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[quote=GeneralStore]Nope, I never quoted him or engaged in an argument with him as far as I remember, just lurked around these sections for a while. He could probably confirm if you want... if you are not him already o.o He also seems to be missing from the rankings for some reason.

Your words speak for themselves so I have nothing to add here. I'll let this thread die again and I will not bother to reply if one of your cronies decides to necro bump this thread again.

Good night.[/quote]

we were not arch nemeses? ;o

OT: i thought heroes > drk?

Nope, I never quoted him or engaged in an argument with him as far as I remember, just lurked around these sections for a while. He could probably confirm if you want... if you are not him already o.o He also seems to be missing from the rankings for some reason.

Your words speak for themselves so I have nothing to add here. I'll let this thread die again and I will not bother to reply if one of your cronies decides to necro bump this thread again.

Good night.

[quote=GeneralStore]I'm not really familiar with you, but your motives are the same, no difference here to me.
Also I suggest you and your friend read up on basil's rule # 8

And that one thumbs up was from me by accident.[/quote]

I despise your tendency judge my personality or motives when you know nothing about me. I posted on this thread with pure good intentions even though I may have had a slight feeling of revengful joy when I first entered the thread. If you seriously consider my comment to have malicious intent in it, then boy you must really have had your ass handed to you by iVege in the past.

[quote=iChosenDream]No son, this ain't Veggie. We swapped our avatars back.
@iVege: Double fool success[/quote]

I'm not really familiar with you, but your motives are the same, no difference here to me.
Also I suggest you and your friend read up on basil's rule # 8

And that one thumbs up was from me by accident.

[quote=GeneralStore]ivege right? No need to bump this thread to spread more hero hate

I'm pretty sure DrKs have been around the top for most of their existence.

OT: The main problem with saders (IMO) isn't damage, but the lack of effort put into them. They have changed little since the days when power strike and slash blast were main attacking skills during third job. So much more could have been done with ACA, but it remains just another uninspired damage booster.[/quote]

No son, this ain't Veggie. We swapped our avatars back.
@iVege: Double fool success

[quote=iChosenDream]Endure it long enough and you'll eventually get buffed. I mean heck look at us. If we could jump from the bottom to the top, I'm pretty sure you can do so eventually.[/quote]

ivege right? No need to bump this thread to spread more hero hate

I'm pretty sure DrKs have been around the top for most of their existence.

OT: The main problem with saders (IMO) isn't damage, but the lack of effort put into them. They have changed little since the days when power strike and slash blast were main attacking skills during third job. So much more could have been done with ACA, but it remains just another uninspired damage booster.

Endure it long enough and you'll eventually get buffed. I mean heck look at us. If we could jump from the bottom to the top, I'm pretty sure you can do so eventually.

Still doesn't make any sense to me why drk/pally have a hell a lot of more survive than us but can still do the same and more dmg than us, makes no sense.

[quote=Dounty]Hero should change it's name to Side-Kick cause the "hero" role now is being carried out by Paladin and Dark Knight.[/quote]

How can you be a Hero when there's thousands of others just like you? Sounds pretty low class to me

[quote=destinygunit]The funny thing is raging blow was suppose to be 328% with enrage on, but they nerfed it down 278% before official release in kms.[/quote]
It's so the Drks and Pallys (pallies?) don't get sad 'cuz we're way better and/or cooler than them

[quote=drgnkid]QQ heroes so weak compared to the other two.. Oh well.[/quote]

It's ok, we'll be their heroes.

The funny thing is raging blow was suppose to be 328% with enrage on, but they nerfed it down 278% before official release in kms.

[quote=Toobe]Well this is true, my lvl 172 Hero outdamaged my lvl 180 Pally at dojo using the same gears. The hero still has yet to get Combo - reinforce and RB - reinforce, while the pally already got all of his 1v1 hyper skills max

But when it comes to training, I would rather remake another Pally, level up to 200 and change back to hero, and it's much faster that way than getting the current hero to 200, how sad...[/quote]

Haha, is training a Hero really that bad? What makes a Paladin any different? Don't their skills practically have the same range?

i've seen sw 2h axes for less than 20m here in broa tbh, so as for cheap, very, who cares about the dmg you dish out when it's cheap and easy 2fund, as soon as a revamp comes around the corner it'll make you topple the others

[quote=SilentLeaf55]After KMS's recent update, even [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=47548&page=44]Dawn Warriors[/url] (although they aren't Explorers), after their buffs, get to outdamage a Hero during their Solunar Time. Don't forget that Dawn Warriors have Elemental Expert as a passive, allowing them to deal 75% of their damage instead of 50% (if it works that way) when against bosses with Physical Resist (before factoring PDR).

Just putting that out there because Heroes should get a buff in the future. KMS even buffed Kaiser's damage in that patch, even if he's already strong.[/quote]

Wow really is that so?:O but i clicked that link where am i suppose to be looking at exactly? Was there updated %s according to the leaf patch?:O
Also is Dawn Warrior and Paladin the best two classes along with Mages able to deal damage to physical resist bosses?
Does this mean Dawn Warriors are a decent bossing class?:O

After KMS's recent update, even [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=47548&page=44]Dawn Warriors[/url] (although they aren't Explorers), after their buffs, get to outdamage a Hero during their Solunar Time. Don't forget that Dawn Warriors have Elemental Expert as a passive, allowing them to deal 75% of their damage instead of 50% (if it works that way) when against bosses with Physical Resist (before factoring PDR).

Just putting that out there because Heroes should get a buff in the future. KMS even buffed Kaiser's damage in that patch, even if he's already strong.

QQ heroes so weak compared to the other two.. Oh well.

Heroes are my favorite class.
Honestly if you enjoy them play it! I don't play for damage, I play for gameplay and uniqueness. Heroes gameplay is just so easy and very straightforward, no clutter and confusion in skills. Heroes are also very unique because of their orbs and class name! I can never play another class.
Hero for life
Also tbh we are not that weak lol. Get to a higher lvl and them check your damage again.

u and ur pride and loyalty to such mediocrity.
leave ur pitiful hovels and join the ranks of the 'DEMON' elite.

slayer or avenger it matters not. all that matters is your desire for POWER and REVENGE.

DK and Paladins are now closer to our damage output and in some cases surpass us but whatever let them enjoy it while it last. Heros are still good so yeah

[quote=HawtPawket]I felt it annoying maintaining stable damage on my hero and switched to pally. Its great.[/quote]

I found it a lot more annoying to maintain stable damage when I switched to a pally.
Switched back to my hero because of it and I haven't regretted it since.

On the contrary, I feel like I do more damage than DKs and Pallies

In terms of bossing at least yes i think but as long as you enjoy the class it's fine!

[quote=ASorryShadow]Damage will always be defined by funding. If you enjoy the class enough you'll work to fund it enough to be better than [b]any[/b] class.[/quote]

This man speaks the truth
choose a play style you like and not what others think is the best. Your favorite class will always be the strongest no matter what.

*bishop walks into warrior thread*

They are sort of weak. But it's ok, numbers will all eventually rise... (I'm only Lv 162 so..yeah)

Heroes gonna get buffed Nexon always realizes when they make Heroes too weak and buff their damage out the wazoo, just give it a patch or two.

Damage will always be defined by funding. If you enjoy the class enough you'll work to fund it enough to be better than [b]any[/b] class.

If you don't like hero play style, then pick a different character if all you want is big numbers.

Well, before RED, especially when Hypers came out for adventurers,
Heroes were pretty darn strong.
Now they've been balanced, so they're not too weak, nor too strong.
They do have less utility than both paladins and Drks though. (Paladins have Bind, Revive, OP defese, Drks have Self-revive upon death and HP Drain)

Still heroes in the end

yeah heros feel weak to me but orbs4lyfe

Well, at least I can destroy Pallies around my funding level at Dojo...

[quote=HawtPawket]I felt it annoying maintaining stable damage on my hero and switched to pally. Its great.[/quote]

You have no dignity, you dirty, disgusting defector. Leave the Hero section now, before I direct you to the door.

I felt it annoying maintaining stable damage on my hero and switched to pally. Its great.

z0mg ITS dOesnT MaTTER If uR HaVIng FuN THOugh DOeS iT z0mg fun=low damage

Well to me they are, people are just gonna deny it.
The only thing I like about mt Hero is the Orbs

heroes are da #1