcing their tourney less than 2 weeks after International just a coincidence?

[quote=RJustice]
You're right. Everything in LoL is 100% unique. Oh let's not forget Riot announcing 5million dollar tournament 2 weeks after Dota2 International finished ($1mill prize)[/quote]
Now you're just really reaching for points... Did you guys know that DotA rips off Counter Strike because they have tournaments and so does DotA!

[quote=RJustice]The Dota2 one has been in the game for about 2 months now, what are you talking about?
The models are strikingly similar no? And it seems the new champ also has a similar skillset, but I can't confirm that.
I agree that 1 is a cent and the other is a flying alienish thing, but Riot had to use the same 'portrait' design, and a similar figure for ingame as well?[/quote]
The portrait designs are similar, but the in-game looks pretty different to me. They are about the same shape/size, but that's it. Different colours, different patterns, different everything really.

I just find this thread really useless. You could go around looking for likewise similarities in like every game of similar genres, and probably find them.

[quote=kirbybbb]Doesn't Blizzard make Dota instead of valve?[/quote]

Yep, and I'm superman

[quote=Fusionpressure]"Riot Copies Valve once again"

You do know that Riot and Valve both have people who were originally working on the WC3 mod correct? Both were probably inspired by a dota hero and decided to make it.

I checked the list of heroes for Dota2 and straight away I can list a few that are practically carbon copied right from dota without much design change.
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How bout no? Only 1 designer from the original mod works on LoL. The other guy just made a website for it.

And Dota2 is called Dota2 because it's a sequal for the first one, thus having similar designs. Some heroes (example bloodseeker, and juggernaut) who were forced to use crappy models in DotA due to WC3 limitations got completely revamped with models of how IceFrog envisioned them.

[quote=IdkMaiName]What I hate more is calling a poser 'original'.
Whenever I hear someone saying LoL came out first before DotA, I would punch him.[/quote]

Or "dude did you see that dota2 hero? It has the exact same skill as ___ champ omg dota sucks lolol"

[quote=qwedsa87]Fairly sure Valve doesn't have much control over DoTA2 design wise.. The have the engine + servers.[/quote]

Example of someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

[quote=Sirenize]riot never copied valve, you're pretty stupid ts[/quote]

You're right. Everything in LoL is 100% unique. Oh let's not forget Riot announcing 5million dollar tournament 2 weeks after Dota2 International finished ($1mill prize)

[quote=LowWillPower]One flies and the other is a centaur. You're just looking for reasons to hate on LoL now. I don't see how somewhat similar champions (who aren't released in either game) means that they are copying one another. They are such similar games, don't be so surprised when they look kinda similar. Even then, it's not like they look the exact same.[/quote]

The Dota2 one has been in the game for about 2 months now, what are you talking about?
The models are strikingly similar no? And it seems the new champ also has a similar skillset, but I can't confirm that.
I agree that 1 is a cent and the other is a flying alienish thing, but Riot had to use the same 'portrait' design, and a similar figure for ingame as well?

One flies and the other is a centaur. You're just looking for reasons to hate on LoL now. I don't see how somewhat similar champions (who aren't released in [i]either[/i] game) means that they are copying one another. They are such similar games, don't be so surprised when they look kinda similar. Even then, it's not like they look the exact same.

Outworld Destroyer is the Obsidian Destroyer from WC3
Hecarim (LoL champion) is a centaur

Fairly sure Valve doesn't have much control over DoTA2 design wise.. The have the engine + servers.

[quote=Fusionpressure]"Riot Copies Valve once again"

You do know that Riot and Valve both have people who were originally working on the WC3 mod correct? Both were probably inspired by a dota hero and decided to make it.

Dota2 seems to straight copy right from dota though, but Icefrog can do as he wants.[/quote]

DotA 2 is supposed to be a straight copy of DotA.

LoL is supposed to be a completely different game.

What I hate more is calling a poser 'original'.
Whenever I hear someone saying LoL came out first before DotA, I would punch him.

[quote=Cawickeng]Is that a new LoL champ?[/quote]

No, it's the new Maple Story class.

Is that a new LoL champ?

I don't know about you guys but the dota2 hero reminds me of maokai for some reason

[quote=Fusionpressure]No,no,no I mean design wise.

I checked the list of heroes for Dota2 and straight away I can list a few that are practically carbon copied right from dota without much design change.
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They just re designed the heroes to fit in dota2. Most of them have the exactly same kit and system.

Edit: Does anyone have an extra dota2 beta key for me?

[quote=LEGENDairy]@Fusionpressure: I think that was kind of the point, Icefrog and Valve both wanted to move DotA away from the WC3 engine while still keeping it true to the Dota game/map as close as possible..of course, they had to remove all references to WC3.[/quote]

No,no,no I mean design wise.

I checked the list of heroes for Dota2 and straight away I can list a few that are practically carbon copied right from dota without much design change.

But I guess Icefrog wants to make it as true to the original as possible, where as Riot wants to do something more unique.

The concept is extremely common already.

@Fusionpressure: I think that was kind of the point, Icefrog and Valve both wanted to move DotA away from the WC3 engine while still keeping it true to the Dota game/map as close as possible..of course, they had to remove all references to WC3.

"Riot Copies Valve once again"

You do know that Riot and Valve both have people who were originally working on the WC3 mod correct? Both were probably inspired by a dota hero and decided to make it.

Dota2 seems to straight copy right from dota though, but Icefrog can do as he wants.